1 hour ago, wtfcares said:

A draft pick isn’t gonna solve that though. To have a better offense we need to get rid of Doug and bring someone who understands players strengths and how to play to them. Let’s not even discuss decision making and getting the plays in on time. 

This goes without saying.  Same with Howie.  Both go, that's step 1 of fixing the offense.

2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

There's a DE from FSU that might be worth a look in the third. Kendoh, or something like that.

I like Nasirildeen in the 3rd if he's still there. He's a versatile player who can play both S and LB. He's even played CB. He'll essentially take over Jenkins role. Kid is good. He suffered an acl tear last season but has bounced back nicely. He'll be one hell of a pickup

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Thst used to be true.   Then the NFL made the rules all about the offense.  QBs win championships now.

I’d take it a step beyond. Offense wins championships. Foles won a championship. Goff, Garoppolo, Ryan and Newton competed in championships recently. Outside of Mahomes maybe it doesn’t look like we are in the days of the elite QBs playing in championships nonstop. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d take it a step beyond. Offense wins championships. Foles won a championship. Goff, Garoppolo, Ryan and Newton competed in championships recently. Outside of Mahomes maybe it doesn’t look like we are in the days of the elite QBs playing in championships nonstop. 

Foles' performance that day outdueled Brady's record breaking day.  But, yeah, it's all about the offense now.  That's what the league wants.  Every rule favors offense.  Every single one.

 

 

Btw, that list of QBs you mentioned... they all crapped the bed when crunchtime came.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Foles' performance that day outdueled Brady's record breaking day.  But, yeah, it's all about the offense now.  That's what the league wants.  Every rule favors offense.  Every single one.

 

 

Btw, that list of QBs you mentioned... they all crapped the bed when crunchtime came.

They did. I just see a shift from the dominant QBs from the last two decades like Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers to the new class. Outside of Mahomes who can we say will be an elite QB for the next 5 years? Maybe Wilson? Seems like it will be a lot more of hopefuls than sure things. 

Wilson is elite that’s for sure 

8 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Why this comment to me but no comment to your boy @Bacarty2's over the top hatred of Hurts even though he has outplayed the fifth year Wentz as a rookie?

No one in their right mind would be angling to trade Hurts at this point.  No one except deluded Carson fanboys like the WPA infesting this thread.

The entire rest of the world knows that Carson is GONE.

Cool story. One guy was almost league MVP a few years ago and is still young. The other hasn't shown crap and regressed already, which isn't shocking, and will probably happen more and more as people get a book on him. Both are projects in different ways and Hurts hasn't shown he is for sure the guy to keep. I want to see Wentz under a new coach in a new system first. If he still looks bad then move on, but they know for sure. You can't keep Wentz and Hurts, so I'd trade him. It's that simple and not because I have ties to either.

7 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Why this comment to me but no comment to your boy @Bacarty2's over the top hatred of Hurts even though he has outplayed the fifth year Wentz as a rookie?

No one in their right mind would be angling to trade Hurts at this point.  No one except deluded Carson fanboys like the WPA infesting this thread.

The entire rest of the world knows that Carson is GONE.

🤣

Now people have a "hatred for Hurts” if they recognize that his lack of arm strength and pocket awareness are limitations?  Good grief.

I, for one, have posted quite a few times in here that, about 10 minutes after the Hurts selection was announced, I got on board with the organization’s rationale for drafting him — such that it was.  He’s a mobile QB who can use his legs as a weapon, he’s shown a great attitude in college about being a team guy, he’s led more than one big college program at a high level, and the Eagles brass referred to him as a winner.  All good things when your #1 QB has demonstrated difficulty finishing seasons.

I usually try to be a glass-half-full person.  One positive in this crap season is the team has has a 4-game demonstration of what Hurts is and isn’t as a QB going forward.  I believe even the fans who hated the pick (99%) want to see Hurts play well.

I’ve said it before — these 4 games are all the organization gets to evaluate him, gauge his ceiling as a franchise QB, and make a huge decision going forward.  I don’t know what the organization will decide, but from my standpoint?  Hurts is a really good #2 QB — but I just don’t see a #1 QB that the franchise can or should build around.

Wentz has far more upside than Hurtz.

Wentz has shown in the right scheme and personnel, he can play at a MVP level.

Hurts is looking like he's 2 years away from being a Dak-lite QB. Or Watson. But not Mahomes. You can win with that kind of QB, you just can't ask him to carry the team.

What we're seeing with Hurts is when the OL breaks down (what I've seen is DCs calling more blitzes in the 2nd halves, pressuring an inexperienced line) he looks like Wentz. In other words, with mediocre WRs and no protection, it's run for your life. Which tells you the primary problem isn't the QBs.

Which is why getting the OL back next year is key, but that's not a real stretch, just having Driscoll over Pryor makes a huge difference, now upgrade to Lane/Mailata at RT, and Mailata/Dillard at LT, Brooks at RG, and Driscoll, Herbig, Prince on the bench. This can be a top ten OL or better next season, and that alone will have a big impact on the offense.

But they need a first rate HC/OC/QB coach trio for both QBs to develop. Better QB coaching, better scheme, better playcalling.

Give me a solid OL, improved mechanics by either Wentz and/or Hurts, and I think you'll see guys like Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Ward and maybe Hightower (can he be coached up?) look much much better. They now have the speed to stretch the field in every direction, deep, horizontal, and with almost any player (Sanders has to get his hands back, b/c he's a home run threat on wheel routes). A big reliable possession receiver, like a young Jeffrey would be a nice addition, but Fulgham might be that guy.

 

 

 

Wentz is about to be 28. Not exactly the young QB with a bunch of upside anymore. 

5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Wentz is about to be 28. Not exactly the young QB with a bunch of upside anymore. 

In relative terms a QB can easily play until 40 if his arm holds up.  12 more seasons means he’s still young relative to other positions on the team.

3 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Wentz is about to be 28. Not exactly the young QB with a bunch of upside anymore. 

He's entering a QB's prime years...which can last close to a decade in some cases. (Usually at least 5 years). So he has plenty of time to turn it around, imo. 

 

Doesn't Wentz typically play better in the 2nd half?  Just keep them both, start Hurts for the 1st half of games and start Wentz in the 2nd half.  Everybody wins!  

(Could you imagine the fits defensive coordinators would go through every week needing to scheme against 2 different QB's and basically 2 different game plans. )

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Foles' performance that day outdueled Brady's record breaking day.  But, yeah, it's all about the offense now.  That's what the league wants.  Every rule favors offense.  Every single one.

 

 

Btw, that list of QBs you mentioned... they all crapped the bed when crunchtime came.

I'm pretty sure Gym Shorts was drunk during that game.  What Foles did that night (what would have been Jerome Brown's 53rd b-day), was easily one of the best QB performances ever.  He connected with at least 5 throws that game that most QB's make once in a career.  Side note, with revisionist history, watch the 'Philly Philly' exchange with Doug and Nick again.  Doug's blank stare now appears to be more of a 'they let me have this page at the back of the playbook to make me feel better' thing.

 

12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

LOL.  Says the guy who thinks this is a decent roster.   

I think it’s cool be followed in his dads footsteps.  That’s all I got.  

Let the Pats draft him, coach him up and then we sign him for huge money at the end of the rookie contract?  With the way this team develops CB's, that's an excellent option.

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm with you.   I think he was the least of the team's issues on defense.

Not that it's saying much, but Mills and Cox were the only consistent players on the D this year.  Mills has been a swiss army knife this year too, he's been asked to do a lot because of injuries.  I'll add minus a few major brain farts, Rod was good most of the year.

9 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Might not be a popular opinion but Chip is a good coach.

He just didnt know how to speak to grown men.

 

9 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I agree with both statements.

Some guys are just better off in college - Nick Saban for one. 

Good coaches adapt and win consistently.  Chip's run at Oregon, while impressive, was during a period where the only other team in the Pac 10 at the time was Stanford (who he consistently lost to because they bullied his soft offense).  He hasn't done anything since going back to college either and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it through next season.

13 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

A late first if we throw in a pick? 

Nope, I don't think so. There isn't enough film on him.

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I was an Oilers fan and in high school watched the back to back 1-13 seasons in 1972-73. The Eagles are nowhere near that bad. Those 1-13 seasons weren’t caused by injury. We have become so used to winning that there is overreaction to a bad season. 

This isn't 1972-1973 anymore. A lot of things have changed since then. That said without bone headed moves or plays by the head coach we wouldn't be where we are. The guy is stupid stubborn for some reason. All season long he would do nothing to help out Wentz, immediately he changes the offense to help Hurts (too little too late) and then in Hurts 3rd game he stops running in the second half.

Going for 2 when it isn't needed, going for it on 4th down with a terrible offense, keeping on playing old vets that are way past their prime. This is one season but it's the total of things that we've done wrong since that marvelous season in 2017.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’ll miss his press conferences after a loss.  He just never had it upstairs to be a great player.  He’s also a selfish knob who didn’t even want to jump on his own fumble in the Super Bowl 

yup, didn't want to risk injury 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Doesn't Wentz typically play better in the 2nd half?  Just keep them both, start Hurts for the 1st half of games and start Wentz in the 2nd half.  Everybody wins!  

(Could you imagine the fits defensive coordinators would go through every week needing to scheme against 2 different QB's and basically 2 different game plans. )

 

 

 

Hell, this coaching staff can't come up with 1 game plan much less two

9 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I’d disagree. We actually scored when Chip was here, a lot. Quickly went to s___ afterwards. Harbaugh’s were solid though, no doubt. 
Danny Smith and his 4 packs of gum pretty much sucked every year as well. 

Ahhh, what a season that we are left to debate our special teams coaches from the past 20 years!

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Ahhh, what a season that we are left to debate our special teams coaches from the past 20 years!

Looking for the positives!