1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I have no problem with anyone saying Joe Douglas wasn’t great here. My issue is absolving Howie when he obviously had a hand in it. It’s both of their faults. 

Andy Weidl sets the board now. Just like Joe did.

Exactly.  Joe Douglas WAS replaced after he left for more money and more responsibility.  Conveniently now all the past draft mistakes are his fault and St. Howie is once again blameless.

Akin to Truman, Howie must have a sign in his office that states "The Buck Stops There”.

 

The GM doesn’t select the prospects, that’s the scouting department.  The GM decides whether to trade up, trade down, or make the pick — but I don’t believe for a second Howie would presume to override Joe Douglas (or Weidl) on the final recommendation on a selection.

Howie as GM is accountable and responsible for the end result, though.  If JJAW is a bust, that’s on Howie.  If Barnett is a bust, that’s on Howie.  When you draft too many busts Howie should fire Douglas or Weidl — or Howie himself would get fired.

All this ignores all of the other aspects of being a GM, however — cap management, contract negotiations, free agency, relationships and evaluation of coaching staff, etc.  You have to evaluate all of these to adequately assess a GM

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I was thrilled when Douglas got poached.  The Howie/Douglas combo wasn't working, so anything to change the formula.  But Howie stands alone on some of these contracts and trades.

If Joe set the board but Howie made the picks, then it very well could be Howie responsible for bad picks.  We actually don’t know if the boards were bad, if the execution during the drafts was bad, or both.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m actually curious to see what the Eagles do at the trade deadline. Cause I can’t see this team by week eight being better than 3-5 or 2-6. There’s some veterans on this team that they could unload to some franchises who are going to be in contention. I think you have to strongly consider trading some of those guys to get draft capital. Yes I understand we have not been great at drafting but you still need those picks because you need to get younger, cheaper talent and hope that you hit on some of them. 

It's a great opportunity to unload our bad contracts to contenders with injuries at those positions.  Graham, Jeffery, and the Jacksons should be shopped for pennies with the goal of clearing cap.  It would be a major burden off our shoulders to clear some of that.

Ertz should be shopped with the goal of getting a meaningful pick.  Cox should be shopped for both a nice pick and cap relief, although he won't fetch much on that deal.  Barnett...you guys say we can rescind his option with 0 dead cap, so if someone would float a 5th round pick for him at the deadline, why not?  He's a major risk to get an injury that locks them into that option.

I'd love to get a head start on those toxic contracts.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The GM doesn’t select the prospects, that’s the scouting department.  The GM decides whether to trade up, trade down, or make the pick — but I don’t believe for a second Howie would presume to override Joe Douglas (or Weidl) on the final recommendation on a selection.

Howie as GM is accountable and responsible for the end result, though.  If JJAW is a bust, that’s on Howie.  If Barnett is a bust, that’s on Howie.  When you draft too many busts Howie should fire Douglas or Weidl — or Howie himself would get fired.

All this ignores all of the other aspects of being a GM, however — cap management, contract negotiations, free agency, relationships and evaluation of coaching staff, etc.  You have to evaluate all of these to adequately assess a GM

Of course the GM selects the prospects. They watch the tape too. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's a great opportunity to unload our bad contracts to contenders with injuries at those positions.  Graham, Jeffery, and the Jacksons should be shopped for pennies with the goal of clearing cap.  It would be a major burden off our shoulders to clear some of that.

Ertz should be shopped with the goal of getting a meaningful pick.  Cox should be shopped for both a nice pick and cap relief, although he won't fetch much on that deal.  Barnett...you guys say we can rescind his option with 0 dead cap, so if someone would float a 5th round pick for him at the deadline, why not?  He's a major risk to get an injury that locks them into that option.

I'd love to get a head start on those toxic contracts.

Not sure you’re gonna be able to unload Graham, Jeffrey or someone like Malik Jackson. I think those guys have contracts that teams just don’t want and they’re not worth what they’re going to have to give up in draft capital and what they’re going to have to pay them the following year. I do think DeSean Jackson would be a good trade candidate. I also think Zach Ertz is a good trade candidate. I also don’t think it’s that far-fetched that a team if they have an injury at the safety position would want Rodney McLeod. However I would have to look at his cap situation in a trade to see if that would even be worth it with the dead money

This season is far from over and the division is very winnable. Let’s pump the breaks on preparing for 2022. 

Yikes. That was a terrible last play

Newton almost got in there — not.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This season is far from over and the division is very winnable. Let’s pump the breaks on preparing for 2022. 

Yay win the crappy nfc East at 9-7 again!

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not sure you’re gonna be able to unload Graham, Jeffrey or someone like Molly Jackson. I think those guys have contracts that teams just don’t want and they’re not worth what they’re going to have to give up in draft capital and what they’re going to have to pay them the following year. I do think DeSean Jackson would be a good trade candidate. I also think Zach Ertz is a good trade candidate. I also don’t think it’s that far-fetched that a team if they have an injury at the safety position would want Rodney McLeod. However I would have to look at his cap situation in a trade to see if that would even be worth it with the dead money

I mean, I'd trade anyone in that first group for nothing.  2022 7th round pick.  If a team has cap room and wants a DE for the stretch run, then why not take on Graham's contract?  Or Malik if you want a DT for the run?  A key injury at those spots and a team might be willing to do it for their run.

If they just moved half the guys I mentioned, it would be progress.

My issue with trading Mcleod is that he's not overpaid.  A proven starting safety with a $5m cap number?  I'd rather bring him back in 2021.

Ertz and Cox are tricky because they are Eagle greats.  I'd really want a 2 for Ertz, but would probably cave for a 3.  For Cox, with that contract, I'd really want a 3, but would probably settle for a 4.  In reality, it may take a 4 for Ertz and a 5 for Cox.  Not sure if I'd do it at that price...but I'd think about it.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Of course the GM selects the prospects. They watch the tape too. 

Depends on the GM; someone like Belichick, yes — because his background is coaching talent and has a long history as a defensive coordinator and head coach.  His father was a football coach.  Roseman?  Nope — his background is salary cap management and administrative roles in the organization; I doubt he’s ever even worn pads.

JMO — I have no knowledge at all of what goes on inside Novacare.

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This season is far from over and the division is very winnable. Let’s pump the breaks on preparing for 2022. 

To what end?  We won the division last year just to be eliminated from the playoffs in less than 8 minutes.

If they can help the future of the team at this trade deadline, I would aggressively do so.

If you don't have final say on draft picks, then you're not the GM.  It's just a fake title on the website.  

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I mean, I'd trade anyone in that first group for nothing.  2022 7th round pick.  If a team has cap room and wants a DE for the stretch run, then why not take on Graham's contract?  Or Malik if you want a DT for the run?  A key injury at those spots and a team might be willing to do it for their run.

If they just moved half the guys I mentioned, it would be progress.

My issue with trading Mcleod is that he's not overpaid.  A proven starting safety with a $5m cap number?  I'd rather bring him back in 2021.

Ertz and Cox are tricky because they are Eagle greats.  I'd really want a 2 for Ertz, but would probably cave for a 3.  For Cox, with that contract, I'd really want a 3, but would probably settle for a 4.  In reality, it may take a 4 for Ertz and a 5 for Cox.  Not sure if I'd do it at that price...but I'd think about it.

I would still trade McLeod depending on what pick I got. While it would be nice to bring him back for 2021 I’m not holding him back knowing that he’s likely gone after 2021. Plus I do think some team would overpay for him if they had an injury at safety Due to his contract being reasonable and he has another year left on the contract

Sadly I don’t think anybody wants Malik Jackson or graham simply because their contracts are way too much for 2021. I think Graham has more value than Jackson but I don’t see a team want to take on his 2021 contract.  If he was in the last year of his contract it would make more sense to me to give up a six or seventh round pick because I don’t have to take on that Space next year and I get him for the stretch on. But his cap number is high next year. I can’t see a team wanting to pay him that at his age

I do think Cox is movable but you would have to find a team that’s a contender that has a cap space to take him on this year and next year.

I think ertz, DeSean and McLeod are the most likely to be traded.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would still trade McLeod depending on what pick I got. While it would be nice to bring him back for 2021 I’m not holding him back knowing that he’s likely gone after 2021. Plus I do think some team would overpay for him if they had an injury at safety Due to his contract being reasonable and he has another year left on the contract

Sadly I don’t think anybody wants Malik Jackson or graham simply because their contracts are way too much for 2021. I think Graham has more value than Jackson but I don’t see a team won eight to take on his 2021 contract.  If he was in the last year of his contract it would make more sense to me to give up a six or seventh round pick because I don’t have to take on that Space next year and I get him for the stretcher on. But his cap number is high next year. I can’t see a team wanting to pay him that at his age

I do think Cox is movable but you would have to find a team that’s a contender that has a cap space to take him on this year and next year.

I think ertz, DeSean N McLeod are the most likely to be traded.

Everyone has a price.  I just have a hard time settling on a number for Mcleod.  He's gone after 2021, so the "get something, anything" rationale is in play.  But this secondary could have some major issues without him.  If we are going to take a step back AND not save big with the cap, I'd want a meaningful pick in return.  But who the heck would trade a 4 or better for Mcleod?  I don't want to make the team worse for any less than that.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

To what end?  We won the division last year just to be eliminated from the playoffs in less than 8 minutes.

If they can help the future of the team at this trade deadline, I would aggressively do so.

I Feel like it would be we are stuck in purgatory.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

To what end?  We won the division last year just to be eliminated from the playoffs in less than 8 minutes.

If they can help the future of the team at this trade deadline, I would aggressively do so.

I have to say, scratching and clawing just to make the playoffs has been exhausting the past two years. It hasn’t been fun to watch at all. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone has a price.  I just have a hard time settling on a number for Mcleod.  He's gone after 2021, so the "get something, anything" rationale is in play.  But this secondary could have some major issues without him.  If we are going to take a step back AND not save big with the cap, I'd want a meaningful pick in return.  But who the heck would trade a 4 or better for Mcleod?  I don't want to make the team worse for any less than that.

Secondary has issues now with him. You are going to be bad for the rest of the year anyways if you were trading him so it’s not gonna really make that much of a difference in 2020. In 2021 it would make a difference. However I’m guessing if they traded Rodney McLeod that they would probably draft a safety somewhat high. And you’re starting safety would probably be someone like Wallace and that draft pick.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone has a price.  I just have a hard time settling on a number for Mcleod.  He's gone after 2021, so the "get something, anything" rationale is in play.  But this secondary could have some major issues without him.  If we are going to take a step back AND not save big with the cap, I'd want a meaningful pick in return.  But who the heck would trade a 4 or better for Mcleod?  I don't want to make the team worse for any less than that.

Anyone who won’t be here when this team gets good again in a few years should go for whatever we can get.  If that means we are a bit worse in the short term, that’s a good thing not a bad thing.  That definitely includes McLeod.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I have to say, scratching and clawing just to make the playoffs has been exhausting the past two years. It hasn’t been fun to watch at all. 

 2018 wasn’t as bad. Because Nick Foles looked like he was getting hot And might have some more magic.

The 2019 one was like pulling teeth. To me the last month that season was fools gold. The Eagles were super fortunate that our schedule had the Giants on there twice, the Redskins and Dak Prescott had a bum shoulder coming into Philly for that game.

Winning the division last year was the worst thing to happen to the Eagles. It deluded the organization into thinking things were better than they are.

8 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Anyone who won’t be here when this team gets good again in a few years should go for whatever we can get.  If that means we are a bit worse in the short term, that’s a good thing not a bad thing.  That definitely includes McLeod.

I'm all for adding picks, but I see Ertz and Cox (maybe) as the only players on the team (that I'd consider trading) worthy of garnering meaningful picks.

Aside from them, my real goal would be to clear out the bad contracts for 7th round picks years in the future to injured teams who need a vet.

On an unrelated note, Saquan Barkley becomes reason #5902 why you don't draft a RB round 1 and reason #589678 why you don't draft a RB top 5.