January 10, 20233 yr Biden mishandling SCI classified documents? Say it ain't so! Looks like Garland's gonna have to whip up another early morning raid.
January 10, 20233 yr "How does that happen? How anyone can be that irresponsible”” Biden said on "60 Minutes” last September. "I thought, what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? And by that, I mean, names of people who help etc., and it’s just totally irresponsible.” "Any response to the discovery of classified documents at your office?” a reporter shouted. 🤣🤣🤣
January 10, 20233 yr Just to clarify Uncle Joe's own lawyers found the docs and they then called the National Archives (who didn't even know they were missing). A much different scenario then not complying with a subpoena, resulting in a search warrant. Nothing to see here. Alright for Garland to check it out though.
January 10, 20233 yr It is shame that document security isn't a big deal. Somebody screwed up, and they should be punished.
January 10, 20233 yr 37 minutes ago, DiPros said: Just to clarify Uncle Joe's own lawyers found the docs and they then called the National Archives (who didn't even know they were missing). A much different scenario then not complying with a subpoena, resulting in a search warrant. Nothing to see here. Alright for Garland to check it out though. The core offense is the same, no matter how dramatically better Biden's team handled it.
January 10, 20233 yr 31 minutes ago, BBE said: The core offense is the same, no matter how dramatically better Biden's team handled it. Until we know the entire story, it isn’t the same.
January 10, 20233 yr 14 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Until we know the entire story, it isn’t the same. Uncontrolled classified material is exactly the same.
January 10, 20233 yr 5 minutes ago, BBE said: Uncontrolled classified material is exactly the same. Sure it is, but how it is handled or mishandled is not and right now we don’t know what happened in this case, or the other case for that matter.
January 10, 20233 yr Both cases classified information was not properly controlled and none of those that possessed it had a need to know. The average person who does that is going to jail.
January 10, 20233 yr He took them by accident, but even if he didn't, he was just bringing his work home with him, but even if that's not allowed, he declassified them before he took them, but even if he couldn't do that, they were planted by the FBI.
January 10, 20233 yr 19 minutes ago, BBE said: Both cases classified information was not properly controlled and none of those that possessed it had a need to know. The average person who does that is going to jail. Intent matters. It appears that one was done by accident. The other was definitely done on purpose. So, no the core of the cases aren't the same. Also, as WGB pointed out, we can never completely rule out the FBI planting the evidence. Or Antifa. We just don't know yet.
January 10, 20233 yr Intent does not matter. That is a construct by Comey. And for the record, I have had this stance with Clinton, Trump, and now Biden. They should all face the same repercussions as the little people with security clearances.
January 10, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, BBE said: Intent does not matter. That is a construct by Comey. And for the record, I have had this stance with Clinton, Trump, and now Biden. They should all face the same repercussions as the little people with security clearances. Trump clearly took things a step further with his intent to cover up and obstruct authorities for months on end. Also the nature of the material he was withholding was potentially damaging to national security. The repercussions he would face should be far greater because of that alone.
January 10, 20233 yr Of course, intent should also include whoever is in charge at the National Archives for not even knowing what is missing.
January 10, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Trump clearly took things a step further with his intent to cover up and obstruct authorities for months on end. Also the nature of the material he was withholding was potentially damaging to national security. The repercussions he would face should be far greater because of that alone. I agree that the list of secondary charges for Trump is voluminous. Any classified material is considered to be damaging to national security (extent of damage increases with increasing level of classification). One issue for Biden will be the length of time the materials were not controlled, the nature of the materials, and who has seen it.
January 10, 20233 yr Just now, BBE said: I agree that the list of secondary charges for Trump is voluminous. Any classified material is considered to be damaging to national security (extent of damage increases with increasing level of classification). One issue for Biden will be the length of time the materials were not controlled, the nature of the materials, and who has seen it. What Biden had won't endanger him with being investigated for violations of the espionage act or obstruction of justice.
January 10, 20233 yr The espionage act 18 U.S.C. 798 would apply to both. You are correct on obstruction.
January 10, 20233 yr There is one obscure out for Biden interestingly. If the materials returned were provided to Congress, he could use the exemption in the statute given his status as President of the Senate.
January 10, 20233 yr 14 minutes ago, BBE said: The espionage act 18 U.S.C. 798 would apply to both. You are correct on obstruction. No, if the material was classified at the lowest level and wasn't improperly disclosed, he will not be investigated for violations of the espionage act. Trump had more than 20 boxes of materials classified at the highest levels and reportedly included extremely sensitive information like details of human intelligence and nuclear capabilities of foreign nations. Biden reportedly had 10 documents, found and surrendered voluntarily, none of which were reported to be of the same nature. I get it though, much like how you repeatedly downplayed Trump's attempt to subvert democracy, you really want to paint this as being the same thing Trump did so you can both sides it, but it's just not. Trump is F'ed, Biden is fine. Come back in 2028 with someone who doesn't bootlick a reprehensible traitorous moron if you want to win the presidency again.
January 10, 20233 yr If I have learned anything since 2016 its that its impossible for the president to break the law. You can't indict a sitting president. Nice try FBI!
January 10, 20233 yr 53 minutes ago, BBE said: Intent does not matter. That is a construct by Comey. And for the record, I have had this stance with Clinton, Trump, and now Biden. They should all face the same repercussions as the little people with security clearances. Of course it does. Are you seriously telling me that if someone had classified materials with the intention of selling them to a foreign nation, that wouldn't be more serious and a completely different situation than someone simply leaving classified materials at their old office?
January 10, 20233 yr Uh, intent absolutely is a consideration. Also the fact that Trump knew he had them, was told to return them by the records office, refused and fought it for a year, and ultimately had to be raided to collect it would be a consideration.
January 10, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, DiPros said: Of course, intent should also include whoever is in charge at the National Archives for not even knowing what is missing. This does expose a bigger issue of the classification system that documents can go missing unnoticed.
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