I'm not sure that Lurie can justify not hiring someone to "help" Howie with the 2021 draft.  

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

When you consider the pre existing injuries, Lane not being 100%, Seumalo not playing half the game, no sacks allowed, and I believe Herbig missed a stretch, the O Line played phenomenal. 
 

 

But hey, let’s fire Stoutland amirite?
 

Plus we got to see Pryor in the game for Seumalo — for all the people who thought he was about to get cut 

JJAW is the worst WR I have ever seen in Eagles Green by a country mile. Fortunately this will be the last season we have to watch this scrub in Philly.

 

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

JJAW is the worst WR I have ever seen in Eagles Green by a country mile. Fortunately this will be the last season we have to watch this scrub in Philly.

 

Last season ??  Better be his last game.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We don’t really know the medicals though. Easy to say from your couch. 

There’s no point in even making this argument today, although it’s very valid 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Campbell has played one good game. He has shown what promise based off one game. And the other 8 he’s left injured or not been productive. One game out of Possible 18 makes him promising. Lol.

So if Jjaw does something in one game he’s considered promising.

And bad GM’s make excuses for why their players are bust. I don’t care if it’s a bust because he’s injured or a bust cause he’s not very good. Either way you made a bad pick. you get an award because he was injury prone and becomes a bust? No. you still have egg on your face. We already knew our scouting sucked. Excuses of why you guys a bust are like aholes everyone has one and they all stink

You can make a good pick that fails because of injuries. That’s bad luck, not bad process. 

We just aren’t going to agree here. 

41 minutes ago, Dice said:

Seriously wtf is wrong with JJAW? How is he still so bad?

Slow, not strong, his one good trait in college disappeared. 

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have an emerging concern that the Howie/Doug combo just do not know how to run an offense.  I will NEVER take anything from anyone in 2017.  They earned that SB.  But I'm starting to worry that it was an anomaly (NOT a fluke).

They tinkered with 12 personnel in 2017.  It was effective for them with their 3 solid TEs.  They also had 3 viable WRs and still used 11 personnel as a base offense the majority of the time, Agholor in his career year, Jeffery pre-wheels falling off, and Torey Smith bringing up the rear but still commanding some attention deep.  It worked.  

2018: They drafted Goedert over DJ Chark, who was a prototypical Z wr, when they needed one in the worst way...and already had a pro-bowl TE.  As good as Goedert may be, that was the moment when they took a wrong turn at the fork in the road.  Now we are doubling down, literally, on 12 personnel in a flag football league that doesn't allow DB's to cover WRs downfield.  To complement our heavy base offense with 2 TEs, we roll with a then 28 year old (and slowing) Jeffery, Agholor (who they knew belonged in the slot), and a scrap-heap addition in Mike Wallace to give the offense some semblance of speed and deep presence.  Do you really think a HC and GM who have any understanding of NFL offense should have laid out these blueprints?

2019:  The year the 12 personnel was supposed to take the league by storm.  The WRs fell apart last year (in 2018).  We needed to complement the 12 personnel.  The solution?  Extend a still slowing 29 year old Jeffery and draft a cinderblock-footed possession WR in round 2 as his understudy.  Trade for 33 year old Desean Jackson off the same scrap heap you got your Z WR last year.  End up with an offense that features 2 TEs and 2 slow WRs on the field whose highlights look like watching an NYC traffic cam.   Do you really think a HC and GM who have any understanding of NFL offense should have laid out these blueprints?

2020: Pivot 180 on your offensive philosophy to the tune of airing it out every other play in week 1 with a focus on speed (yay).  To meet this end, you spend the majority of your evaporating cap space on a $39m DT when you already have >$30m of 2020 cap wrapped up in 2 players at the same position.  Do not add any veteran WRs.  Telegraph to the entire NFL that you will desperately need to draft the best available fast WR in round 1.  Then go nuts adding 3 guys who run fast 40's (Goodwin, Hightower, Watkins) with the collective investment of a late 4th round pick.  And then based on that minimal, inexperienced investment of speed into your offense, just go nuts throwing nothing but deep bombs in week 1.

 

They haven't shown any ability to harvest mismatches, except those that backfire, with the 12 personnel.  The offensive approach and emphasis are wildly variable.  They cycle through offensive coaches like they are trading cards.  This entire sequence leads me to fear that they cannot possibly have any idea what the F they are doing.  

 

 

They’ve been in trouble since Reich left which has been exacerbated by the horrible personnel moves by Howie. Sum total is a recipe for disaster.

I thought JJAW had a great camp?  🙄

Whatever.  I’m not going to start more crap than I already did.  I respect the guys in this thread so I’ll post again when I’m sober:  Good night. 

What the eagles decade could have been with Wilson

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not sure that Lurie can justify not hiring someone to "help" Howie with the 2021 draft.  

Isn't that what Joe "Draft Guru" Douglas was for?  He brought us this disaster:

Round	Pick	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	14	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	BUST
2	43	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington	BUST
3	99	Rasul Douglas	CB	West Virginia	BUST
4	118	Mack Hollins	WR	North Carolina	BUST
4	132	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego St	LOL
5	166	Shelton Gibson	WR	West Virginia	BUST
5	184	Nathan Gerry	LB	Nebraska	BUST
6	214	Elijah Qualls	DT	Washington

And TATE was heartbroken when Joe Douglas left LMAO

 

16 minutes ago, Swoop said:

JJAW is the worst WR I have ever seen in Eagles Green by a country mile. Fortunately this will be the last season we have to watch this scrub in Philly.

 

DGB

Just now, ManuManu said:

You can make a good pick that fails because of injuries. That’s bad luck, not bad process. 

We just aren’t going to agree here. 

So far in his career besides one game when he has played he’s not been very good. before that one game he had 18 catches in 7 games. About 2 per game.  So can you keep saying he’s promising One out of the eight games he Has played well. So jjaw would’ve played one good game out of eight you would’ve said he’s promising? So not only has he not stayed healthy but 7 out of 8 games he’s been as bad like jjaw. 

Hope we didn’t spoil @HazletonEagle’s enjoyment of today’s game haha 

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I thought JJAW had a great camp?  🙄

Not only are the Eagles a quarterback factory but they are also a spin machine

8 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Isn't that what Joe "Draft Guru" Douglas was for?  He brought us this disaster:

Round	Pick	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	14	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	BUST
2	43	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington	BUST
3	99	Rasul Douglas	CB	West Virginia	BUST
4	118	Mack Hollins	WR	North Carolina	BUST
4	132	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego St	LOL
5	166	Shelton Gibson	WR	West Virginia	BUST
5	184	Nathan Gerry	LB	Nebraska	BUST
6	214	Elijah Qualls	DT	Washington

And TATE was heartbroken when Joe Douglas left LMAO

Hard to say Nate Gerry as a fifth round pick is a bust. He might not be very good as a starter put in the fifth round you’re just hoping to get solid depth. But the rest of that class looks awful

The most frustrating part is watching other good teams around the league like BAL, KC, GB, and SEA make plays and move down the field look so routine and simple. Watching this team is a grind and it feels like they have to fight for nearly every positive play. Nothing flows and it just seems hard. It felt like the gap between them and other teams last year was huge. And it feels just as big this year as well through two games. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not only are the Eagles a quarterback factory but they are also a spin machine

Hard to say Nate Jerry as a fifth round pick is a bus. He might not be very good as a starter put in the fifth round you’re just hoping to get solid depth. But the rest of that class looks awful

They did cut him twice before actually bringing him back for good this time around.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So far in his career besides one game when he has played he’s not been very good. before that one game he had 18 catches in 7 games. About 2 per game.  So can you keep saying he’s promising One out of the eight games he Has played well. So jjaw would’ve played one good game out of eight you would’ve said he’s promising? So not only has he not stayed healthy but 7 out of 8 games he’s been as bad like jjaw. 

He was hurt all of last year. He was healthy and looked like the best player on the field in Week 1. He looked promising. Ask Frank Reich what he thinks of him. 

3 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Isn't that what Joe "Draft Guru" Douglas was for?  He brought us this disaster:

Round	Pick	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	14	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	BUST
2	43	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington	BUST
3	99	Rasul Douglas	CB	West Virginia	BUST
4	118	Mack Hollins	WR	North Carolina	BUST
4	132	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego St	LOL
5	166	Shelton Gibson	WR	West Virginia	BUST
5	184	Nathan Gerry	LB	Nebraska	BUST
6	214	Elijah Qualls	DT	Washington

And TATE was heartbroken when Joe Douglas left LMAO

The oof meter is off the charts with that draft

Goedert doesnt make tough catches.

Gerry cant cover even though he was a college safety.

Secondary improved talent is erased by beatable coverage schemes. The only constant there is Schwarz at this point. He sucks.

Saw a play in the red zone with Hurts on the field. Good play. They may have a good package with him.

 

Aaron Donald 1 tackle on the day, Over rated one dimensional player who we always shut down. Even with injuries on our OL.

 

That CB may have had good coverage on JJAW, but he still had to make a heck of a diving catch to get that INT, and JJAW probably coulda done more in his route to get in better position.

 

Before I watched the game, knowing the result I was just about off the Doug bandwagon. After watching, Im not that discouraged yet. I still saw a lot of nice stuff from the offense. 

I think maybe Wentz having a baby in the offseason was a huge distraction and he has a ton of rust to knock off. I have a feeling he was being a great dad and not putting nearly as much time in to the mental aspect of football.  Add in two new offensive coaches, new wrinkles, new WRs and things just arent in sync yet and he is inaccurate. At times they moved the ball and I really feel like this offense can look reallly good later in the year. Just hopefully not too late.

Having Lane back and Sanders made a huge difference in the run game, and Sanders is not having a sophomore slump. He looks great. Gotta get Freeman in here to have a legit 1-2 punch. Man Fournette woulda been so nice...

 

D is a concern. We have 0 NFL LBs and our run D is gone. Meanwhile Schwartz erases any talent we have in the secondary. Theres just nothing going on that side of the ball. I cant find anything to be hopeful about there for this season. But I really can see our offense getting good enough to win a bunch of shootouts. 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Swoop said:

JJAW is the worst WR I have ever seen in Eagles Green by a country mile. Fortunately this will be the last season we have to watch this scrub in Philly.

 

Mack hollins stretch last year is close. He played like 3-4 games with more snaps and had no production. But it’s pretty close. They both stink. 

5 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Isn't that what Joe "Draft Guru" Douglas was for?  He brought us this disaster:

Round	Pick	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	14	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	BUST
2	43	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington	BUST
3	99	Rasul Douglas	CB	West Virginia	BUST
4	118	Mack Hollins	WR	North Carolina	BUST
4	132	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego St	LOL
5	166	Shelton Gibson	WR	West Virginia	BUST
5	184	Nathan Gerry	LB	Nebraska	BUST
6	214	Elijah Qualls	DT	Washington

And TATE was heartbroken when Joe Douglas left LMAO

Wasn’t Howie his boss?  Why is Howie always Teflon when it comes to atrocious drafts?

4 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Hope we didn’t spoil @HazletonEagle’s enjoyment of today’s game haha 

this thread was hard to read. I think unnecessarily overly negative.