Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I'd say either way, TC needs to be an open competition. No one should be handed the job next season.

Wentz and Hurts on the roster together is a recipe for disaster. Have to choose one and move forward.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

This year is the "worst case scenario." It is possible for the entire team to play better next year regardless of which QB stays or starts.

This season could be the beginning of a long turnaround. If you have two quarterbacks then you have no quarterback. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

It's a fair point. I'm not a Wentz guy obviously but I'd like to be proven wrong by seeing him with a different coach at this point. Doug and Howie need to go and Wentz contract is just too big to move on from.

Hard to simply walk away from Wentz now. Hurts has to make you question if he’s ready to be the guy right now. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Wentz and Hurts on the roster together is a recipe for disaster. Have to choose one and move forward.

I'm not necessarily saying an open comp between those 2. But regardless if it is those 2, or one or the other, and someone else, no one should be handed the job.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Hard to simply walk away from Wentz now. Hurts has to make you question if he’s ready to be the guy right now. 

Unfortunately everything is a question mark with the entire organization right now.

7 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

No excuses for the kid, but the frustrating part is it just clouds this off-season even more. I’m not saying this proves he can’t play, but it does prevent the Eagles from simply moving on from Wentz. Worst case scenario is both quarterbacks back next season. 

Disagree.  Hurts' play has nothing to do with the question on Wentz.  Carson's lack of performance is why he should be gone.

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I'm not necessarily saying an open comp between those 2. But regardless if it is those 2, or one or the other, and someone else, no one should be handed the job.

Wentz doesn't handle those situations well. It's not a coincidence that he had his best season post 2017 when the backup was someone who wasn't a threat to his job.

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You will certainly get more for Carson, but you will also have to deal with the cap ramifications. Ultimately this team needs a rebuild anyway. 

The cap hit would be part of my evaluation of the offers.  I just see nothing that sways me to say either is the man going forward.  I think Wentz has a higher ceiling but will he reach it again ?  I think Hurts has a higher floor meaning I don’t think he will have a season as low as Carson did this year.  Bad games sure but don’t think bad seasons will happen. 
 

My biggest red flags with hurts and going forward with him is the fumbling issue (wentz has same issue) and him disappearing in the second half of all his starts. The second flag is a major concern as teams see him they are able to adjust and currently he has no answers for those adjustments. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Wentz doesn't handle those situations well. It's not a coincidence that he had his best season post 2017 when the backup was someone who wasn't a threat to his job.

Ok, but that doesn't change what I'm saying.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Wentz doesn't handle those situations well. It's not a coincidence that he had his best season post 2017 when the backup was someone who wasn't a threat to his job.

When is that ever true? In 2017 we had Foles. Foles had starting NFL experience and some success (Pro Bowl) on his resume.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Wentz and Hurts on the roster together is a recipe for disaster. Have to choose one and move forward.

Let's say its Hurts. Do you really think Doug and his clown car of offensive yes men will be the best people to develop him. I really Doug needs to be canned and let the new headcoach decide on the QB.

4 minutes ago, phil77 said:

The cap hit would be part of my evaluation of the offers.  I just see nothing that sways me to say either is the man going forward.  I think Wentz has a higher ceiling but will he reach it again ?  I think Hurts has a higher floor meaning I don’t think he will have a season as low as Carson did this year.  Bad games sure but don’t think bad seasons will happen. 
 

My biggest red flags with hurts and going forward with him is the fumbling issue (wentz has same issue) and him disappearing in the second half of all his starts. The second flag is a major concern as teams see him they are able to adjust and currently he has no answers for those adjustments. 

Second half adjustments could be on more than just Hurts. It could also be a coaching issue as well, but it’s not a good look how much he seems to fall off in the second half of games. Neither Carson nor Jalen are making me comfortable about the quarterback position right now. 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

When is that ever true? In 2017 we had Foles. Foles had starting NFL experience and some success (Pro Bowl) on his resume.

2018 after Foles won the SB and 2020 after they drafted a QB in the 2nd round which Schefter said bothered him. Next.....

24 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

When is that ever true? In 2017 we had Foles. Foles had starting NFL experience and some success (Pro Bowl) on his resume.

Foles was never a realistic option to compete, much less win the starting job in 2017.

 

It would have been moot anyway since he missed time that preseason with a shoulder issue.

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Foles was never a realistic option to compete, much less win the starting job in 2017.

 

It would have been moot anyway since he missed time that preseason with a shoulder issue.

Wentz wasn't even supposed to start in 2016. In 2017, we couldn't get rid of Chase Daniel fast enough and get Foles back when the opportunity presented itself. He absolutely was viewed as an insurance policy if Wentz faltered. 

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Wentz wasn't even supposed to start in 2016. In 2017, we couldn't get rid of Chase Daniel fast enough and get Foles back when the opportunity presented itself. He absolutely was viewed as an insurance policy if Wentz faltered. 

But Foles was never realistically competing for the job.

37 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

But Foles was never realistically competing for the job.

Can't deny that but you can't deny having Foles in after 2018 season and trading Wentz for 3 first would have looked quite good too 🙂

though hindsight is 20/20. If we could call it right each time we would be GMs in this League.

The happiest Eagles today must be Wentz. I guess he's going to get his job back.

5 minutes ago, Sturm said:

Can't deny that but you can't deny having Foles in after 2018 season and trading Wentz for 3 first would have looked quite good too 🙂

though hindsight is 20/20. If we could call it right each time we would be GMs in this League.

I don't know we get 3 1st for Wentz after 2018 though. I know some of his numbers looked good, but overall, he just didn't look that great, and he finished with another injury.

Foles also has never looked like a dominant player when he's started a season from the beginning. He's always been best in relief.

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I don't know we get 3 1st for Wentz after 2018 though. I know some of his numbers looked good, but overall, he just didn't look that great, and he finished with another injury.

Foles also has never looked like a dominant player when he's started a season from the beginning. He's always been best in relief.

You are right 3 first is a bit much but still the starting asking price is there and come down. Honestly what you saw some players getting lately at least 2 first is bottom level.

I wasn't saying Foles was the answer but Foles just fit better with good players around him. He is not "god" but he was good enough for us at least.

Not a Wentz hater just never was a huge fan of him. Never saw that "it" factor everyone else did. Maybe that is why I am not a GM lol

11 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

The happiest Eagles today must be Wentz. I guess he's going to get his job back.

Nope.  Hurts starts next week.  That is what the higher powers wanted.

2 minutes ago, Sturm said:

You are right 3 first is a bit much but still the starting asking price is there and come down. Honestly what you saw some players getting lately at least 2 first is bottom level.

I wasn't saying Foles was the answer but Foles just fit better with good players around him. He is not "god" but he was good enough for us at least.

Not a Wentz hater just never was a huge fan of him. Never saw that "it" factor everyone else did. Maybe that is why I am not a GM lol

I've always liked Wentz, but I've also had a skeptical eye on him since the knee injury. He's certainly had his moments where he's thrown some balls that make you go "wow", but I don't feel he's just been consistently good. I guess it's for that reason, I generally don't give people a hard time that just aren't members of his fan club. As long as it's fair, I won't kill those who criticize him.

16 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

The happiest Eagles today must be Wentz. I guess he's going to get his job back.

No, some of the happiest are right here on this board. They love wentz and they were just waiting for Hurts to have a bad game.....smh

Wentz is so bad he won’t get his job back 

7 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I've always liked Wentz, but I've also had a skeptical eye on him since the knee injury. He's certainly had his moments where he's thrown some balls that make you go "wow", but I don't feel he's just been consistently good. I guess it's for that reason, I generally don't give people a hard time that just aren't members of his fan club. As long as it's fair, I won't kill those who criticize him.

Sadly a good ball every once in a while that wow factor was done by even Sammy Sleeves. One of the things I like a lot is leadership in a QB and I just never saw Wentz as an Alpha. This was before the reports and when the team built that damn shrine for Foles just felt awkward too. And I like Foles a lot but even I was like kkkkkk.

I want Wentz to be good because he is our QB I really do. He had that spark in 2017 and we have seen that spark before Foles and Vick and McNabb. All to often we see a good QB have an amazing year and just fall off a cliff. Happens to the Eagles to often. - At least we got a ring recently. Cost us 10 years of crap but a good price to pay for the Devil.