12 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

Has anyone seen or done an analysis or "rooting guide" to figure out what wins the Eagles need to jump above the Bengals with an easier strength of schedule? If not, I think I'll do one. Sounds fun.

 

My expectation is that we lose to WAS, CIN lose to BAL, ATL lose to TB and HOU lose to TEN. So I want to figure out if its possible/probable to jump ahead of CIN from #6 to #5 pick.

Your best bet is to check the Tankathon website.  Each team has played 15 opponents already, so most of the games this weekend have some impact on the SOS for the two teams.  They update the status very quickly, so you’ll know after the games tomorrow where it stands — probably even before the Eagles game starts 

1 hour ago, Green_Guinness said:

Oh, like you, I want him gone, too.  Tired of his 'smartest guy in the room' shite.  He caught lightning in a bottle in 2017, but otherwise has been mediocre to dreadful.  Also agree with you that the guy who made the mess shouldn't be the guy to try and fix the mess.  Unfortunately, Lurie's blind loyalty is going to cost this franchise even more for the near future.  I'd be shocked if Howie is sacked after the season.

 

Pretty clearly Howie is going to be around next year. The most I'm hoping for is that he's removed completely from drafting, no say at all.

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

If you play QB in Philly, you have to have the mindset and thick skin to do it.  They shouldn't be worried about looking over their shoulder. They should be competitively driven regardless of who is on the roster.  If they don't have that makeup, then yeah they should be traded but they should've never been drafted to begin with if they don't have those qualities.

That’s not realistic.  Afan brought up Montana/Young before.  If you listen to those guys speak about the experience, it was not a good environment and wasn’t beneficial for either player.  Niners continued to win only because they were far and away the best team of that era.  That’s not the Eagles 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Your best bet is to check the Tankathon website.  Each team has played 15 opponents already, so most of the games this weekend have some impact on the SOS for the two teams.  They update the status very quickly, so you’ll know after the games tomorrow where it stands — probably even before the Eagles game starts 

Thanks yeah that would be my starting point but I wanted to have a go at figuring out who to root for before the other games start.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

That’s not realistic.  Afan brought up Montana/Young before.  If you listen to those guys speak about the experience, it was not a good environment and wasn’t beneficial for either player.  Niners continued to win only because they were far and away the best team of that era.  That’s not the Eagles 

Steve Young just spoke out about this last week and said it was good for him and he thinks the Eagles should bring both back.  At the time, he didn't like it. But, looking back, he feels it was the right thing to do.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Steve Young just spoke out about this last week and said it was good for him and he thinks the Eagles should bring both back.  At the time, he didn't like it. But, looking back, he feels it was the right thing to do.

Easy for him to say now — he ultimately won the starting job.  Like you said at the time — he didn’t like it, nor should he have.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Easy for him to say now — he ultimately won the starting job.  Like you said at the time — he didn’t like it, nor should he have.

Yeah, but they both competed and it made them want to be better and that's the whole point. Players have egos, but so what. They need to have competitiveness be the key trait that drives them.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Steve Young just spoke out about this last week and said it was good for him and he thinks the Eagles should bring both back.  At the time, he didn't like it. But, looking back, he feels it was the right thing to do.

Interesting.
I don't think bringing both back would result in more wins next season but if you don't know who to go with (because it's really hard to commit the future of your franchise to Hurts based on 4 games and/or you don't know whether Wentz can bounce back with better OL and receiving options), then I can understand a season of committing to the rebuild and making a decision on Wentz/Hurts for 2022.

But if you're not making any GM or HC changes then that doesn't indicate to me that they're committing to a rebuild and so trying to win while having a QB battle doesn't seem like it's destined for greatness.

27 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

Has anyone seen or done an analysis or "rooting guide" to figure out what wins the Eagles need to jump above the Bengals with an easier strength of schedule? If not, I think I'll do one. Sounds fun.

 

My expectation is that we lose to WAS, CIN lose to BAL, ATL lose to TB and HOU lose to TEN. So I want to figure out if its possible/probable to jump ahead of CIN from #6 to #5 pick.

Get on it!!! ..... (kidding, sort of)

39 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

I'm a natural optimist but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic about the Eagles' expected moves and non-moves.

For a week or two I've felt like they'll stick with both Doug and Howie, which looks probable at this point. I think this is a mistake.

Swartz isn't perfect but he's far down on my list of improvements to be made. If he's leaving on his own accord then that's unfortunate. If he's being forced out or scapegoated, then we're in a bigger hole than I realised. I view Swartz as above average - which in 2020 is fine. You'd rather have a top O and average D than top D and average O. Top D is relative. The rules are set up for scoring. A top D just doesn't shut down an O like it used to. I think the chances of hiring someone better than Swartz are less than 50/50.

I could be completely wrong on this but I actually think they'll even keep both Wentz and Hurts. But we'll see.

Just go to bed.  You are ruining everything.

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Yeah, but they both competed and it made them want to be better and that's the whole point. Players have egos, but so what. They need to have competitiveness be the key trait that drives them.

Fair enough — but if they both perform at their peak Wentz is far and away the better player.  Hurts may (may) be content to go back to the backup role next season.

If Doug/Howie evaluate both a starting-caliber NFL QBs, it’s a waste of resources IMO.  Trade Hurts for a 2nd round pick (1st possibly), and get going with a rebuild of the roster.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Fair enough — but if they both perform at their peak Wentz is far and away the better player.  Hurts may (may) be content to go back to the backup role next season.

If Doug/Howie evaluate both a starting-caliber NFL QBs, it’s a waste of resources IMO.  Trade Hurts for a 2nd round pick (1st possibly), and get going with a rebuild of the roster.

The problem is if Howie trades Hurts for a 2nd, then it is basically him acknowledging he made a mistake. I can't see him doing that. Howie's ego is a different story.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just go to bed.  You are ruining everything.

I'm in a different timezone now. I don't know if the old superstitions still hold true😬

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Chase @ 16 ?

Someone mentioned earlier that keeping both Howie and Doug means that they'll be fighting for their jobs and trying to win/survive. There's a real chance they make some anti-rebuild decisions in that scenario. That would suck.

That said, a scenario does exists where the Eagles purge themselves of older players and clearly show the fanbase that the rebuild is on. If they do this and make it obvious, then they'll set the fans' expectations low. Then you could have a situation where the Eagles have a losing season but if they show improvement over the season and young players/draft picks show some promise, then you could have the scenario where Howie and Doug can actually rebuild and not feel they have to make "win now" moves to keep their jobs.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Chase @ 16 ?

In this simulation that's where he fell.  I traded back with LV and picked up their 2022 1st Round pick and was hoping to get Wyatt Davis, but SF took him at #15.  When I saw Chase at 16 it was BPA.  Too good of value there to pass on.

I took Kendrick and Cisco because of their ball skills.  I want DBs who can create INTs/TOs.  Took Sermon to compliment Sanders and help the O being another weapon.  Took Lindstrom as a possible Kelce heir or at least a solid IOL backup.  Rumph is an athletic quick burst DE sort of in the mold of Sweat where a bit of bulk will only help him.  Mond because Sudfeld is probably gone so he's the 3rd string (we think) QB to develop.  Last 2 picks to fill out STs and see how they develop as backups.

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Bringing Doug back at this juncture in time could very well have the impact of setting this team back 5-6 years at a minimum.

I disagree actually. I'm not exactly team Doug but Howie is the biggest issue and then Wentz. 

I think the rumor that Doug is staying only confirms that he's not

I don't like Adam Schefter after that rumor he made about Wentz and then like a week or so later backtracking saying people confused what he meant. He lost credibility on that one IMO

22 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Alec lindstrom is Falcons former first round pick lindstrom’s brother. He’s not as good as his brother was coming out (obviously). He isn’t as athletic 

Watching college BB games today. These kids are running up and down the court, playing tight defense, and when they go to the bench they have to sit at least 6 feet apart.

Just like my grandsons football games, after the game they weren't allowed to shake hands with their opponents.

All for show.

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What game?   I’m watching UNC play like garbage again.  

Missouri Arkansas, then LSU Florida

1 hour ago, bbabraham said:

Someone mentioned earlier that keeping both Howie and Doug means that they'll be fighting for their jobs and trying to win/survive. There's a real chance they make some anti-rebuild decisions in that scenario. That would suck.

That said, a scenario does exists where the Eagles purge themselves of older players and clearly show the fanbase that the rebuild is on. If they do this and make it obvious, then they'll set the fans' expectations low. Then you could have a situation where the Eagles have a losing season but if they show improvement over the season and young players/draft picks show some promise, then you could have the scenario where Howie and Doug can actually rebuild and not feel they have to make "win now" moves to keep their jobs.

The Eagles will never do a complete rebuild (aka "Trust the Process".) 

They will rebuild it piece by piece, replacing older players when they need to be replaced ,etc. 

Can we sacrifice one of the Wentz haters so Bengals, Falcons, and Texans win and we lose tomorrow?