5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He was hurt all of last year. He was healthy and looked like the best player on the field in Week 1. He looked promising. Ask Frank Reich what he thinks of him. 

Frank reich probably thinks I can’t trust this dude because he can’t stay healthy. And when he played seven games last year he was awful. Again one game. You keep talking about the one game. There were seven games last year he was awful. Let’s praise him for the one good game and ignore 7 bad ones where he was healthy and stunk 

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not sure that Lurie can justify not hiring someone to "help" Howie with the 2021 draft.  

That was Joe Douglas, and he brought the results everyone was bishing about.

Then this year they finally give Howie the full keys to the car, he drafts speed and athleticism everywhere (like both you and I have wanted for years) and now you want to stop that?

I like the 2020 draft. We got a premium pick at WR who looks like a player. The most controversial pick is a QB to backup a consistently injured QB - not what I would have done, but there is a logical argument for it. After that it’s all high upside. Not sure I want to deviate from this new strategy.

Yes, you can complain about the cap sinks at DL, but interior pressure is basically the only way to disrupt the modern passing game.

Things don’t look good now, and surely we ran into a bit of a wall with the money going to Alshon, the DL, Wentz, etc., but this draft was a long play from the start.

I’m personally much more concerned with the coaching than the 2020 draft. It’s actually the first draft I’ve really liked in some time.

7 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Isn't that what Joe "Draft Guru" Douglas was for?  He brought us this disaster:

Round	Pick	Player	Position	College	Notes
1	14	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	BUST
2	43	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington	BUST
3	99	Rasul Douglas	CB	West Virginia	BUST
4	118	Mack Hollins	WR	North Carolina	BUST
4	132	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego St	LOL
5	166	Shelton Gibson	WR	West Virginia	BUST
5	184	Nathan Gerry	LB	Nebraska	BUST
6	214	Elijah Qualls	DT	Washington

And TATE was heartbroken when Joe Douglas left LMAO

Exactly.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

That was Joe Douglas, and he brought the results everyone was bishing about.

Then this year they finally give Howie the full keys to the car, he drafts speed and athleticism everywhere (like both you and I have wanted for years) and now you want to stop that?

I like the 2020 draft. We got a premium pick at WR who looks like a player. The most controversial pick is a QB to backup a consistently injured QB - not what I would have done, but there is a logical argument for it. After that it’s all high upside. Not sure I want to deviate from this new strategy.

Yes, you can complain about the cap sinks at DL, but interior pressure is basically the only way to disrupt the modern passing game.

Things don’t look good now, and surely we ran into a bit of a wall with the money going to Alshon, the DL, Wentz, etc., but this draft was a long play from the start.

I’m personally much more concerned with the coaching than the 2020 draft. It’s actually the first draft I’ve really liked in some time.

How come Howie always gets the full keys when yet another personnel guy is whacked?  We’ve heard this story over and over and it’s getting old.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frank reich probably thinks I can’t trust this dude because he can’t stay healthy. And when he played seven games last year he was awful. Again one game. You keep talking about the one game. There were seven games last year he was awful. Let’s praise him for the one good game and ignore 7 bad ones where he was healthy and stunk 

He really wasn’t healthy last year. Reich talked him up all offseason and training camp. Then he balled out week 1. They love him. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit your argument.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mack hollins stretch last year is close. He played like 3-4 games with more snaps and had no production. But it’s pretty close. They both stink. 

Mack has my vote. He was playing most or second most snaps with multiple weeks without a catch and we get the bs from Groh or Walch that he graded out as one of their best because he aligns right and knows the assignments 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

That was Joe Douglas, and he brought the results everyone was bishing about.

Then this year they finally give Howie the full keys to the car, he drafts speed and athleticism everywhere (like both you and I have wanted for years) and now you want to stop that?

I like the 2020 draft. We got a premium pick at WR who looks like a player. The most controversial pick is a QB to backup a consistently injured QB - not what I would have done, but there is a logical argument for it. After that it’s all high upside. Not sure I want to deviate from this new strategy.

Yes, you can complain about the cap sinks at DL, but interior pressure is basically the only way to disrupt the modern passing game.

Things don’t look good now, and surely we ran into a bit of a wall with the money going to Alshon, the DL, Wentz, etc., but this draft was a long play from the start.

I’m personally much more concerned with the coaching than the 2020 draft. It’s actually the first draft I’ve really liked in some time.

I'm neither concerned nor excited about the 2020 draft.  Reagor had to be the pick.  Had to be.  Whether he goes down as a HOF or a bust, they were backed so far into that corner.

Then they go off the reservation round 2.

And then we are into the mid-rounds...anything could happen.  Do I like that they went after explosive athletes?  Of course.  But that was just Howie trying to do the exact opposite of his usual drafting because he was over-correcting.  And with these coaches throwing new stuff against the wall every week with no consistency, then that's how those raw athletes that we both love to draft never pan out.   

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wasn’t Howie his boss?  Why is Howie always Teflon when it comes to atrocious drafts?

It's the HOWIE CYCLE

Step 1) Howie makes bad draft picks (Example: Marcus Smith). 

Step 2) Bring in a "football guy" to assist in the draft

Step 3) Get rid of "football guy" so Howie can make the picks on his own

Step 4) Repeat Step 1 through 3

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He really wasn’t healthy last year. Reich talked him up all offseason and training camp. They love him. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit your argument.

 

Lol. Sure he wasn’t healthy all last year. Sounds a lot like the excuse they made with Jjaw at times last year.  He also dealt with a injury. Go back and look. Cause that happened with him too. I believe he had a groin injury. Great Frank was talking him up all camp. Guess what the Eagles were doing with Jjaw in camp? Lol  

sorry my narrative doesn’t include one good game As he is amazingly promising.. I guess your expectations are much lower for players. Yep one game out of eight and making the excuse that he was injured all year even though he played in those seven games. And as productive as jjaw. But since it hurts your argument we will just ignore those 7 games 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

How come Howie always gets the full keys when yet another personnel guy is whacked?  We’ve heard this story over and over and it’s getting old.

As Lurie has said publicly, he is looking at the conversations in the draft room and leading up to the draft on players when he makes front office decisions. Maybe, just maybe, these "football guys” that keep getting whacked are the ones pulling for all of the crappy picks?

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. Sure he wasn’t healthy all last year. Sounds a lot like the excuse they made with Jjaw at times last year.  He also dealt with a injury. Go back and look. Cause that happened with him too.  I believe he had a groin injury. I believe he had a groin injury. Great Frank was talking him up all camp. Guess what the Eagles were doing with Jjaw in camp? Lol  

sorry my narrative doesn’t include one good game As he is amazingly promising.. I guess your expectations are much lower for players. Yep one game out of eight and making the excuse that he was injured all year even though he played in those seven games.

He was actually on the injury report with various injuries, but OK. I’m done arguing about whether Campbell is promising or not. 

3 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

It's the HOWIE CYCLE

Step 1) Howie makes bad draft picks (Example: Marcus Smith). 

Step 2) Bring in a "football guy" to assist in the draft

Step 3) Get rid of "football guy" so Howie can make the picks on his own

Step 4) Repeat Step 1 through 3

No. You got step 3 wrong. Get rid of football guy and bring in a new one to help howie with the draft. 

 

This year is different because they finally didnt do that. Now you can judge Howie on the 2020 draft. 

Every Seattle WR can ball apparently 

Just now, TEW said:

As Lurie has said publicly, he is looking at the conversations in the draft room and leading up to the draft on players when he makes front office decisions. Maybe, just maybe, these "football guys” that keep getting whacked are the ones pulling for all of the crappy picks?

So you are saying that Joe Douglas had full control over the draft here and could overrule Howie on picks?

1 minute ago, TEW said:

As Lurie has said publicly, he is looking at the conversations in the draft room and leading up to the draft on players when he makes front office decisions. Maybe, just maybe, these "football guys” that keep getting whacked are the ones pulling for all of the crappy picks?

Howie still had final say. You can’t ignore that. 

https://twitter.com/72trathomas/status/1307826920143360005?s=21

15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They did cut him twice before actually bringing him back for good this time around.

Frankly gerry would be fine if you had him as a back up linebacker. The bigger issue is the Eagles think he’s a starting linebacker when it’s clearly obvious that he’s not. This goes back to the Eagles Devaluing this position to the point of where it is now. if you go look at the Super Bowl run Nigel Bradham and Kendricks played at a pretty good level that entire year. Heck it was Kendrick’s best season in like two or three years. I would have trouble finding a worst linebacker unit in the entire league

This small stretch is swaying me into the do not sign Ertz to an extension, and not just because he’s been silent. This team needs at minimum a shakeup as well as a step back from constant 12 personnel 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm neither concerned nor excited about the 2020 draft.  Reagor had to be the pick.  Had to be.  Whether he goes down as a HOF or a bust, they were backed so far into that corner.

Then they go off the reservation round 2.

And then we are into the mid-rounds...anything could happen.  Do I like that they went after explosive athletes?  Of course.  But that was just Howie trying to do the exact opposite of his usual drafting because he was over-correcting.  And with these coaches throwing new stuff against the wall every week with no consistency, then that's how those raw athletes that we both love to draft never pan out.   

That last line shows that the ones preceding it are incorrect. Reagor didn’t have to be the pick at all. Howie could have gone in a number of different directions: boring lineman pick, infuriating college production WR pick, trade back, etc. That’s not what he did. 
 

Saying it’s "overcompensating” is perplexing to me. We all sat here last season bemoaning our lack of speed at WR. Howie rightly identified that weakness and brought in 4 players to change it. If he only brings in Reagor, and Reagor gets hurt, we’d be complaining he didn’t do enough. We both wanted team speed. You said if yourself — the NFL is a track meet. So Howie got some track stars, and you denigrate that? Doesn’t make any sense, man.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

https://twitter.com/72trathomas/status/1307826920143360005?s=21

That was about the only positive today. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Howie still had final say. You can’t ignore that. 

But its purposeful ignorance to focus on it and ignore the surrounding circumstances like Howie picking from a board made by someone with the scouting talent of a worm. 

I doubt they fire him, but if they did fire Doug, gimme McDaniels as my next coach as his 2nd go around. Not sure about his leadership skills and he’s kind of a ****, but he can scheme anyone open and an offense around any skill sets.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

But its purposeful ignorance to focus on it and ignore the surrounding circumstances like Howie picking from a board made by someone with the scouting talent of a worm. 

There is no purposeful ignorance on this end. Howie has to agree with the pick or he won’t make it. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He was actually on the injury report with various injuries, but OK. I’m done arguing about whether Campbell is promising or not. 

So was jjaw. With a foot injury. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

But its purposeful ignorance to focus on it and ignore the surrounding circumstances like Howie picking from a board made by someone with the scouting talent of a worm. 

As usual it’s always someone else’s fault.  Never Teflon Howie.  Rest assured there’s another fall guy lined up to get capped in a couple years if the drafts don’t pan out.

And if Douglas is such a worm why did he get a huge 6 year contract to be a GM elsewhere with full roster control?  That means he likely didn’t have it here.