6 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

No, some of the happiest are right here on this board. They love wentz and they were just waiting for Hurts to have a bad game.....smh

I would love for Wentz to be the guy we drafted him to be. I think he can be that guy in the NFL. I don't know if it will be here. I actually find it unlikely following the circumstances that brought us to today. Most of all, I wanted to win today and next week and get into the playoffs, getting all the players some post-season experience at the very least. 

However, since QB benching was brought to the table this season, I would have benched Hurts before the end of the 3rd quarter to "spark the team." At this point, I trust Wentz more than Hurts, coming from behind in games where the season is on the line? Why? Because he did that last year vs the same crap division, and

9 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 10 Game-Winning Drives

Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
1	2016	9	2016-11-13	23-319	PHI		ATL	W 24-15	25	36	69.44	231	0	0	86.7	6.42	6.42	4	10	2.50	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
2	2017	3	2017-09-24	24-268	PHI		NYG	W 27-24	21	31	67.74	176	1	0	92.9	5.68	6.32	6	22	3.67	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
3	2018	3	2018-09-23	25-267	PHI		IND	W 20-16	25	37	67.57	255	1	1	84.9	6.89	6.22	3	10	3.33	0	4QC / GWD
4	2018	11	2018-11-25	25-330	PHI		NYG	W 25-22	20	28	71.43	236	1	0	108.6	8.43	9.14	2	-2	-1.00	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
5	2019	4	2019-09-26	26-270	PHI	@	GNB	W 34-27	16	27	59.26	160	3	0	113.2	5.93	8.15	6	13	2.17	0	GWD
6	2019	13	2019-12-09	26-344	PHI		NYG	W 23-17	33	50	66.00	325	2	0	97.5	6.50	7.30	5	9	1.80	0	4QC / GWD
7	2019	14	2019-12-15	26-350	PHI	@	WAS	W 37-27	30	43	69.77	266	3	0	109.3	6.19	7.58	3	9	3.00	0	4QC / GWD
8	2019	16	2019-12-29	26-364	PHI	@	NYG	W 34-17	23	40	57.50	289	1	0	88.4	7.23	7.73	3	15	5.00	0	GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
9	2020	3	2020-09-27	27-272	PHI		CIN	T 23-23	29	47	61.70	225	1	2	62.8	4.79	3.30	9	65	7.22	1	4QC
10	2020	4	2020-10-04	27-279	PHI	@	SFO	W 25-20	18	28	64.29	193	1	1	81.4	6.89	6.00	7	37	5.29	1	4QC / GWD
11	2020	7	2020-10-22	27-297	PHI		NYG	W 22-21	25	43	58.14	359	2	1	91.1	8.35	8.23	7	14	2.00	1	4QC / GWD

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I would love for Wentz to be the guy we drafted him to be. I think he can be that guy in the NFL. I don't know if it will be here. I actually find it unlikely following the circumstances that brought us to today. Most of all, I wanted to win today and next week and get into the playoffs, getting all the players some post-season experience at the very least. 

However, since QB benching was brought to the table this season, I would have benched Hurts before the end of the 3rd quarter to "spark the team." At this point, I trust Wentz more than Hurts, coming from behind in games where the season is on the line? Why? Because he did that last year vs the same crap division, and

9 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 10 Game-Winning Drives

Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
1	2016	9	2016-11-13	23-319	PHI		ATL	W 24-15	25	36	69.44	231	0	0	86.7	6.42	6.42	4	10	2.50	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
2	2017	3	2017-09-24	24-268	PHI		NYG	W 27-24	21	31	67.74	176	1	0	92.9	5.68	6.32	6	22	3.67	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
3	2018	3	2018-09-23	25-267	PHI		IND	W 20-16	25	37	67.57	255	1	1	84.9	6.89	6.22	3	10	3.33	0	4QC / GWD
4	2018	11	2018-11-25	25-330	PHI		NYG	W 25-22	20	28	71.43	236	1	0	108.6	8.43	9.14	2	-2	-1.00	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
5	2019	4	2019-09-26	26-270	PHI	@	GNB	W 34-27	16	27	59.26	160	3	0	113.2	5.93	8.15	6	13	2.17	0	GWD
6	2019	13	2019-12-09	26-344	PHI		NYG	W 23-17	33	50	66.00	325	2	0	97.5	6.50	7.30	5	9	1.80	0	4QC / GWD
7	2019	14	2019-12-15	26-350	PHI	@	WAS	W 37-27	30	43	69.77	266	3	0	109.3	6.19	7.58	3	9	3.00	0	4QC / GWD
8	2019	16	2019-12-29	26-364	PHI	@	NYG	W 34-17	23	40	57.50	289	1	0	88.4	7.23	7.73	3	15	5.00	0	GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
9	2020	3	2020-09-27	27-272	PHI		CIN	T 23-23	29	47	61.70	225	1	2	62.8	4.79	3.30	9	65	7.22	1	4QC
10	2020	4	2020-10-04	27-279	PHI	@	SFO	W 25-20	18	28	64.29	193	1	1	81.4	6.89	6.00	7	37	5.29	1	4QC / GWD
11	2020	7	2020-10-22	27-297	PHI		NYG	W 22-21	25	43	58.14	359	2	1	91.1	8.35	8.23	7	14	2.00	1	4QC / GWD

No offense but that argument is really weak and throwing in "to spark the team" into your sentence makes it that much weaker. After thirteen games THIS season....what makes you think wentz would have done that today??? Like it or not, from what we have all seen, this offense just looks alot better with Hurts under center. I am going to say this one last time since a few can't seem to even grasp this concept but we still do NOT know if Hurts will be the future of this team, especially not after just three games. It is not realistic to say what he will be without a full preseason and a whole season to be able to measure whether he is that guy or not. Alot of us saw this as a losing season around the 10th game this year to say we could at least see what the rookie could do for the last few games. We also added that just maybe he could provide that spark to jumpstart the offense. Guess what? It actually looked that way even though two of those games were lost. The rookie had a bad game...we knew it would happen sooner or later. But at least the offense looks alot different when he is under center and he DOES appear to at least look competent managing the games, which is what a few of us wanted. 

After 13 games this season, I have no more faith in wentz....period. I simply do not think there is anything wrong with that. If you are a wentz fan, so be it but please don't pull out any kind of stats to justify continuing wentz based on past stats......its an unfair argument

1 minute ago, GeorgeM37 said:

No offense but that argument is really weak and throwing in "to spark the team" into your sentence makes it that much weaker. After thirteen games THIS season....what makes you think wentz would have done that today??? Like it or not, from what we have all seen, this offense just looks alot better with Hurts under center. I am going to say this one last time since a few can't seem to even grasp this concept but we still do NOT know if Hurts will be the future of this team, especially not after just three games. It is not realistic to say what he will be without a full preseason and a whole season to be able to measure whether he is that guy or not. Alot of us saw this as a losing season around the 10th game this year to say we could at least see what the rookie could do for the last few games. We also added that just maybe he could provide that spark to jumpstart the offense. Guess what? It actually looked that way even though two of those games were lost. The rookie had a bad game...we knew it would happen sooner or later. But at least the offense looks alot different when he is under center and he DOES appear to at least look competent managing the games, which is what a few of us wanted. 

After 13 games this season, I have no more faith in wentz....period. I simply do not think there is anything wrong with that. If you are a wentz fan, so be it but please don't pull out any kind of stats to justify continuing wentz based on past stats......its an unfair argument

Claiming Hurts sparked the offense the game he replaced Wentz is equally weak. Since that spark included changing to "up-tempo" which had provided a spark for our offense every time we employed that tactic this year with Wentz. Now, Hurts did show some nice things in his opportunity as a starter. Regardless of those things, we were reminded over and over that it is still a team sport no matter what. I stand by what I said. The coach brought benching the QB to spark the team to the table a few weeks ago. It should have still been on the table. This game was looking very much like week 1 when we had a big lead early and then blew it when our defense struggled and our offense faltered. With playoffs very much on the line, we should have gone with experience and made the change. 

You asked after 13 games, what made me think Wentz could have done that today? Numbers 9, 10, and 11 on that graphic. You're entitled to your opinion, but Wentz has had his best moments over the last 2 years in those very situations. I clearly can't guarantee you the result would have been different had the move been made, but I can guarantee you that Hurts didn't get it done today. 

A lot of people argued that Wentz could learn from this benching --- that he could take a back seat, gain hunger, be motivated to perform better, etc... But it's clear that wasn't really what they wanted. They wanted him out, period. He needed to be the fall guy for this season.

At this point, the season is lost and there's no reason to play Wentz unless Hurts gets hurt, but holy crap, with the season on the line (today) and the rookie struggling to get the job done, turn to your franchise QB and give him a chance to salvage the season before it's too late and prove that you made the right move to bench him when you did. 

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Claiming Hurts sparked the offense the game he replaced Wentz is equally weak. Since that spark included changing to "up-tempo" which had provided a spark for our offense every time we employed that tactic this year with Wentz. Now, Hurts did show some nice things in his opportunity as a starter. Regardless of those things, we were reminded over and over that it is still a team sport no matter what. I stand by what I said. The coach brought benching the QB to spark the team to the table a few weeks ago. It should have still been on the table. This game was looking very much like week 1 when we had a big lead early and then blew it when our defense struggled and our offense faltered. With playoffs very much on the line, we should have gone with experience and made the change. 

You asked after 13 games, what made me think Wentz could have done that today? Numbers 9, 10, and 11 on that graphic. You're entitled to your opinion, but Wentz has had his best moments over the last 2 years in those very situations. I clearly can't guarantee you the result would have been different had the move been made, but I can guarantee you that Hurts didn't get it done today. 

A lot of people argued that Wentz could learn from this benching --- that he could take a back seat, gain hunger, be motivated to perform better, etc... But it's clear that wasn't really what they wanted. They wanted him out, period. He needed to be the fall guy for this season.

At this point, the season is lost and there's no reason to play Wentz unless Hurts gets hurt, but holy crap, with the season on the line (today) and the rookie struggling to get the job done, turn to your franchise QB and give him a chance to salvage the season before it's too late and prove that you made the right move to bench him when you did. 

You are absolutely right when you said its my opinion because I stand by what I said also so we agree to disagree. I totally disagree with going back to wentz and stand by that....you can bring graphs and stats all you want but I have seen enough of him in five years to with confidence say that he is what he is and this team looks better with Hurts as the QB....this is my opinion

We already KNOW Hurts didn't get it done today...especially since all a few of you did was point out every single mistake the rookie made. I also said they should have benched way sooner and just maybe, the record would be a little different. It doesn't matter now....alot of people got what they wanted.....for the rookie to have a bad game. You and whoever else can say what you want but that's exactly what people were saying...without saying exactly that....to happen....again, my opinion

Doesn't matter, season is lost....your opinion is yours and mine is mine.....so we agree to disagree

But what I am NOT going to do is try and validate my opinion and what I think.....

I hope today's proformance remind everyone that 2 games is a small sample size. I think Jalen will be great but I think we need a new coach and new offense and let that new coach pick Jalen or Carson. Carson is allowed to have a bad season under Doug's bad offense. I think let them battle it out because I expected both of them to fail under this offense 

5 hours ago, opa-opa said:

The happiest Eagles today must be Wentz. I guess he's going to get his job back.

He's probably happy because he knows he is one game away from getting away from the trash organization.  

Welcome back to QB purgatory!

17 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He's probably happy because he knows he is one game away from getting away from the trash organization.  

 

Yup. Wentz is too nice a guy to say he hates it here but uh ... he hates it here. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

A lot of people argued that Wentz could learn from this benching --- that he could take a back seat, gain hunger, be motivated to perform better, etc... But it's clear that wasn't really what they wanted. They wanted him out, period. He needed to be the fall guy for this season.

This is a great point and so accurate.  And, if I am Wentz, I let them sleep in that bed, force a trade, and leave this team in cap hell with a limited talent at QB1.  I love the Eagles, but they botched this whole thing in so many ways.

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Yup. Wentz is too nice a guy to say he hates it here but uh ... he hates it here. 

And I don't blame him.  He hasn't played well this year, but this organization top-to-bottom isn't exactly holding up their end either. 

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

And I don't blame him.  He hasn't played well this year, but this organization top-to-bottom isn't exactly holding up their end either. 

I think one thing we can all agree on is that organization has failed Carson Wentz.

6 hours ago, Br3 said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that organization has failed Carson Wentz.

How?

Giving him $100 million contract?  Using high draft picks on LT, RB, WR, TE?  Continually reinforcing he was the starter after Foles won the SB, and won a playoff game the following year?  Defending his mistakes this year and blaming O line, receivers and even their own coaching?  

You can argue failures in offensive coaching positions, play calling, draft picks not working out but those things affect the whole team.  The organization invested in Carson and tried to obtain high draft picks on offense to surround him.  They aren't trying to set him up for failure, but they are failing.  The intent isn't to "fail" Carson Wentz.  

The team needs to be blown up starting with a new GM.  And there's plenty of blame to go around, but Wentz played really bad this year and that's just a fact.  He was great in his first 2 years, pretty good the next 2 and awful this year.  

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

How?

Giving him $100 million contract?  Using high draft picks on LT, RB, WR, TE?  Continually reinforcing he was the starter after Foles won the SB, and won a playoff game the following year?  Defending his mistakes this year and blaming O line, receivers and even their own coaching?  

You can argue failures in offensive coaching positions, play calling, draft picks not working out but those things affect the whole team.  The organization invested in Carson and tried to obtain high draft picks on offense to surround him.  They aren't trying to set him up for failure, but they are failing.  The intent isn't to "fail" Carson Wentz.  

The team needs to be blown up starting with a new GM.  And there's plenty of blame to go around, but Wentz played really bad this year and that's just a fact.  He was great in his first 2 years, pretty good the next 2 and awful this year.  

This is the problem with these wentz lovers, even with all that you have mentioned (and quite eloquently, I might add) they still refuse to have him have any kind of accountability for his piss poor play this year. I have seen ONE person on this board admit to just plain flat out not liking Hurts and wanted him to fail...he actually admitted it. I would rather these people have that kind of honesty then to keeping use the excuse of better draft picks for why they would rather the Eagles lose with Hurts under center. In my humble opinion, thats just no fan at all of the Eagles and just being fans of Wentz. 

Again, this is just me but I will never root for the Eagles to lose....thats just not being a fan but I digress, my opinion is not what determines who and who is not a fan of the Eagles. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

How?

Giving him $100 million contract?  Using high draft picks on LT, RB, WR, TE?  Continually reinforcing he was the starter after Foles won the SB, and won a playoff game the following year?  Defending his mistakes this year and blaming O line, receivers and even their own coaching?  

You can argue failures in offensive coaching positions, play calling, draft picks not working out but those things affect the whole team.  The organization invested in Carson and tried to obtain high draft picks on offense to surround him.  They aren't trying to set him up for failure, but they are failing.  The intent isn't to "fail" Carson Wentz.  

The team needs to be blown up starting with a new GM.  And there's plenty of blame to go around, but Wentz played really bad this year and that's just a fact.  

 

1 hour ago, GeorgeM37 said:

This is the problem with these wentz lovers, even with all that you have mentioned (and quite eloquently, I might add) they still refuse to have him have any kind of accountability for his piss poor play this year. I have seen ONE person on this board admit to just plain flat out not liking Hurts and wanted him to fail...he actually admitted it. I would rather these people have that kind of honesty then to keeping use the excuse of better draft picks for why they would rather the Eagles lose with Hurts under center. In my humble opinion, thats just no fan at all of the Eagles and just being fans of Wentz. 

LOL at "Wentz lover.” You can’t say anything on these boards without being labeled. I’ve been a passenger on the Hurts Train ever since they put him in the GB game and watched how his play seems to elevate the guys around him, something I really haven’t seen from Wentz. Hurts also gives this team the best chance to win because Wentz has been flat out abysmal this year. I mean just a god awful display of football for 12 weeks, often times not even resembling an NFL qb.  However, for as terrible as Carson has been in 2020 I am level headed enough to acknowledge it’s not entirely his fault. When I say the organization has failed Wentz, here’s what I mean: 

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Nelson Agholor 

Shelton Gibson

Mack Hollins

JJAW 

Reagor 

John Hightower 

Have you ever seen a bigger group of JAGS in your life? This is the group this organization has drafted for their franchise qb. Not to mention for the past few years they’ve given him the remains of Alshon Jeffery, Desean who only plays one game per year, and Greg friggin Ward. Howie Roseman is the leagues worst talent evaluator and this is the guy responsible for surrounding Wentz with talent. He needs to take a page out of Jerry Jones book: that guy knows how to surround a kid with talent. I know our secondary is decimated but that doesn’t change the fact that Dalton looked like Montana yesterday largely in part to the talent he has available at his disposal. Wentz has never had anything close to that outside of some games in 2017 but that’s it. So when I this organization has failed Wentz, I’m mainly referring to the talent hes had surrounding him. To your point the intent isn’t to fail the guy, but just because that wasn’t the intention, that doesn’t change the outcome—it’s been a complete and colossal failure. 
 

For a good majority of his career they’ve pretty much given the guy chicken **** and expected him to bake a cake. 

14 minutes ago, Br3 said:

 

LOL at "Wentz lover.” You can’t say anything on these boards without being labeled. I’ve been a passenger on the Hurts Train ever since they put him in the GB game and watched how his play seems to elevate the guys around him, something I really haven’t seen from Wentz. Hurts also gives this team the best chance to win because Wentz has been flat out abysmal this year. I mean just a god awful display of football for 12 weeks, often times not even resembling an NFL qb. There were times I watched Wentz and felt I may need to vomit. However, for as terrible as Carson has been in 2020 I am level headed enough to acknowledge it’s not entirely his fault. When I say the organization has failed Wentz, here’s what I mean: 

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Nelson Agholor 

Shelton Gibson

Mack Hollins

JJAW 

Reagor 

John Hightower 

Have you ever seen a bigger group of JAGS in your life? This is the group this organization has drafted for their franchise qb. Not to mention for the past few years they’ve given him the remains of Alshon Jeffery, Desean who only plays one game per year, and Greg friggin Ward. Howie Roseman is the leagues worst talent evaluator and this is the guy responsible for surrounding Wentz with talent. He needs to take a page out of Jerry Jones book: that guy knows how to surround a kid with talent. I know our secondary is decimated but that doesn’t change the fact that Dalton looked like Montana yesterday largely in part to the talent he has available at his disposal. Wentz has never had anything close to that outside of some games in 2017 but that’s it. So when I this organization has failed Wentz, I’m mainly referring to the talent hes had at his disposal. To your point the intent isn’t to fail the guy, but just because that wasn’t the intention, that doesn’t change the outcome—it’s been a complete and utter failure. 
 

For a good majority of his career they’ve pretty much given the guy chicken **** and expected him to bake a cake. 

 

I agree, Howie sucks at drafting.  That's not intent on failing Carson, their intent was there but execution awful.  Carson was able to play at a high, almost elite level despite that talent around him in 2017 and still played very well in the 2 years after despite some stretches.  Carson has failed himself, the coaches have failed at their jobs, lots of failure to go around.  

No one should blame only Carson, but no one should blame everything but him either.  As Kelce said, "It's the whole damn team!"  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

How?

Giving him $100 million contract?  Using high draft picks on LT, RB, WR, TE?  Continually reinforcing he was the starter after Foles won the SB, and won a playoff game the following year?  Defending his mistakes this year and blaming O line, receivers and even their own coaching?  

You can argue failures in offensive coaching positions, play calling, draft picks not working out but those things affect the whole team.  The organization invested in Carson and tried to obtain high draft picks on offense to surround him.  They aren't trying to set him up for failure, but they are failing.  The intent isn't to "fail" Carson Wentz.  

The team needs to be blown up starting with a new GM.  And there's plenty of blame to go around, but Wentz played really bad this year and that's just a fact.  He was great in his first 2 years, pretty good the next 2 and awful this year.  

No one has said this Org hasn't tried to get weapons for Wentz, but the picks they've made have failed. It doesn't really matter if Howie ignored the scouts or listened to them, a fail is a fail.

Just now, NOTW said:

 

I agree, Howie sucks at drafting.  That's not intent on failing Carson, their intent was there but execution awful.  Carson was able to play at a high, almost elite level despite that talent around him in 2017 and still played very well in the 2 years after despite some stretches.  Carson has failed himself, the coaches have failed at their jobs, lots of failure to go around.  

No one should blame only Carson, but no one should blame everything but him either.  As Kelce said, "It's the whole damn team!"  

100% agree so let me rephrase my original statement so we are all on the same page....

Since the SB, this organization has failed everyone, including the fans. 

3 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

No one has said this Org hasn't tried to get weapons for Wentz, but the picks they've made have failed. It doesn't really matter if Howie ignored the scouts or listened to them, a fail is a fail.

Agree.  But to say "the organization has failed Carson Wentz" makes it sound like an excuse, that Carson isn't responsible for his bad play and decision making.  And in that case, the organization has failed...everyone.  

4 minutes ago, Br3 said:

100% agree so let me rephrase my original statement so we are all on the same page....

Since the SB, this organization has failed everyone, including the fans. 

There you go.

Just now, NOTW said:

Agree.  But to say "the organization has failed Carson Wentz" makes it sound like an excuse, that Carson isn't responsible for his bad play and decision making.  And in that case, the organization has failed...everyone.  

Okay, I agree with this.

44 minutes ago, Br3 said:

 

LOL at "Wentz lover.” You can’t say anything on these boards without being labeled. I’ve been a passenger on the Hurts Train ever since they put him in the GB game and watched how his play seems to elevate the guys around him, something I really haven’t seen from Wentz. Hurts also gives this team the best chance to win because Wentz has been flat out abysmal this year. I mean just a god awful display of football for 12 weeks, often times not even resembling an NFL qb.  However, for as terrible as Carson has been in 2020 I am level headed enough to acknowledge it’s not entirely his fault. When I say the organization has failed Wentz, here’s what I mean: 

Jordan Matthews

Josh Huff

Nelson Agholor 

Shelton Gibson

Mack Hollins

JJAW 

Reagor 

John Hightower 

Have you ever seen a bigger group of JAGS in your life? This is the group this organization has drafted for their franchise qb. Not to mention for the past few years they’ve given him the remains of Alshon Jeffery, Desean who only plays one game per year, and Greg friggin Ward. Howie Roseman is the leagues worst talent evaluator and this is the guy responsible for surrounding Wentz with talent. He needs to take a page out of Jerry Jones book: that guy knows how to surround a kid with talent. I know our secondary is decimated but that doesn’t change the fact that Dalton looked like Montana yesterday largely in part to the talent he has available at his disposal. Wentz has never had anything close to that outside of some games in 2017 but that’s it. So when I this organization has failed Wentz, I’m mainly referring to the talent hes had surrounding him. To your point the intent isn’t to fail the guy, but just because that wasn’t the intention, that doesn’t change the outcome—it’s been a complete and colossal failure. 
 

For a good majority of his career they’ve pretty much given the guy chicken **** and expected him to bake a cake. 

You are absolutely right...you know how many times I have been called a "hater" since expressing that carson is just not the qb we all thought he was? I have also said REPEATEDLY that its not entirely his fault....not even close and for all the reasons you listed. I agree with the lack of talent and that falls on Howie. I agree with the putrid playcalling, which falls on doug. We all know the other glaring issues that are there so no need for me to keep typing them. 

A failure all the way around.....I just hope Lurie finally sees this

If we can give Wentz an elite Oline

If we can give him elite WRs

And if we can give him an elite TE like Ertz used to be....he'll take us to another SB.

 

But that's a lot of IFs

5 hours ago, opa-opa said:

If we can give Wentz an elite Oline

If we can give him elite WRs

And if we can give him an elite TE like Ertz used to be....he'll take us to another SB.

 

But that's a lot of IFs

We just need the starters on the oline to stay healthy, and DG can potentially be just as good as Ertz. 

They don't need to get Wentz elite WRs, although that would be outstanding, just above average wideouts would suffice. 

I think this off season comes down to a single decision - Wentz or Pederson.

I dont think you can keep both and expect to turn things around. Do you keep a Super Bowl winning head coach who won despite all the injuries on the team? Or do you keep the franchise QB that you paid a ton of money to?

 

 

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

I think this off season comes down to a single decision - Wentz or Pederson.

I dont think you can keep both and expect to turn things around. Do you keep a Super Bowl winning head coach who won despite all the injuries on the team? Or do you keep the franchise QB that you paid a ton of money to?

 

 

I guess it depends how much the front office believes Wentz's struggles and regression are coach related. 

I still think they go into next year with the same coaches QB and GM. 

Teams tend to struggle for a few years after winning or losing a super bowl and QBs tend to have really bad years and then bounce back. 

23 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

I agree, Howie sucks at drafting.  That's not intent on failing Carson, their intent was there but execution awful.  Carson was able to play at a high, almost elite level despite that talent around him in 2017 and still played very well in the 2 years after despite some stretches.  Carson has failed himself, the coaches have failed at their jobs, lots of failure to go around.  

No one should blame only Carson, but no one should blame everything but him either.  As Kelce said, "It's the whole damn team!"  

Spot on. Whole team is horrendous.

I think it's been good for what Hurts has done for this team when guys were hanging their heads way down. He has provided a spark. But I don't know if what Hurts ends up doing will be enough to even warrant a QB competition in 2021. Do we even want a QB competition? 

No one can deny that Wentz has the potential to outplay Hurts, but we don't know if Hurts can lead this team for the future. His sample size has been up and down, but also short lived. 

Did Howie and Doug bench Wentz to hopefully teach him a lesson and put a foot up his a**? Or have they done this to really see which QB to move forward with? We don't know. 

Wentz's contract will likely play a big role in what we do with him, I mean look what happened with Jeffery, if we could have we would've dumped him a long time ago but we would have crapped the bed in cap space. 

This team has so many problems, coaches had a bad year, players had a bad year, we have no money to spend, we have no young talent, injuries are a huge concern with this organization.