23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

So I guess you wouldn’t want to hear the fun fact I heard on how a day on planet Venus is actually longer than a year on Venus? 

Better watch out with him.  He reports people for calling him out on his flat earth beliefs in threads not related to the flat earth topic.

36 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

So I guess you wouldn’t want to hear the fun fact I heard on how a day on planet Venus is actually longer than a year on Venus? 

You mean this Venus?

You see, technology has caught up to NASA's lies......trust me, you have a lot to learn.

On 11/10/2021 at 3:55 PM, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The only real dumb thing is you pretending that the organization is not trying to determine his ceiling, so they can identify their next steps.  If they determine that he can't move the organization to the desired levels, they will chase the next option that they think can.  That is true of every QB in the league.  You can bet all of those organizations that you referenced approached their QB in the same exact way and decided that those guys could get them to their goals (even if they didn''t). 

Hurts is currently in "To Be Determined" territory.  If you think he can become that guy, fine.  If not, fine.  But that is the question the team has to answer.

I don't think so. 

I think the defense isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl.   And the Eagles could dick around trying to find a perfect QB and not solving the defense problem.

The Eagles offense is 11th points scored per game.   Perfectly adequate,  good enough to win a Super Bowl - if the Defense is Great.

Fix the defense, make it great,  Jalen Hurts is already the QB, on the team, getting paid very little.

I don't like high price QBs,  I don't think a high priced QB is worth 30 or 40 Million more than a 2nd round draft pick on his rookie contract,  even if the 30-40 Million guy is better.

I don't want a "Franchise QB"   Tom Brady is a Franchise QB - a good one, the kind you want.   Derek Carr is a Franchise QB - 1 winning record in 7 years as a starter.  Not the kind you want.

I'm not saying that Jalen Hurts should continue to be the starter through the 2023 season because the Eagles need to be looking for a guy who they can pay 30 Million to in 2024, and Hurts is that guy.  I'm saying he should be the starter through 2023 because he's cheap, the offense is getting the job done, and Hurts presumably will be able to keep the Eagles somewhere around 11 points scored per game.   

The offense is doing better than the defense,  and when it's the offense, and not the defense, which is holding the Eagles back,  you look at it differently then.  I'm 100% good with Hurts finishing the contract as the starter.

Get Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson,  well, they might be better, but the defense won't improve through the addition of top picks or money spent on free agents because you have to give away 1st rounders in a trade, and you're back to spending Wentz-level money. 

Use a 1st round pick on a supposed franchise QB,  and there's a really good chance that guy isn't good enough.   Hurts was a 2nd round pick,  every 1st round pick cost more, and many have pretty much sucked.   Last 4 years including this one.  18-21.  
 

First number is the rank points scored per game

or XX for failure or NS for not starting enough games.

2021      31          1            1            1            Trevor Lawrence             Jaguars Clemson

              27          1            2            2            Zach Wilson       Jets        Brigham Young

              NS          1            3            3            Trey Lance         49ers    North Dakota State

              30          1            11          11          Justin Fields       Bears    Ohio State

              10          1            15          15          Mac Jones          Patriots Alabama

2020      8            1            1            1            Joe Burrow        Bengals Louisiana State

              28          1            5            5            Tua Tagovailoa Dolphins             Alabama

              14          1            6            6            Justin Herbert   Chargers             Oregon

              NS          1            26          26          Jordan Love       Packers Utah State

              11          2            21          53          Jalen Hurts         Eagles   Oklahoma

2019      2            1            1            1            Kyler Murray     Cardinals            Oklahoma

              24          1            6            6            Daniel Jones      Giants   Duke

              XX          1            15          15          Dwayne Haskins             Redskins              Ohio State

2018      13          1            1            1            Baker Mayfield Browns Oklahoma

              26          1            3            3            Sam Darnold     Jets        USC

              4            1            7            7            Josh Allen           Bills       Wyoming

              XX          1            10          10          Josh Rosen         Cardinals            UCLA

              9            1            32          32          Lamar Jackson  Ravens Louisville

 17 first round picks in the last 4 years.

5 of those 17 have led their teams to more points per game than Hurts.  12 of the 17 have not,  and every single one of them cost more than Hurts did.  

5/17 chance of an upgrade,  12/17 chance of a downgrade,  and it's going to cost a first round pick.  I'd rather stick with the guy who has the Eagles at 11 in points per game, and improve the defense with the resources they have. 

I would add an additional running QB to the room, one who is roughly comparable to Hurts in cost and quality,  who might or should be able to do what Hurts is doing in 2024, without costing the Eagles 30 Million a year.

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I think the defense isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I want you to really think about this statement in the context of the Eagles Super Bowl win, and then get back to us.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I want you to really think about this statement in the context of the Eagles Super Bowl win, and then get back to us.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2017.htm

 

there's the link.

In the 2017 super bowl season,  the offense was 3 points scored per game, and the defense was 4 points scored per game.

more room to improve - from 20 to 4 - on the defense than on offense,   from 11 to 3.

1 defense and 11 offense should get better results than 1 offense and 20 defense. 

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I think the defense isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl.   And the Eagles could dick around trying to find a perfect QB and not solving the defense problem.

I agree with you about the defense, that's why I wanted Christian Barmore and CB's in the last draft, but no, dumbarse selected the broomstick WR at #1 and a crippled Center/Guard at #2.

As far as paying a top of the line QB, the rookie pay scale helped a lot but if he turns out to be a true franchise QB you're gonna have to pay him the going rate or he's gonna leave.     

38 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

You mean this Venus?

You see, technology has caught up to NASA's lies......trust me, you have a lot to learn.

I didn’t bring that stuff up. Someone else did. 

29 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2017.htm

 

there's the link.

In the 2017 super bowl season,  the offense was 3 points scored per game, and the defense was 4 points scored per game.

more room to improve - from 20 to 4 - on the defense than on offense,   from 11 to 3.

1 defense and 11 offense should get better results than 1 offense and 20 defense. 

I was referring to a defense giving up the all time passing yards record in the Super Bowl, and still winning.

And the Eagles being 11th in points this year is misleading, because they score so many garbage time points.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I was referring to a defense giving up the all time passing yards record in the Super Bowl, and still winning.

And the Eagles being 11th in points this year is misleading, because they score so many garbage time points.

Tom Brady is good,  but the Eagles got to the Super Bowl with very good offense and very good defense.

If you want to come back with a detailed analysis of all 32 teams,  breaking down their points into "garbage time" and "not garbage time",  I'll look at that.   However,  you're just claiming that the Eagles have some sort of rare and special type of garbage time points.   All teams have garbage points,  the Eagles aren't any different.    Points scored is a neutral stats measuring what the offense is supposed to do.  And the Eagles are at 11, points per game.

So many first round QBs drafted in the last 4 years are not leading their team to more points than Hurts is.  Of the 17 first round, more costly, QB picks,  5 are doing better,  12 aren't doing better.

2000 Ravens won the super bowl with a #14 offense and the #1 defense.

The Eagles offense, right now, is better than the Ravens offense was the year they won the super bowl. 

2002 Bucs,  18 offense,  1 defense,  won the super bowl.

 

35 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

2000 Ravens won the super bowl with a #14 offense and the #1 defense.

The Eagles offense, right now, is better than the Ravens offense was the year they won the super bowl. 

2002 Bucs,  18 offense,  1 defense,  won the super bowl.

 

The only team that I recall winning a SB with a sheety defense is ironically the Eagles, and with that sheety defensive performance it was a defensive play that pretty much sealed the victory, so it's mostly true that defense wins championships.

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You a flat earth person bro? 😂🤣😂

This question is usually reserved for VA, but ... What rock have you been living under?

8 hours ago, downundermike said:

I was referring to a defense giving up the all time passing yards record in the Super Bowl, and still winning.

And the Eagles being 11th in points this year is misleading, because they score so many garbage time points.

I've also tried to explain that the season is half over and the Eagles could just as easily drop from 11 to 17 after this Sunday, given the 5/6 teams right behind them are literally right behind them.

12 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Tom Brady is good,  but the Eagles got to the Super Bowl with very good offense and very good defense.

If you want to come back with a detailed analysis of all 32 teams,  breaking down their points into "garbage time" and "not garbage time",  I'll look at that.   However,  you're just claiming that the Eagles have some sort of rare and special type of garbage time points.   All teams have garbage points,  the Eagles aren't any different.    Points scored is a neutral stats measuring what the offense is supposed to do.  And the Eagles are at 11, points per game.

So many first round QBs drafted in the last 4 years are not leading their team to more points than Hurts is.  Of the 17 first round, more costly, QB picks,  5 are doing better,  12 aren't doing better.

 

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

I've also tried to explain that the season is half over and the Eagles could just as easily drop from 11 to 17 after this Sunday, given the 5/6 teams right behind them are literally right behind them.

I agree with the point regarding the Eagles could easily drop 5 spots on points in the next game or two. (Particularly with tough matchups against the Broncos or Saints)

But the garbage time narrative is incorrect. The Eagles have maybe scored 21 points in actual garbage time. Hurts getting us within a score with time left if the D can get a stop is not garbage time. 
 

You also have to take into account that the D lets teams score lots and go on long drives which also doesn’t help. 
 

The O hasn’t been bad at all this year.

But (and this is where I agree with Swoop and Mike), good teams in the playoffs will limit the run game and Hurts’s scrambling. He needs to improve so he can make enough plays for the Eagles to win if and when we get there.

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

This question is usually reserved for VA, but ... What rock have you been living under?

Shows how little I get into any of the conspiracy/political nonsense people spew. I don’t really like getting into the Covid stuff, but it’s currently sports related. I will say I makes sense now why he was so obsessed over earring a while ago. 

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

This question is usually reserved for VA, but ... What rock have you been living under?

He is probably smart and stays out of the toxic waste dump known as CVON.

16 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I'm not saying that Jalen Hurts should continue to be the starter through the 2023 season because the Eagles need to be looking for a guy who they can pay 30 Million to in 2024, and Hurts is that guy.  I'm saying he should be the starter through 2023 because he's cheap, the offense is getting the job done, and Hurts presumably will be able to keep the Eagles somewhere around 11 points scored per game.

I think we should keep Hurtz but don't understand why you think we should wait until after 2023 to bring in a new QB? I agree, we need to improve the D this off season. Even using your philosophy I think it makes sense to bring in a young QB after next season then waiting until after Hurts' contract is expired.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I agree with the point regarding the Eagles could easily drop 5 spots on points in the next game or two. (Particularly with tough matchups against the Broncos or Saints)

But the garbage time narrative is incorrect. The Eagles have maybe scored 21 points in actual garbage time. Hurts getting us within a score with time left if the D can get a stop is not garbage time. 
 

You also have to take into account that the D lets teams score lots and go on long drives which also doesn’t help. 
 

The O hasn’t been bad at all this year.

But (and this is where I agree with Swoop and Mike), good teams in the playoffs will limit the run game and Hurts’s scrambling. He needs to improve so he can make enough plays for the Eagles to win if and when we get there.

This is literally a 4 win football team from last year and people are worried about the playoffs. 😂🤣😂 Hurts isn’t ready for playoff action right now, but neither is this team and if anyone thinks Minshew would be the so called playoff quarterback then they’re a dope, because regardless what he can or can’t do this roster isn’t good enough to be talking playoffs. I mean this defense barely stops anybody. The last time the Eagles had this type of situation was the Super Bowl where Tom Brady couldn’t be stopped. It took one of the greatest performances by an Eagles quarterback ever to overcome that, but does anyone really think a quarterback can do that every week? The same people crying about playoffs were saying this entire roster stunk last year when their favorite Cult was out there throwing into triple coverage and giving up sack fumbles. Playoffs??? 😂🤣😂 

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

He is probably smart and stays out of the toxic waste dump known as CVON.

I never go in that crap. 

47 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

He is probably smart and stays out of the toxic waste dump known as CVON.

If CVON is a toxic waste dump what is TATE? 😛

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

This is literally a 4 win football team from last year and people are worried about the playoffs. 😂🤣😂 Hurts isn’t ready for playoff action right now, but neither is this team and if anyone thinks Minshew would be the so called playoff quarterback then they’re a dope, because regardless what he can or can’t do this roster isn’t good enough to be talking playoffs. I mean this defense barely stops anybody. The last time the Eagles had this type of situation was the Super Bowl where Tom Brady couldn’t be stopped. It took one of the greatest performances by an Eagles quarterback ever to overcome that, but does anyone really think a quarterback can do that every week? The same people crying about playoffs were saying this entire roster stunk last year when their favorite Cult was out there throwing into triple coverage and giving up sack fumbles. Playoffs??? 😂🤣😂 

I never go in that crap. 

Nobody is talking about playoffs for this season and, I'm going to guess, he was talking about Hurts and the playoffs moving forward.

Comprehension.

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Nobody is talking about playoffs for this season and, I'm going to guess, he was talking about Hurts and the playoffs moving forward.

Comprehension.

It is futile to discuss the playoffs at all with this roster and I can easily comprehend that anyone who thinks this is a playoff roster regardless of Hurts is a dope. How can anyone ASSume that Howie is just going to draft good enough players for this to become a playoff team? The last thing anyone should be discussing is any playoffs when you have no clue what the future players will be. Is this a playoff coach? How about a playoff defense? Please let’s engage in your comprehension Miss Cleo. 

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

If CVON is a toxic waste dump what is TATE? 😛

The armpit. 

11 hours ago, Swoop said:

I've also tried to explain that the season is half over and the Eagles could just as easily drop from 11 to 17 after this Sunday, given the 5/6 teams right behind them are literally right behind them.

Looking at the list, and running some numbers, they could easily slip to 20/21 this weekend.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

It is futile to discuss the playoffs at all with this roster and I can easily comprehend that anyone who thinks this is a playoff roster regardless of Hurts is a dope. How can anyone ASSume that Howie is just going to draft good enough players for this to become a playoff team? The last thing anyone should be discussing is any playoffs when you have no clue what the future players will be. Is this a playoff coach? How about a playoff defense? Please let’s engage in your comprehension Miss Cleo. 

Again, no one is discussing playoffs with the roster we currently have. 

Obviously there is no guarantee that we're going to draft, sign, etc the right players that allow us to progress to the point of making the playoffs consistently (or at all). No one has suggested otherwise.

The conversation has taken place that in the event we are able to get a team around him, what is/isn't Hurts capable of. We're talking projections here. Ever hear of that big word before? 

Sorry this is hard for you to figure out.

17 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Again, no one is discussing playoffs with the roster we currently have. 

Obviously there is no guarantee that we're going to draft, sign, etc the right players that allow us to progress to the point of making the playoffs consistently (or at all). No one has suggested otherwise.

The conversation has taken place that in the event we are able to get a team around him, what is/isn't Hurts capable of. We're talking projections here. Ever hear of that big word before? 

Sorry this is hard for you to figure out.

Howie's on it. He's using binoculars this year to spot talent!