2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Minus the last 5 years of his career, Dawk would have been elite in whatever system with whatever talent.  He's a HOF'r for a reason.

Oddly enough, people need to pick their poison with this.  JP/Sproles/Peanut/whoever else, we held onto for too long out of respect...yet people get up in arms that we didn't resign Dawk and he went to Denver, despite being a complete liability on the field for 2 years prior to him leaving (minus the 44-6 game).

Well... I agree with a lot of what you are saying.  But, not bringing Dawk back is what scuttled Sean McDermott here.  With Dawk in the room, the defensive players wouldn't have dared go against or even speak out against McDermott.  But, without his voice and leadership, the defensive room (specifically the dbacks room, which is ironic as that was McDermott's previous area) went and was vocally defiant against what he was calling, and you could tell that their hearts weren't in his calls.  I think McDermott was a good coach here as a DC, but the players didn't give him the respect he needed to succeed here.  And he's gone on to prove that it wasn't him, it was them.

Losing both JJ and Dawk in the same offseason destroyed the defense.

 

When it comes to keeping aging players around, there's a tight rope to walk.  Only very few can manage to actually be worth it.   Celek was one of them, and he walked away at the perfect time.  Had he returned in 2018, he'd have likely been a major liability.  But, his role in 2017 was perfect for him, and most importantly, he didn't have the ego to demand he be used a certain way, or play in certain positions, or demand the game plan be written for him.  Dawk easily falls into that category.   On the opposite side, you see guys like JP demanding things, Desean coming back and tries to set a record (and ignores the fact that he's coming off an ankle injury and does a flip into the end zone), and to a certain extent, even Sproles.  He came back to the Eagles because only the Eagles had any interest.  (And he was looking to get higher up on the all-purpose yards list.  He got to top 5, but has since been passed by Frank Gore.)   And then there's Alshon who needs to make sure that its someone else's fault when things don't go perfectly... but needs to do it anonymously.  Then he goes and craps the bed against the Saints.  Oh well.

 

Anyway, all that said to mean this: bringing back aging vets needs to be very carefully considered and they need to bring MORE to the team than just their skills, because at that point, their skills are diminished.   I could see Brandon Graham being a player like that, because of his energy, his leadership and his history with this team.  But, very few on this team right now would meet that criteria.

4 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean in fairness you can't take out one of our best years. But I agree with the final sentence

He should have just posted "since winning the SB”. Excluding a great year isn’t fair ... but yeah Howie goes.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Unless Roseman is relieved of his duties, this franchise is going no where, fast. I can’t believe Lurie is so blind to Roseman’s ineptitude.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Matt Stafford gets hurt literally every single game sometimes just standing on the sideline he gets hurt 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

So what moronic thing did Booger say?

He basically called out that young black men in the NFL (70% of the league)  today that when they come into the league and work more on building their brand instead of being a better person/Player, how to help the team, that they are more worried about Instagram etc.. That They dont think about it as a job, or business. Talking about Example of Haskins immaturity, people rightfully point out Manziel was not black and it's not just a black thing.  His point is correct,  and so is the other side.  

I fully support the decision to not re-sign Dawk, for what it's worth.  Both at the time AND in hindsight.

 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

He basically called out that young black men in the NFL (70% of the league)  today that when they come into the league and work more on building their brand instead of being a better person/Player, how to help the team, that they are more worried about Instagram etc.. That They dont think about it as a job, or business. Talking about Example of Haskins immaturity, people rightfully point out Manziel was not black and it's not just a black thing.  His point is correct,  and so is the other side.  

I probably agree with that...just with the disclaimer that probably applies to most young black men AND young white men in the NFL.

NFL athletes aren't the highest quality people.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I fully support the decision to not re-sign Dawk, for what it's worth.  Both at the time AND in hindsight.

 

And I fully didn't support the decision to not re-sign Dawk.  At the time and in hindsight it looks even worse.

 

(Good to know that we can still disagree.  I was starting to worry we've been in lockstep too much recently!)

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

He basically called out that young black men in the NFL (70% of the league)  today that when they come into the league and work more on building their brand instead of being a better person/Player, how to help the team, that they are more worried about Instagram etc.. That They dont think about it as a job, or business. Talking about Example of Haskins immaturity, people rightfully point out Manziel was not black and it's not just a black thing.  His point is correct,  and so is the other side.  

He’s not wrong IMO, a lot of guys cost themselves millions because of immaturity. Haskins, Manziel, Russell are just a few. 

16 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Time flies - thought he left for awhile.  So, it's been Charlie Weiss, McDaniels, Bill O'Brian and somebody else?

He lasted 2 seasons in Denver IIRC.  He's been with the Pats for 17 total seasons.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I probably agree with that...just with the disclaimer that probably applies to most young black men AND young white men in the NFL.

NFL athletes aren't the highest quality people.

Yup, he's getting called out for just singling out Black men as opposed to the everyone. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I probably agree with that...just with the disclaimer that probably applies to most young black men AND young white men in the NFL.

NFL athletes aren't the highest quality people.

I agree with almost everything that Booger said, but remove the disclaimer about it being based on race.  It's an age thing, not a race thing.  Way too much 'me', and not enough 'we'.  

The best move for all of these folks... is to decide if they want a football career or an Hollywood career.   And the truth is that for nearly all of them, their chances of the Hollywood life drops off nearly to nil if their football career goes into the crapper.  Best to focus on football, and the rest of that stuff will take care of itself.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I fully support the decision to not re-sign Dawk, for what it's worth.  Both at the time AND in hindsight.

 

Same

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Yup, he's getting called out for just singling out Black men as opposed to the everyone. 

As he should.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Yup, he's getting called out for just singling out Black men as opposed to the everyone. 

Honestly I see that like he's trying to be a big brother to others of his race. But yeah he should have just said young players. It's not like white players are any better.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) I dont hate Hurts. I think he's a good player. I dont think his ceiling is as high as Carsons

2) I keep Carson over Hurts 7 days a week. I told you scrambling isnt an offensive scheme. 

3) Wentz haters(you) are blinded by flashy plays. He's scored 9 points in 20 drives in the 2nd half. You know why, Doug abadons the run

4) Sunday Hurts looked like poop. He looked rattled after he got hit and looked gimpy just after 1 game of the Doug play book. This Doug playbook Wentz has been using/succeeding with over the last 2 years. 

If you cant tell Wentz's down fall is 1000000% on Dougs shoulders I dont know what to tell you. I mean it took Hurts 2.5 games to see his downfall, it basically took wentz 2.5 years 

You have zero credibility on the QB issue since you're a known racist.  Obviously all of your "analysis" is colored by that fact.

Not a surprise then that one bad game by the rookie is his "downfall" (since he's black).

15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I fully support the decision to not re-sign Dawk, for what it's worth.  Both at the time AND in hindsight.

 

Why in hindsight?  The guy continued to play at a high level for at least 2+ years.   And his leadership ability for the defense was unparalleled while he was here. 

19 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean in fairness you can't take out one of our best years. But I agree with the final sentence

My analysis tells me if you take out all the wins the Eagles are 0-35-1

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And I fully didn't support the decision to not re-sign Dawk.  At the time and in hindsight it looks even worse.

 

(Good to know that we can still disagree.  I was starting to worry we've been in lockstep too much recently!)

Peters and Sproles are obvious.  The way they held onto those two was gross negligence.  Both should have been off the team exactly 2 years before they were and it wasn't even a hard decision.

Beyond that, it calls to Joe Banner's good old 1 year early vs. 2 years late philosophy.  I despise getting caught in a long-term deal with guaranteed money to a declining player.  And 95% of the time, it's not necessarily obvious.

The time to trade Ertz was this past offseason.  Everyone sees it now, but that's why it's too late.  When it comes to trading these vets, if you want to get value, you do have to give up some potential production.  Likewise, with pending UFA's in the twilight of their careers, you have to accept overpaid guaranteed bad years later in exchange for 1-2 more good ones now.  

Dawkins may have made 2 ceremonial pro-bowls, but he had 1 good year in Denver.  

Jenkins...many said it was a huge mistake to let him walk.  The guy can't cover anymore.  We'd have been just as bad this year and we'd have more toxic guaranteed money wrapped up in another has-been.

Sometimes, you have to move on...and I'm not going to criticize the Eagles for the precious few times they've actually done it.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We need to get Brian Daboll in here ASAP to be the head coach.  Dude is a gunslinger whisperer.

 

Doesnt hurt to have two very good WRs in Diggs and Beasley as well. 

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You have zero credibility on the QB issue since you're a known racist.  Obviously all of your "analysis" is colored by that fact.

Not a surprise then that one bad game by the rookie is his "downfall" (since he's black).

That is a pretty serious assumption.  Could we then assume you are racist because you hate Carson Wentz ??

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Honestly I see that like he's trying to be a big brother to others of his race. But yeah he should have just said young players. It's not like white players are any better.

You are Correct- that's why I dont really have an issue with what he said. He is talking as a person from the black community like a father figure/ leader should. Yes it exists from all youth period, but his concern is more from the minority perspective. So I dont have an issue with what or why he stated it the way he did, and I dont have an issue with people pointing out it is all youth. Both are correct. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Doesnt hurt to have two very good WRs in Diggs and Beasley as well. 

I watch the Bills quite a bit, Josh Allen is legit.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That is a pretty serious assumption.  Could we then assume you are racist because you hate Carson Wentz ??

Give it up.  Your boy @Bacarty2 has been spewing his racism in the blog for the past few hours.  But its pretty telling that you jump to defend him.

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Why in hindsight?  The guy continued to play at a high level for at least 2-3 more years.  And his leadership ability for the defense was unparalleled while he was here. 

He started 11 and 12 games, respectively, in 2010 and 2011.  The 2011 Pro-Bowl was injury replacement and ceremonial.

In 2009, he definitely played at a high level.

In 2009, the Eagles also paid up for Jason Peters, who was unhappy in Buffalo because they wouldn't pay him.  They also put a lot of money into Stacy Andrews and Leonard Weaver, who went to a pro-bowl with us.

2011, for better or worse, they spent a lot of money on guys like Nmandi, extended Evan Mathis midseason, Babin.

They chose to leave 1 good Dawk year on the table to take that money and use it elsewhere...for the future.  I can't argue with that.