25 minutes ago, Birdman said:

 

thank goodness these boards are still around so I can get a good laugh in from time to time

quite possibly one of the dumbest hot takes I've read on TATE in some time 

step away from the keyboard, go outside and go kick rocks kid 

What?

"Hey team this is our new coach Birdman. He’s going to want you all to tank on purpose because you suck and we need better draft picks. Oh and he drinks his own pee...”

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

So JJAW is actually better than DK Metcalf? And Sidney Jones was a good 2nd round pick? 

huh...small world, I grew up in Greensboro, glad I got out 😎

who knows what will happen with JJAW and I guess we'll never know about Jones will we? 

the fact of the matter is that you can cherry-pick draft picks until your blue in the face, but history shows that this organization has an extremely poor track record of developing and nurturing talent, sans Jackson, Sanders, Ertz 

Those stats posted are silly.

Did he have a Zero yards per attempt last week? 

He had 12 week 1 and ranked 1st, so to go to 6 for the season he had to do 0 ypa last week.

Those are last week's stats but says "season" 😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

15 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

But jameis was never giving a second contract for big money.

Bucs accepted the fact he is who he is..look awesome one game,slop the next...and the turnovers. 

5 years into the league , you are what you are.

😂🤣😂🤣😂 

Jameis never sniffed a season like Wentz has had.

Are you now a Saints fan so you can keep cheering for "America's QB"?

🤡🤣😂🤡

The Jets have a worse wr situation than the Eagles.  Their own coach said that "anyone with a pulse” needs to be ready to go.

1 hour ago, Birdman said:

I went into this season with extremely low expectations. I'm not sure why people are so surprised that were staring at 0-2 right now? 

You and me both. And do you know what? I think that's OK. We can't be contenders every year. All teams go through this. Now is out time. 

3 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

😂🤣😂🤣😂 

Jameis never sniffed a season like Wentz has had.

Are you now a Saints fan so you can keep cheering for "America's QB"?

🤡🤣😂🤡

Wentz and winston are both turnover prone, and both have the same amount of playoff wins. 0

Both sub 500 against teams 500 or above, quite a few parallels 

Wentz is playing terrible but this is not his norm.

Good grief.

If you think this is what Wentz has been throughout his career I question what the hell you've watched.

He just had insane numbers last year with scrubs around him.

If Doug can't get him back to where we've seen him at than that's more of a Doug issue, is it not?

If not, why not?

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Wentz and winston are both turnover prone, and both have the same amount of playoff wins. 0

Yes, but no one here called Wentz America's QB and such nonsense.

🤣

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

Why not put Reagor on IR already?

Gunner was reported they thought he could be back in two weeks. 

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

Wentz is playing terrible but this is not his norm.

Good grief.

If you think this is what Wentz has been throughout his career I question what the hell you've watched.

He just had insane numbers last year with scrubs around him.

If Doug can't get him back to where we've seen him at than that's more of a Doug issue, is it not?

If not, why not?

Yes, but no one here called Wentz America's QB and such nonsense.

🤣

I dont want to get into name calling or trying to be a comedian. Truth of the matter ,wentz is currently not a good QB

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Gunner was reported they thought he could be back in two weeks. 

Yeah, I saw this. It'll be interesting to see what route they take with him. He could play and just body-catch, so the team would have to be on the same page with his compromised ability until he's fully healthy. 

2 minutes ago, Birdman said:

huh...small world, I grew up in Greensboro, glad I got out 😎

who knows what will happen with JJAW and I guess we'll never know about Jones will we? 

the fact of the matter is that you can cherry-pick draft picks until your blue in the face, but history shows that this organization has an extremely poor track record of developing and nurturing talent, sans Jackson, Sanders, Ertz 

I'm glad you got out too. 

I'm not sure how to analyze but by pointing to specific facts.  "history shows" isn't a fact.  It's just an expression and it's pretty meaningless when you don't have any evidence except to point to the players that are the exception to your rule.  I don't disagree that at times the Eagles have not done a good job.  I don't know that they have done worse on average than other teams at developing talent.  It seems like some players they have drafted, Nelson Agholor for instance, had persistent flaws in their game that continued despite multiple coaches.  Derek Barnett is another example of a player that makes consistent negative plays in terms of penalties that have little to do with coaching.  His injury problem also isn't a coaching problem although maybe it's related to the medical staff.  There are picks that seem objectively like bad picks given their result.  Sidney Jones was a bad pick.  He never recovered fully from his injury and has not produced despite the opportunity.  Maybe it is that Schwartz's defense isn't CB friendly.  However, Jalen Mills, Maddox and LeBlanc have all come in and contributed more.  JJAW was a bad pick in light of DK Metcalf.  Maybe JJAW will become a solid NFL WR.  It does not seem that he will ever produce like Metcalf.  In addition to the players like Sanders and Ertz, they have developed players like Hicks, Seumalo, Vaitai, Rasul Douglas, Brandon Graham, Nick Foles, and even Wentz despite his recent struggles.  So I'm not sure I see that the problem lies with player development more than the draft.   

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Ruggs/Reagor OUT. Jeudy likely out.

Maybe it's just hard to play as a rookie WR...

some people on here said that back in February and March....it’s why I kept saying you might have more talent at wide receiver but having more talent does not mean your wide receiving corps is all that much better if they are young and cannot translate to the nfl

sheil Kapadia had the stats when the eagles didn’t address it in FA and he showed just going with rookie wide receivers automatically hit the ground running was a bad plan. 
 

2. Howie Roseman’s explanation of the Eagles’ process during a conference call last week with reporters was reasonable. This is considered a historic draft for wide receiver talent, so why not wait to address that position?

But what are the real odds that the Eagles find a player who can perform as a legit No. 1 or No. 2 wide receiver in 2020? Using Sportradar, here’s a look at the average production of teams’ No. 1 and No. 2 wide receivers from 2019. The Eagles were the only team without a No. 1 wide receiver who had at least 500 yards. They were one of five teams without a No. 2 wide receiver who had at least 400 yards.

Avg. league-wide WR production in 2019

	AVERAGE PRODUCTION
WR1	1,021 yards
WR2	668 yards

 

Using those numbers as benchmarks, we can examine the likelihood of finding a rookie who can immediately produce like a No. 1 or No. 2 wide receiver. Since 2015, 39 wide receivers have been selected in the first or second round. On average, those players have produced 459 receiving yards as rookies.

Just three of the 39 (7.7 percent) — Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper and A.J. Brown — produced as an average No. 1 wide receiver. Ten of 39 (25.6 percent) produced as an average No. 2 wide receiver.

This is not fancy math or a complex statistical model, but hopefully it gets the point across: It's a lot harder to find a productive No. 1 or No. 2 wide receiver who contributes immediately than most people think. Teams that are counting on finding a starting wide receiver in the draft are taking a big gamble.

Roseman tried to sell the idea that the Eagles like their current wide receivers more than the public. I'm not sure I believe that. The team may have a plan to add someone in the months ahead, but there are far fewer options available now than a couple of weeks ago.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, I saw this. It'll be interesting to see what route they take with him. He could play and just body-catch, so the team would have to be on the same page with his compromised ability until he's fully healthy. 

Frankly if he wasn’t wide receiver or quarterback or running back I think he probably be out there playing sooner rather than later. Since he’s a wide receiver I find it super hard if that thing isn’t fully healed that he’s gonna be comfortable catching the ball and not reaggravated that injury

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

I dont want to get into name calling or trying to be a comedian. Truth of the matter ,wentz is currently not a good QB

As if QBs have never gone through bad play before. 

That's on the coaches s well , IMO.

If he's "not coachable" they shouldn't have extended him.

I highly doubt that's the case.

Hell, I'm actually interested to see Winston after finally getting his eyes fixed. (HTF one goes that long without doing so is another convo) 😂

Agree Wentz playing terrible right now, and it's easily the worst he's ever played.

I'll be worried if it doesn't get corrected this season, but then that again goes back to the coaching too.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Gunner was reported they thought he could be back in two weeks. 

They still have tomorrow. Possibly could be putting him on IR and calling up 3 PS'ers

Watching ESPN and Drew Brees is ranked 34th in YPA on the season at 4.38.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly if he wasn’t wide receiver or quarterback or running back I think he probably be out there playing sooner rather than later. Since he’s a wide receiver I find it super hard if that thing isn’t fully healed that he’s gonna be comfortable catching the ball and not reaggravated that injury

If it's on a splint and wrapped, would be difficult to "reaggravate it" right?   Those type of injuries come from irregular movement/motion of the thumb?  ...so if the thumb "can't move" I would think it would be somewhat safe to play with?   Biggest risk would be if he fell hard on it and used that hand to shield himself, etc?.  Just a guess. 🤷‍♂️

Just now, Ace Nova said:

If it's on a splint and wrapped, would be difficult to "reaggravate it" right?   Those type of injuries come from irregular movement/motion of the thumb?  ...so if the thumb "can't move" I would think it would be somewhat safe to play with?   Biggest risk would be if he fell hard on it and used that hand to shield himself, etc?.  Just a guess. 🤷‍♂️

You also could get hit on It an even with a splint on and do damage. I’m guessing with a splint on going to make it harder to catch a ball. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You also could get hit on It an even with a splint on and do damage. I’m guessing with a splint on going to make it harder to catch a ball. 

Yeah, I guess.  We need the blog's medical expert @HazletonEagle to weigh in on this.  

22 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

As if QBs have never gone through bad play before. 

That's on the coaches s well , IMO.

If he's "not coachable" they shouldn't have extended him.

I highly doubt that's the case.

Hell, I'm actually interested to see Winston after finally getting his eyes fixed. (HTF one goes that long without doing so is another convo) 😂

Agree Wentz playing terrible right now, and it's easily the worst he's ever played.

I'll be worried if it doesn't get corrected this season, but then that again goes back to the coaching too.

I think the problem that’s not being discussed on here nearly enough is how poor the wide receiver group looks yet again besides wentz struggles. DeSean Jackson is a good player. Reagor look solid for a rookie and probably should’ve had better statistics If wentz was better. But after that the rest of the wide receivers are not very good. Greg Ward can’t get on the field enough because you’re in 12 personnel nearly 70 percent of the time and he’s not good enough to win battles consistently on the outside. JJAW is a bust so far. Hightower is a 6th round rookie. And Watkins is hurt and a sixth round rookie. and don’t give me well Goodwin would’ve been the difference goodwin hasn’t been good in three years and he’s injury prone

not going to say Carson Wentz has played well because he has not. But yet again the Eagles find themselves in a position with the wide receivers not being good enough. Who would’ve thought that running out three rookies, ward, Jjaw and Desean Jackson wouldn’t be good enough and without an actual real offseason? Added bonus the most Game reps Carson Wentz had with this entire wide receiving group Heading into the year was with JJaw and Greg Ward. 

Seems to me this is something contributing to the horrible start

Wentz was spotted leaving practice today with his new hunting dog:

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the problem that’s not being discussed on here nearly enough is how poor the wide receiver group looks yet again besides wentz struggles. DeSean Jackson is a good player. Reagor look solid for a rookie and probably should’ve had better statistics If wentz was better. But after that the rest of the wide receivers are not very good. Greg Ward can’t get on the field enough because you’re in 12 personnel nearly 70 percent of the time and he’s not good enough to win battles consistently on the outside. JJAW is a bust so far. Hightower is a 6th round rookie. And Watkins is hurt and a sixth round rookie. and don’t give me well Goodwin would’ve been the difference goodwin hasn’t been good in three years and he’s injury prone

not going to say Carson Wentz has played well because he has not. But yet again the Eagles find themselves in a position with the wide receivers not being good enough. Who would’ve thought that running out three rookies, ward, Jjaw and Desean Jackson wouldn’t be good enough and without an actual real offseason? Added bonus the most Game reps Carson Wentz had with this entire wide receiving group Heading into the year was with JJaw and Greg Ward. 

Seems to me this is something contributing to the horrible start

Idk.  From some of the clips I've seen from the first two games both DJax and JJAW seemed to be open (on several occasions) but not targeted.   🤷‍♂️

I mean, we can blame the WR's all we want but if they are getting open but not targeted, how is it their fault?

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Idk.  From some of the clips I've seen from the first two games both DJax and JJAW seemed to be open (on several occasions) but not targeted.   🤷‍♂️

I mean, we can blame the WR's all we want but if they are getting open but not targeted, how is it their fault?

This^^

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Idk.  From some of the clips I've seen from the first two games both DJax and JJAW seemed to be open (on several occasions) but not targeted.   🤷‍♂️

I mean, we can blame the WR's all we want but if they are getting open but not targeted, how is it their fault?

I will point out on that interception and it was discussed at length by caplan and mosher and solak and kist and even Berman Jjaw also didn’t run a good route. That’s why the corner was also able to make a play on it besides a late bad throw by wentz. Both of those things can be true

additionally I’ve watched all 22 they were arent as open as you think they are. JJAW  has been open maybe 3-4 times so those two or three times is going to make up for the difference of the fact he’s been bad on the other 90% of those routes is running? It makes up for Hightower and reagor running poor routes on interceptions as well? Carson definitely poor throws  just as much those receivers ran poor routes. It could totally be both. However you have some sort of agenda what do you think it’s just Carson Wentz.

I will point out they have the worst wide receiving corps in the NFL. Go look around the league they have the worst. And it’s not even debatable. Ok the jets might have worse and eagles aren’t far behind 

Like Carson deserves to be criticize. However you having Jjaw playing a significant amount of snaps is beyond idiotic. This goes straight back to the Mack hollins crap last year  There’s a reason why Hollins was never getting targeted because he wasn’t good.  Maybe he’s not being targeted because Carson Wentz thinks he Fing sucks and doesn’t trust him to catch the ball. Add on DeSean Jackson he’s on the sidelines for "load management” for large stretches of the game. I find it funny that everyone seems to leave these type of things out. So desean Jackson is only playing 70%. Reagor who’s a rookie who probably shouldn’t be playing as much as he is, is yout leading guy that is bad maneuvering of your wide receiver position. Again go show me a team around the NFL that has lousy wide receivers or trusting just rookies out there.

Literally the Eagles might have the worst wide receiver course in the entire division and that includes Washington who only has mclaurin.