2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Of course both feet got down. But only 1 came down in the end zone. The other most certainly did not. 

If anyone has a clip I'd love to see it. I haven't seen it since the game broadcast and I remember saying dude is landing out of bounds anyway as the throw was late.

I'm not so sure though seems to be conflicting opinions 

Not in bounds, but just a brutal attempt to catch it. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not in bounds, but just a brutal attempt to catch it. 

Yup looks like would have only got 1 foot in.

Also not sure why Wentz hesitates doesn't launch the ball runs from minimal inside pressure from a double teamed DL then rolls to his left and launches to hightower.

Maybe he felt he couldn't step into the throw or thought it would get batted, seems to me he could have thrown from that spot I stead of rolling away which would have given hightower plenty of room to stay in, had he actually caught it😒

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Lol gotta love it when players respond to people on social media 

I'm gonna go with the guy in on that play and say it wasn't cover 2 

Gerry screwed up, no reason for gerry to bite up on a 5 yard route then get turned around and try to recover deep. Drop deep at the snap give up the 5 yard completion and tackle him way in front of the sticks. Football 101 and Gerry who the coaches keep telling us is so smart played that like he's still adding on his fingers. Just bone headed stuff by gerry.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This goes right back to my argument yesterday people have unrealistic expectations and views for QB play being down 4 starting olineman, down your two best WRs, down arguably your best tight end and a late round rookie, two practice squad WRs and JJAW. Like you aren’t getting perfect QBing with all that going on unless maybe mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and possibly Lamar.

The sad reality is wentz could have made a better throw except his oline isn’t very good (7 blockers couldn’t get the job down against 3 rushers in this game) Hightower didn’t even catch the ball And say whatever you want I’ve seen wide receivers around the league making catches like that. Thomas, jackson and Herremans on their podcast all grilled him about not catching that and as well as he’s mess up not going out of bounds. So former players are telling you that speaks volumes. 

I want to make a distinction between blame and being a problem.  I would argue that the former should not apply to Wentz, but the later does.  Wentz in year 2 looked like a generational talent.  He was Mahomes 1 year before Mahomes.  He was smart, had a great attitude, the best young arm talent in the NFL, could make every throw, had an elite frame, great athleticism...one could go on and on.

Now, let's cut the bull crap...SINCE 2017, Wentz has done nothing.  Spare me the "he put the team on his back and carried them to the playoffs" cliche.  That happened against horrible competition on the back half and earns the "doing just enough to get by with no help" participation trophy.

Is any of that Wentz' fault?  No.  Most, almost all of it, is not.  Any high end QB likely would not have managed any better, maybe worse.

But in 2020, we are where we are and Wentz is what he is.  If you take a brilliant 10 year old, tear the pages out of his textbooks, put him in a horrible school, and make him focus on his acting career...chances are you'll have a moron by the time he turns 22.  If you have a $800 bottle of wine and leave it in a 120 degree warehouse for the summer, then put it in your wine cellar, that bottle will be worse than your properly stored garden variety red blend.  What I'm getting at is that the Eagles are actively ruining Wentz and we can already see the results.  I don't know if we've passed the point of no return, but we are getting there.  We've got a 27 year old QB who cannot make multiple reads from the pocket, cannot release the ball quickly, cannot consistently make mechanically solid and accurate throws.  And I guarantee you; he's been forced to play this way for long enough that the switch won't magically go back on when he gets weapons and a better OL...just as that sour wine won't taste right and that 22 year old wont magically have a college education.

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I don't think hightower lands in bounds even if he catches it as the throw led him out. A tad earlier and hightower isn't trying to toe tap in the back of the end zone on an over the shoulder leaping grab. Still should have caught it but I  doubt he lands in bounds. If anyone can post a screen shot or replay to check that would be helpful.

The play where hightower didn't go out of bounds or get the first down was a mental error that cost the team a timeout and potential FG.

Having said that Carson's o line especially without Lane really blows and Carson still needs to be better.

Yup on both aspect. Down 4 lineman is hard to win in this league and it’s going to make even elite QBs have some struggles. The fact people believe just any other QB playing better than wentz right now (Besides the 4 i mentioned) would just be playing great or have this offense playing at a high level is a fallacy. This offense as currently constituted would be hard for even Rodgers, mahomes and Wilson to just be consistently scoring 30 points week in and week out. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

McLeod definitely seems annoyed every time a Gerry/LB mistake gets put on him. Not sure what to make of that because it's not like he says, "We gotta be better." It's more like "Nah man, wasn't me."

16 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If anyone has a clip I'd love to see it. I haven't seen it since the game broadcast and I remember saying dude is landing out of bounds anyway as the throw was late.

I'm not so sure though seems to be conflicting opinions 

I just made this

@downundermike

Just now, Utebird said:

Gerry screwed up, no reason for gerry to bite up on a 5 yard route then get turned around and try to recover deep. 

And McLeod screwed up knowing the coverage, knowing what Robey Coleman told him was coming and not calling a time out knowing Gerry was not going to be able to handle the coverage 1 on 1.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I want to make a distinction between blame and being a problem.  I would argue that the former should not apply to Wentz, but the later does.  Wentz in year 2 looked like a generational talent.  He was Mahomes 1 year before Mahomes.  He was smart, had a great attitude, the best young arm talent in the NFL, could make every throw, had an elite frame, great athleticism...one could go on and on.

Now, let's cut the bull crap...SINCE 2017, Wentz has done nothing.  Spare me the "he put the team on his back and carried them to the playoffs" cliche.  That happened against horrible competition on the back half and earns the "doing just enough to get by with no help" participation trophy.

Is any of that Wentz' fault?  No.  Most, almost all of it, is not.  Any high end QB likely would not have managed any better, maybe worse.

But in 2020, we are where we are and Wentz is what he is.  If you take a brilliant 10 year old, tear the pages out of his textbooks, put him in a horrible school, and make him focus on his acting career...chances are you'll have a moron by the time he turns 22.  If you have a $800 bottle of wine and leave it in a 120 degree warehouse for the summer, then put it in your wine cellar, that bottle will be worse than your properly stored garden variety red blend.  What I'm getting at is that the Eagles are actively ruining Wentz and we can already see the results.  I don't know if we've passed the point of no return, but we are getting there.  We've got a 27 year old QB who cannot make multiple reads from the pocket, cannot release the ball quickly, cannot consistently make mechanically solid and accurate throws.  And I guarantee you; he's been forced to play this way for long enough that the switch won't magically go back on when he gets weapons and a better OL...just as that sour wine won't taste right and that 22 year old wont magically have a college education.

Your argument also should include the last 3 years we’ve been plagued by injuries all over the field. As well as poor roster construction. Hard to know what the true wentz is when really only 2017 we’ve had a roster around him for most of the season that was good enough to compete for a SB. He’s not wilson, mahomes and Rodgers because they can make almost any roster a SB contender. The 2018 season the defense was trash up until the last month of the year and offensively besides foles texans and rams game (where we ran the ball well) game the offense was still not great. 

I’m not going to give you the crap at the end of the year cause that was always fools gold to me based on the schedule. 

i do Think it’s hard to judge what wentz ultimately is because of things not in his power And some where he adjusted to what’s going on around him like you pointed out. I don’t think mahomes would look as great as he does in KC if you took away 4 olineman, hill and hardman from that offense. Would he be good still? Yes but I don’t think mvp level minus all that. That’s really hard to sustain excellence missing all those pieces. 
 

 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not in bounds, but just a brutal attempt to catch it. 

No reason to jump for that ball.

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

McLeod definitely seems annoyed every time a Gerry/LB mistake gets put on him. Not sure what to make of that because it's not like he says, "We gotta be better." It's more like "Nah man, wasn't me."

Joyner as an ex-LB will have a bias towards seeing this play through a LB eyes, instead of the actual coverage.  Gerry is just too slow to be a coverage LB and doesn’t have the instincts for it.  It’s not just this one play — it’s been on a loop and keeps repeating 

Its Howard so he's probably headed to IR

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And McLeod screwed up knowing the coverage, knowing what Robey Coleman told him was coming and not calling a time out knowing Gerry was not going to be able to handle the coverage 1 on 1.

I'm not sure the players in D under Schwartz have autonomy to call timeouts 

I can't recall a time under Schwartz I've seen a defender call a timeout unless directed to by Schwartz.

Having said that I'm not sure I call a timeout there they needed those time outs. Having gerry in the field against a 5 WR set was compacted by slay being on sideline hurt and James being in for him. 

I'm not sure Schwartz had any DBs left to put in.

They were in Dime so 6 DBs already james was the 7th active DB and I'm guessing the last so gerry seems was in there by default and the dude just screwed up by jumping the short route and letting claypool get behind him.

 

On that Hightower miss, I will say after seeing it many times while making the gif i noticed he was slightly slanting for some reason and maybe if he took a straighter path to the back line it would have dropped right in to him. 

 

 

Im not sure if you can notice it on the gif since it gets compressed and is a little choppier than live TV. His line isnt perfectly straight. He does seem to agholor this. Not just a bad judgement of hand placement, but was tracking it wrong from earlier in the route and kind of runs past it and has to twist. Shouldnt have had to.

I don’t want Le’Veon Bell and agreed with Doug’s statement that Miles is the 3-down back, but he should have stopped at that.  Going on to sing praises about Boston and Corey was worthy of the spontaneous laughter one would get telling a really good joke 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just made this

@downundermike

DB also makes contact with WR before the ball gets there, it's minimal and bang bang but the way the refs called slay for his first PI they could have easily called this PI

Looks to me that the DB carries hightowers leg and momentum out.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just made this

@downundermike

I don’t think he’s coming down in bounds regardless, but I’m curious how close he could have made it if he tried to get the second foot down. There was no reason to because of the drop. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

DB also makes contact with WR before the ball gets there, it's minimal and bang bang but the way the refs called slay for his first PI they could have easily called this PI

Looks to me that the DB carries hightowers leg and momentum out.

He’s trying to cradle the ball in there instead of high-pointing it.  Snatching it with his hands was the only chance to get a TD.  The ball landed on the ground just one foot over the end line, so it was a catch that could have been made.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t want Le’Veon Bell and agreed with Doug’s statement that Miles is the 3-down back, but he should have stopped at that.  Going on to sing praises about Boston and Corey was worthy of the spontaneous laughter one would get telling a really good joke 

Lol yeah boston and Clement especially have been bad, having said that so has the run blocking from the O line.

Having said that wouldn't mind seeing huntley get some carries. Couldn't be worse than clement and Scott at this point.

Things are trending downward admittedly, but some perspective on the job Schwartz has done here. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

DB also makes contact with WR before the ball gets there, it's minimal and bang bang but the way the refs called slay for his first PI they could have easily called this PI

Looks to me that the DB carries hightowers leg and momentum out.

Solak brought this up. If Hightower turned his body to make the catch instead of trying over the shoulder, he likely gets a DPI call.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

He’s trying to cradle the ball in there instead of high-pointing it.  Snatching it with his hands was the only chance to get a TD.  The ball landed on the ground just one foot over the end line, so it was a catch that could have been made.

It’s tough though because he has to speed to the ball and then stop almost on a dime to cleanly get two feet in bounds. It would have been very tough, but Hightower never gave himself a chance with such a poor attempt at the catch. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Solak brought this up. If Hightower turned his body to make the catch instead of trying over the shoulder, he likely gets a DPI call.

That would have been a pretty savvy move for anyone, let alone a fifth-round rookie. Hopefully Moorehead is teaching that.