1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I doubt they fire him, but if they did fire Doug, gimme McDaniels as my next coach as his 2nd go around. Not sure about his leadership skills and he’s kind of a ****, but he can scheme anyone open and an offense around any skill sets.

Hell no. McDaniels would be a bigger D-hole than Chip 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hell no. McDaniels would be a bigger D-hole than Chip 

Hopefully he learned something his first go around that cutting anyone who doesn’t toe the line is idiotic. And you don’t give him say on personnel.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So was jjaw. With a foot injury. 

If you want to say JJAW was derailed by an injury his rookie year I would be inclined to agree to some extent. What else do you want to argue about?

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

So you are saying that Joe Douglas had full control over the draft here and could overrule Howie on picks?

The eagles draft process has been described by multiple people — including Lurie, Howie and Doug — as a collaborative process.

When you have 4 or 5 senior people, plus multiple position coaches and scouts, all arguing for "their” guy, you are going to have to compromise a lot. Especially when all of the "football guys” are arguing for a particular player.

Obviously Lurie is making the decision he thinks is best for the team, wouldn’t you agree? So if he’s watched his staff making collaborative picks, and he gets rid of one guy without replacing him, which effectively transfers that power and influence in the personnel process to Howie, doesn’t that tell you that what Lurie is seeing tells him that Howie isn’t the problem?

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Hopefully he learned something his first go around that cutting anyone who doesn’t toe the line is idiotic. And you don’t give him say on personnel.

I can’t imagine he’d take the job if he didn’t have a say in personnel.
 

People can think Howie has all the say in the world but you cannot tell me that Pederson didn’t highly influence this past draft. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There is no purposeful ignorance on this end. Howie has to agree with the pick or he won’t make it. 

I don't think he can just reset the whole board on draft day after Joe spends months setting it. So, his hands are tied even if he's not crazy about the choices he is choosing from. 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Howie still had final say. You can’t ignore that. 

You can’t, but you also can’t ignore that there is a lot of influence from other people. If you have an executive paying another member of management for his expertise, and he’s banging the table to do certain things, and that is supposedly his area of expertise, you’re probably going to listen to him.

Just now, ManuManu said:

If you want to say JJAW was derailed by an injury his rookie year I would agree. What else do you want to argue about?

That wasn’t even the argument.  Campbell played last year even though he was on the injury report and ditto for jjaw. they both sucked. Quit making excuses for them.Literally he played 7 games and sucked just like jjaw sucked. Only difference right now is he’s injury prone and had one good game in his career 

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

As usual it’s always someone else’s fault.  Never Teflon Howie.  Rest assured there’s another fall guy lined up to get capped in a couple years if the drafts don’t pan out.

And if Douglas is such a worm why did he get a huge 6 year contract to be a GM elsewhere with full roster control?  That means he likely didn’t have it here.

Howie ran trades and free agency.  Douglas ran the draft.  This is very,  very obvious. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This small stretch is swaying me into the do not sign Ertz to an extension, and not just because he’s been silent. This team needs at minimum a shakeup as well as a step back from constant 12 personnel 

More so, the cap situation just doesn’t make sense.

I maintain that I would do everything to support Wentz and coach him up for success through 2021.  Ditto Doug.  Even with Howie, his learning curve has been so tragically painful.  I have zero confidence that he's "figured it out," but since his most recent draft was more in line with my philosophy, I'm not totally sure I want to go back to square 1.

But underneath those 3, there's not a whole lot of changes that I'd hesitate to make.

1.  Schwartz has done a good job here over the years.  Good overall.  But his work with the secondary has been consistently bad.  The QB pressure is never there.  I would not be opposed to looking in a new direction in the offseason.

2.  I'm not sure 2021 is the time for half-measures with the salary cap.  It would be a hell of a painful band-aid...you might even need to start now...but I would strongly consider cleansing this team of every single overpaid contract.  That means considering trades for guys like Cox, Ertz, Brooks.  Releases for guys like Desean, Malik, Jeffery, Barnett, Graham.  The dirty work to clear that kind of cap would have to start this season before the trade deadline, not in the offseason.  Collectively, you might get a few picks and you might be able to set yourself up for a FA splash in 2022 as the team reloads. 

3.  If this season really goes south, you might have to approach Wentz in the offseason and leverage him into a restructuring.  Gives him some good PR whilst he is in the crosshairs; he gets to say he took less so the team can better build around him.  

4.  Draft should be WR, interior OL, DE in that order.  If you draft a LT with a top 15 pick, you are writing off the Dillard investment.  They just don't have the luxury of doing that.  You've got to roll the dice with him in 2021 and add a threat opposite Reagor to help Wentz.  The picks after that should be stacking up on the interior OL, which figure to need a lot of help in numbers.  DE is a huge pending problem, but it's best to invest in getting Wentz back on the right track.  Maybe 2022 FA is when they can break the bank on a DE.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't think he can just reset the whole board on draft day after Joe spends months setting it. So, his hands are tied even if he's not crazy about the choices he is choosing from. 

I seriously doubt Howie felt like his hands were tied to crappy boards. That’s just a convenient excuse. 

If I could have any coach for Carson Wentz, I think it’d be Bruce Arians. He had great success with Roethlisberger and Luck which are two guys that are a good comparison for Wentz. Imo 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

The eagles draft process has been described by multiple people — including Lurie, Howie and Doug — as a collaborative process.

When you have 4 or 5 senior people, plus multiple position coaches and scouts, all arguing for "their” guy, you are going to have to compromise a lot. Especially when all of the "football guys” are arguing for a particular player.

Obviously Lurie is making the decision he thinks is best for the team, wouldn’t you agree? So if he’s watched his staff making collaborative picks, and he gets rid of one guy without replacing him, which effectively transfers that power and influence in the personnel process to Howie, doesn’t that tell you that what Lurie is seeing tells him that Howie isn’t the problem?

Really?  Howie has been here for TWENTY YEARS.  Lurie claimed he was making the best picks almost a decade ago.  If that’s actually true then why this never ending parade of personnel guys who end up taking the blame for bad drafts?  Why hasn’t Howie been in charge for ten years now?  
 

Aside from when Chip sent him to the closet, he has been the head personnel guy since 2012!

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That wasn’t even the argument.  Campbell played last year even though he was on the injury report and ditto for jjaw. they both sucked. Quit making excuses for them.Literally he played 7 games and sucked just like jjaw sucked. Only difference right now is he’s injury prone and had one good game in his career 

Nah. I think you’re relying on box score scouting. Frank Reich and I vehemently disagree with you. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Howie ran trades and free agency.  Douglas ran the draft.  This is very,  very obvious. 

Douglas set the board. He didn’t run the draft. 

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

That last line shows that the ones preceding it are incorrect. Reagor didn’t have to be the pick at all. Howie could have gone in a number of different directions: boring lineman pick, infuriating college production WR pick, trade back, etc. That’s not what he did. 
 

Saying it’s "overcompensating” is perplexing to me. We all sat here last season bemoaning our lack of speed at WR. Howie rightly identified that weakness and brought in 4 players to change it. If he only brings in Reagor, and Reagor gets hurt, we’d be complaining he didn’t do enough. We both wanted team speed. You said if yourself — the NFL is a track meet. So Howie got some track stars, and you denigrate that? Doesn’t make any sense, man.

I don't think he overcompensated at WR.  If anything, he under compensated.

I think he may have "over-corrected" in the overall draft.  I think he literally just tried to do the exact opposite of what they usually do.  Not sure that's a well-calculated approach.  4-3 LB isn't necessarily a raw athlete position (Taylor).  WR, DE?  Sure, downhill explosion.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I seriously doubt Howie felt like his hands were tied to crappy boards. That’s just a convenient excuse. 

It's reality plain as day. To not accept that is purposeful ignorance. No other explanation. Your too smart otherwise. 

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

You can’t, but you also can’t ignore that there is a lot of influence from other people. If you have an executive paying another member of management for his expertise, and he’s banging the table to do certain things, and that is supposedly his area of expertise, you’re probably going to listen to him.

I’m not arguing that Joe didn’t have significant influence. I’m arguing against the notion that it’s Joe’s fault. Ultimately it’s Howie’s call. He hired Joe. He had final say over the picks. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

It's reality plain as day. To not accept that is purposeful ignorance. No other explanation. Your too smart otherwise. 

Nah. You just don’t want to give Howie blame for the picks that he ultimately made. 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Really?  Howie has been here for TWENTY YEARS.  Lurie claimed he was making the best picks almost a decade ago.  If that’s actually true then why this never ending parade of personnel guys who end up taking the blame for bad drafts?  Why hasn’t Howie been in charge for ten years now?  
 

Aside from when Chip sent him to the closet, he has been the head personnel guy since 2012!

Huh?

AR had full control of personnel. Howie was much more of the cap and trade negotiator.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Nah. I think you’re relying on box score scouting. Frank Reich and I vehemently disagree with you. 

Douglas set the board. He didn’t run the draft. 

From day 1 running the college sitting department and setting the Board is running the draft.  

Howie got to slap his name on a draft card on draft day.  Big whoop. 

Yes, Douglas ran the draft and that's exactly what he was brought here to do. It was completely 100% for his draft processes.  

Howie had already proven himself as a great free agent and trade negotiator. No one trusted him to draft.  Which is stupid because he better than all the footbal guys who were supposed to teach him. 

38 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

They’ve been in trouble since Reich left which has been exacerbated by the horrible personnel moves by Howie. Sum total is a recipe for disaster.

They've been trying to replace the great team of Doug, Reich, and Flip and have failed miserably

Kind of funny because neither have been doing well since they left too

Also the Dline was great when Wilson was the coach

The DBs have always sucked lol

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Aaron Donald 1 tackle on the day, Over rated one dimensional player who we always shut down. Even with injuries on our OL.

 

I don't know how much it impacted the rest of the line but they had to double Donald majority of the game

I could be wrong but I think Donald lined up across Issac. Peters ended up having to help most of the game

Did that screw up the line? I'd have to refer to JR on that

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly gerry would be fine if you had him as a back up linebacker. The bigger issue is the Eagles think he’s a starting linebacker when it’s clearly obvious that he’s not. This goes back to the Eagles Devaluing this position to the point of where it is now. if you go look at the Super Bowl run Nigel Bradham and Kendricks played at a pretty good level that entire year. Heck it was Kendrick’s best season in like two or three years. I would have trouble finding a worst linebacker unit in the entire league

I actually really agree with their devaluing of the position.  Now, they took it overboard by starting a bunch of roster cuts.  In a 4-3 (We really shouldn't even call it a 4-3 at this point, it's a 4-2)...the DL stops the run, the DL generates the pass rush, the 5 DBs are responsible for the main weapons in coverage.  LBs need to tackle well and cover well.  It's not an unimportant job, but it's kind of a go for "good enough" position in this defense.  

They well short of even that modest goal, but I wouldn't go ahead and draft a LB in the first or even 2nd round, especially considering the other problems we have.

 

Just now, TEW said:

Huh?

AR had full control of personnel. Howie was much more of the cap and trade negotiator.

When Reid left Lurie claimed Howie made the best picks so was putting him in charge.  I believe that was 2012.  From then until now the only time Howie was not in charge was when Chip banished him.

So if Howie makes the best picks as Lurie and you claim, then why was Joe Douglas running the draft?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

From day 1 running the college sitting department and setting the Board is running the draft.  

Howie got to slap his name on a draft card on draft day.  Big whoop. 

Yes, Douglas ran the draft and that's exactly what he was brought here to do. It was completely 100% for his draft processes.  

Howie had already proven himself as a great free agent and trade negotiator. No one trusted him to draft.  Which is stupid because he better than all the footbal guys who were supposed to teach him. 

Howie makes the picks. Howie makes the trades. Joe D set the board. Howie ran the draft. 

If Howie Stan’s were to make a case for keeping him that didn’t involve referencing the Super Bowl season, what would it be?

i ask some of my friends to forget about arguing about what Howie is or isn’t responsible for and to just tell me why you want him to keep his current role and why you are a big fan of him.

To a man, each response always starts with reeling off things that happened during the Super Bowl season. Nothing he’s done in the past 3 years.