Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Damn. I thought he'd hurt his knee against the Packers and it looked bad at the time. Not that I want any player to be hurt but I wouldn't be complaining if Maddox missed a couple of games. 

He was shaken up on the one Adams play in the endzone but wasn't serious. He didn't even miss a defensive snap in the whole game. I'd rather see Jacquet take over but he hasn't practice at all this week so he's likely out.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah... this team is already cooked.

I thought the theme of the blog today was to be as overly optimistic as possible

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

Reagor isn't as good as Agholor 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

He was shaken up on the one Adams play in the endzone but wasn't serious. He didn't even miss a defensive snap in the whole game. I'd rather see Jacquet take over but he hasn't practice at all this week so he's likely out.

Fair enough. I'd much prefer to see Jacquet. We know what Maddox is... Useless on the outside but potentially OK in the slot or even at safety. Why this coaching staff fails to see that is beyond us. 

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Right now, Agholor is the better player.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought the theme of the blog today was to be as overly optimistic as possible

It's a delicious looking turkey

I saw the comment yesterday that the pods consensus was Howie stays. Today both Wulf and Kempski turned and said they think he's likely gone. No solid sources or info, but Kempksi said he has talked to some people in the league and they had similar opinions that he will be done. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

McLane has reported it a bunch of times. 

Problem is that many other reporters say that isn’t how the Eagles do their draft board. 

3 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Agree.  Quantitative analysis may have its value.  But using it blindly is a problem.  Drafting is talent evaluation, and we all talk about tangible qualities, on which a number is not an accurate measurement.  Case in point: 40-dash number cannot measure a player's play speed.

Howie needs to pair with a good talent evaluator to do his job, if he still has it. 

Howie needs to be replaced with a good talent evaluator.  Howie has been paired with people in the past, it doesn't work.  Howie has also screwed up the thing that he's supposed to be the best at, which is cap management.  If he can't do the thing he's supposed to be the best at... then why should he get a chance to dig out of the giant hole he created?   

 

Lurie needs to throw a wheelbarrow full of money at a REAL football guy, and the real football guy can hire a money counter UNDER him.  Football decisions > money decisions.  Get me Daniel Jeremiah and/or Louis Riddick.  And let them go get me Joe Brady to fix the offense.  And bring back Pat Shurmur to rebuild Wentz, or Dan Orlovsky as the QB Coach.  And his entire focus will be on the fundamentals.  Go back to the beginning... 

We can rebuild him...

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought the theme of the blog today was to be as overly optimistic as possible

That's optimistic... it looks delicious!

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

Name one single thing about the 2020 Eagles that argues for the retention of Roseman.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there are more questions than answers about Dillard.  I also think his rookie performances even at LT were mixed.  His attitude and performance at RT were problematic.  

His attitude lead to that performance.  Showed a lack of fight.

 

That said, he could still be a good LT.   Shame that in this garbage season, we still know almost nothing about him at LT.  This would have been a very important year for him to get reps and for the team to learn about him.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Nothing beats a slow, short CB with stiff hips and questionable ball skills. 

So he's an upgrade over the current group?  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's a D, because one play doesn't fix everything.   They took a 3rd round pick in 2019 draft (in the low 20s), and turned it into a late 4th round pick (in the late 30s) in the 2020 draft.... for what?   

 

And who's to say that they don't win that game without him... Tate himself had no idea what was going on on that play... and was lucky to turn around and find the ball.   Maybe someone on the field that actually knew what his role was might have had more success... its not like the offense took off when he was added, or he did anything else in that game to help the team.

 

And why the need to bring back Desean?   Because they traded away Torrey Smith - the deep threat from 2017, and they needed to replace him. (and the aging WR they tried to replace him with only played in 1 game - Mike Wallace). So, they decided to try to trade for an even older one, but failed.  So, they bring in Tate, who was NOT the deep threat of either Smith or Desean, but another slot WR... to clog up the middle with Agholor.   Not great roster building... 

I wasn't a fan of them trading away Smith.  I was one of the few (if any) in this blog that was against it and I didn't understand how they couldn't keep him, especially at his cap number.

I was getting responses like, "Not worth the 5 mil cap hit, his production wasn't worth it, etc etc etc"...and I don't remember too many people, "having my back" when I said I didn't get it or that I wanted to have him back.

As for the rest, we've been through it before.  It really depends on how much you value that playoff catch/win and the 4th round comp pick.  I apparently hold it at a higher value and I think the Tate trade was a "lower risk/ok reward" type of deal.   You apparently hated it.  Just agree to disagree on that one. 

 

 

Today's injury report

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I wasn't a fan of them trading away Smith.  I was one of the few (if any) in this blog that was against it and I didn't understand how they couldn't keep him, especially at his cap number.

I was getting responses like, "Not worth the 5 mil cap hit, his production wasn't worth it, etc etc etc"...and I don't remember too many people, "having my back" when I said I didn't get it or that I wanted to have him back.

As for the rest, we've been through it before.  It really depends on how much you value that playoff catch/win and the 4th round comp pick.  I apparently hold it at a higher value and I think the Tate trade was a "lower risk/ok reward" type of deal.   You apparently hated it.  Just agree to disagree on that one. 

 

 

The cap hit of Torrey ($5M) was immediately replaced with the cap hit of Wallace ($4M).  Would have been better to just bring in John Brown instead ($5M in 2018 - Baltimore).  Then they brought in Desean... stupid... at cost over his 2 years here $8.75/year, and Brown's currently $9M/year in Buffalo.   Or, if they had only traded for Desean and not given him the new deal, that money could have been given to Robby Anderson this year.

Tate didn't fit here... didn't know what he was doing on the play that you are claiming was what made the whole deal worthwhile... so, yeah, I hated the deal.  And like I said, its not a matter of one move here or there that Howie has made that's been bad, its been a domino effect of one bad decision leading directly to another bad decision...  Smith out, Wallace in... trade for Tate, restructure Alshon, trade for Desean, resign Desean, can't afford Anderson, can't draft Jefferson, because we "need speed" and can't rely on Jackson and Alshon is hurt and are stuck with both because of their contracts that Howie redid, for no particular need.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I still think lamb has a chance to be the best wr from this class. Before dak got hurt he was on pace for 1385 yards and 7-8 tds. Jefferson is going to come close to that.

That said i thought the three most ready WRs in the draft were jefferson, lamb and jeudy. reagor was never a polished product. It was always going to take time. When you add the pandemic in it was going to take time. I didn’t have a problem with reagor but did just assuming he was going to be ready day one  

however i was not for or against jefferson. I was ok if that’s where they went or didn’t. However i was also one of the few who either trade up for one of the top three if you got good value in a trade up (which didn’t think was realistic) or trade back from 20 cause this team had question marks all over the place and holes. Now maybe they could or couldn’t have traded back but i tend to believe they could’ve have with the guys on the board.  

Everyone who paid attention to the draft, especially the way we did, knew that Jeudy, Lamb and Jefferson were likely the 3 "most NFL ready"...pretty sure most scouts agreed as well.  No one is disputing that.  And most of us knew that Reagor was going to most likely take a "little longer" to peak out at the NFL level.

The Eagles wanted a vertical thread/playmaker and the only other one available was KJ Hamler.  (Jefferson was thought to be more of a classic X and/or slot receiver at the time vs speedy/vertical threat, etc.)

Hamler went in the 2nd round, with the 46th overall pick.  Next to zero chance anyone takes Hamler over Reagor.   Similar WR's but Reagor was the bigger and stronger of the two. 

So fair to say Reagor wouldn't last past the 46th pick. And there were a plethora of rumors saying he would have likely been taken within 10 picks of the Eagles pick. 

The funny thing is that had Henry Ruggs somehow fallen to the Eagles, no one would be talking about Jefferson.  Everyone (and I mean everyone) had Ruggs ahead of Jefferson for the Eagles.

Ruggs has the same exact amount of receptions as Reagor to date (20) albeit for more yards and 1 more TD.....BUT in 3 more games than Reagor. 

And Reagor has a punt return for a TD.

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The funny thing is that had Henry Ruggs somehow fallen to the Eagles, no one would be talking about Jefferson.  Everyone (and I mean everyone) had Ruggs ahead of Jefferson for the Eagles.

Ruggs was a non starter, he was not going to last to the Eagles pick.  

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Everyone who paid attention to the draft, especially the way we did, knew that Jeudy, Lamb and Jefferson were likely the 3 "most NFL ready"...pretty sure most scouts agreed as well.  No one is disputing that.  And most of us knew that Reagor was going to most likely take a "little longer" to peak out at the NFL level.

The Eagles wanted a vertical thread/playmaker and the only other one available was KJ Hamler.  (Jefferson was thought to be more of a classic X and/or slot receiver at the time vs speedy/vertical threat, etc.)

Hamler went in the 2nd round, with the 46th overall pick.  Next to zero chance anyone takes Hamler over Reagor.   Similar WR's but Reagor was the bigger and stronger of the two. 

So fair to say Reagor wouldn't last past the 46th pick. And there were a plethora of rumors saying he would have likely been taken within 10 picks of the Eagles pick. 

The funny thing is that had Henry Ruggs somehow fallen to the Eagles, no one would be talking about Jefferson.  Everyone (and I mean everyone) had Ruggs ahead of Jefferson for the Eagles.

Ruggs has the same exact amount of receptions as Reagor to date (20) albeit for more yards and 1 more TD.....BUT in 3 less games.

And Reagor has a punt return for a TD.

 

Not everyone, but thats ok.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I made it overwhelmingly clear I wanted Jefferson, with no if ands of buts about it.

I know @Iggles_Phan was right there with me.  

It was not a minority, there was a bunch of us.

@VaBeach_Eagle how do you go look at your saved old board profile, and can I see all of my posts if it is saved ??

I don't doubt you did.  But you and IP were in the minority.  And from what I remember, both of you had other WR's you would have been "ok" with as well. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The cap hit of Torrey ($5M) was immediately replaced with the cap hit of Wallace ($4M). 

Bingo.  And the majority of this Blog was thrilled with that!  Wallace was going to come in, be less expensive and provide better production.  I had quite a few "back and forths" about it...but eventually, I let it go because I wanted to see what Wallace would do. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't doubt you did.  But you and IP were in the minority.  And from what I remember, both of you had other WR's you would have been "ok" with as well. 

Jefferson was my #1.  Aiyuk was my #2.  I frankly wasn't sold on Ruggs at all.   I just didn't see anything all that special other than speed from him.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't doubt you did.  But you and IP were in the minority.  And from what I remember, both of you had other WR's you would have been "ok" with as well. 

I was always realistic about who was available.  Ruggs, Jeudy and Lamb not even a though.

I had Jefferson, or a trade back for Higgins as the two best options, and was 100% against Hamler even though all the locals wanted him.

Later, liked Mims, Claypool and Bryan Edwards.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not everyone, but thats ok.

Exactly, I had Lamb, Jeudy then Jefferson. I didn't want Ruggs or Reagor at our pick. If they traded back to the late first, sure. There were other players in other positions I would have taken over those two. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Everyone who paid attention to the draft, especially the way we did, knew that Jeudy, Lamb and Jefferson were likely the 3 "most NFL ready"...pretty sure most scouts agreed as well.  No one is disputing that.  And most of us knew that Reagor was going to most likely take a "little longer" to peak out at the NFL level.

The Eagles wanted a vertical thread/playmaker and the only other one available was KJ Hamler.  (Jefferson was thought to be more of a classic X and/or slot receiver at the time vs speedy/vertical threat, etc.)

Hamler went in the 2nd round, with the 46th overall pick.  Next to zero chance anyone takes Hamler over Reagor.   Similar WR's but Reagor was the bigger and stronger of the two. 

So fair to say Reagor wouldn't last past the 46th pick. And there were a plethora of rumors saying he would have likely been taken within 10 picks of the Eagles pick. 

The funny thing is that had Henry Ruggs somehow fallen to the Eagles, no one would be talking about Jefferson.  Everyone (and I mean everyone) had Ruggs ahead of Jefferson for the Eagles.

Ruggs has the same exact amount of receptions as Reagor to date (20) albeit for more yards and 1 more TD.....BUT in 3 less games.

And Reagor has a punt return for a TD.

 

I was one of the few not head over heels about ruggs. Actually thought jefferson was more ready with the pandemic hitting than ruggs. I thought ruggs could contribute early but i thought jefferson at worse was a good slot WR day 1. The question and debate was if he was good enough for the outside. His floor imo was the highest of the first round receivers.

 don and I got into it about ruggs and i said i wouldn’t be surprised if he has trouble staying healthy at the next level and isn’t as great as people think he is just going to be. It’s why he was the least one i wanted to trade up for. don’t get me wrong I would’ve done it if he fell into the 16-20 range cause there good value but i figured some team would take him away before cause of his speed. I thought he had the potential to be good. i just liked lamb and jeudy more than him overall.

i would’ve still move back into the end of the first round regardless and collected a couple more picks to build the team. I didn’t hate the reagor pick. Frankly i actually picked that’s who the pick would likely be before the draft when more and more buzz started coming out about it the week over. Particularly mosher and caplan pushing it repeatedly. 

again i have no problem with reagor. We knew what his flaws were coming into the draft and i still of the belief he will be fine. However i was also of the belief he was going to be inconsistent and struggle his rookie year due to no offseason activities and he wasn’t nearly as polished. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

 I frankly wasn't sold on Ruggs at all.   

I'll give you credit there...you were the only one.