2 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

Hurts numbers against the Defending Champs wasn't the best and analyzed heavily. Because it was playoff game everything is magnified.  But I look around the playoffs and Dak, Aaron, Jimmy G, Tannahill, Kyler etc.  All of these QB's have been playing longer in a starting position yet putting up average to below average QB numbers this playoffs. It's not about Hurts being better than them, it's about him getting to a chance to develop like they did and a chance to fail and grow from it.   People need to understand, the playoffs is a different energy.   The Lights got too bright for a Young QB like Jalen and a young Coaching staff against the Defending Champs.  He will learn from this.  I'm excited to see Hurts in the same system next year.  

 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Or maybe the answer is simply that you are a Hurts hater first and an Eagles fan second?

 

8 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I think the opposite is true. What's the percentile of drafted QBs having a successful starting career? If I didn't know anything about football I could still pick any draft, poop all over every draftable QB as being unfit as an NFL QB with 0 chance of having a successful starting career and I would be right at least 80% of the time. probably into 90%. Knowing something about football is suppose mitigate teams failure rate but still ... JP Losman, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinert, Brady Quinn, Josh Freeman, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden, EJ Manuel, Paxton Lynch, Mitch Trubisky, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins. 

Peyton Manning / Ryan Leaf was suppose to be a coin flip. And while the Colts insist it was Peyton all along the Chargers still took Leaf. My point is that none of us amateur analysts know ish and you spouting off how inept Hurts is as if you know something doesn't impress anyone. And that's really all it's about - when/If Hurts fails (and the odds are that he will) you want to be able say "I told you so - look at me - see how smart I am". Sorry, but no one will be impressed then either. 

From an article debunking the NFL combine velocity score as a usable metric "Former Bears Director of College Scouting Greg Gabriel noted that such luminaries as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees improved their arm strength with mechanics work and weight training." Ball Velocity is Bunk

 

Hurts arm strength is never going to be in the top tier of NFL QBs but it can get better. I think it's strong enough now but for you doubters it is possible for him to improve into that "good enough" range by the start of next season. He can also improve his accuracy and timing and understanding of defenses / coverages. Will he? Who knows but I believe in karma and I believe it's healthier to have a positive outlook rather than a negative one.  No one should he a Hurts hater - I'm not suggesting that we should be Hurts fans at this point either. The best possible outcome for the Eagles right now is for Hurts to develop into a quality (or better) NFL starter. He is the Eagles QB whether you like it or not so you should be rooting for his development and future success - until he gets cut or traded.

 

 

This Hurts hate is getting out of hand. There's a bunch of them now who delight every time they find anything anti-Hurts on twitter ("His QBR in the pocket hasn't improved!" "There's a video of a Bucs coach saying he can't read a defense!") 

But they conveniently ignore, or claim is worthless, anything that suggests that Hurts might have had a decent year and may deserve another year to improve. (A combination of advanced QB measuring metrics has Hurts ranked 17th in the league. He's upped his completion percentage 9% from last year. He was voted as a pro-bowl alternate).

The worst thing is, I agree, he's probably not the guy. But the Eagles are not in a position to trade for or sign through FA a QB who could help us realistically compete. Sure we could look to the draft, but it's regarded as a weak class and people are talking themselves into drafting guys who have the upside of Andy Dalton or Derek Carr if everything works out for them.

Bring in a decent veteran WR2, give the D desperately needed help in the draft and try and get another first or second in 2023 draft so we can attack QB then if Hurts can't prove he's the guy in 2022. 

Pointing out that Hurts regressed in seemingly every conceivable way the second half of the season (against lesser opponents mind you) isn't "hate", it's stating a fact.

Regardless, I have been on record myself saying give him another season or let him compete with Minshew/a kid they like.

15 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

So i've decided to take some advice from Mark Twain - "Never argue with ignorant people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." If your only take away from my post was about ball velocity then you didn't understand anything - and I'm not going to waste my time - Hate away - I hope it devours your soul.

I think you have a lot more invested in this team than I do.  🤣

Also, now that you’ve shown you can regurgitate a top 3 message board debate cliche, I suggest you go read some or Mark Twain’s books.

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Pointing out that Hurts regressed in seemingly every conceivable way the second half of the season (against lesser opponents mind you) isn't "hate", it's stating a fact.

Regardless, I have been on record myself saying give him another season or let him compete with Minshew/a kid they like.

I don't think anyone is saying anyone who critiques Hurts is a hater. There is a difference between pointing out obvious areas of concern and just being negative about his existence on the roster. 

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think you have a lot more invested in this team than I do.  🤣

Also, now that you’ve shown you can regurgitate a top 3 message board debate cliche, I suggest you go read some or Mark Twain’s books.

The top 3 message board cliche you speak of was started by me - and I am well read on Mark Twain thank you very much.

28 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

The top 3 message board cliche you speak of was started by me - and I am well read on Mark Twain thank you very much.

You invented that quote? Wow.  Pretty sure you just said it was from Mark Twain.  Never heard of someone starting a famous quote.

39 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You invented that quote? Wow.  Pretty sure you just said it was from Mark Twain.  Never heard of someone starting a famous quote.

Now you're being obtuse. But whatever floats your boat - another cliche for you.

1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

At times Hurts has shown the ability to be pin point accurate. He needs to develop those moments to a point of being routine but there is something to build on. He also has shown the ability to read the defense, move through his progression and find the right target though he is still too slow and consequently late with the ball but again it is something to build on.

 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Pointing out that Hurts regressed in seemingly every conceivable way the second half of the season (against lesser opponents mind you) isn't "hate", it's stating a fact.

Regardless, I have been on record myself saying give him another season or let him compete with Minshew/a kid they like.

Swoop is an undoubted Hurts sceptic (I'd consider myself one as well, although I have more hope than Swoop).

But unlike some other posters, Swoop does genuinely want Hurts to succeed and does not want to just bench him or replace him for the sake of it. 

16 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Now you're being obtuse. But whatever floats your boat - another cliche for you.

Did you start that one too?!

2 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Swoop is an undoubted Hurts sceptic (I'd consider myself one as well, although I have more hope than Swoop).

But unlike some other posters, Swoop does genuinely want Hurts to succeed and does not want to just bench him or replace him for the sake of it. 

So why is it ok that people want Reagor benched or replaced but not Hurts?  Do we want their souls consumed by hatred for being horrible hateful fans as well?  Do they not want Reagor to succeed?

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So why is it ok that people want Reagor benched or replaced but not Hurts?  Do we want their souls consumed by hatred for being horrible hateful fans as well?  Do they not want Reagor to succeed?

Well, I haven't discussed Reagor, nor have I mentioned souls being consumed - lol.

But if you ask the question, Reagor has been objectively awful, whereas Hurts has not been awful.  Hurts as QB has taken the Eagles from 4-11-1 to the playoffs (and no it was far from just being about him) and ranks 17th in the combined advanced QB performance measuring criteria.

But I would compare it to people who want to cut Reagor, which would cost more cap than just keeping him and burying him on the depth chart.

10 hours ago, Nivraga said:

No one should he a Hurts hater - I'm not suggesting that we should be Hurts fans at this point either. The best possible outcome for the Eagles right now is for Hurts to develop into a quality (or better) NFL starter. He is the Eagles QB whether you like it or not so you should be rooting for his development and future success - until he gets cut or traded.

Yeah... that's not a plan.  That's wishing.   Hurts is what he is.  Can he improve from where he is now?  Sure.  Will that be enough?  Only if the Eagles are playing with the '85 Bears defense, '91 Eagles defense or '00 Ravens.  Since no defense is likely to be that level of dominance again given all the rule changes, that makes me think that's not going to happen.

I still don't believe in a running QB.  A running QB will eventually get injured. Name one that hasn't.  Once injured, they are told to run less which takes away their effectiveness.  An agile pocket passer has more longevity and outperforms all the time.  

Eagles fans are completely with you if you think  Reagor, JJAW, Barnett, and Gannon are bad. But if dare say that about Hurts, who is obviously a bad QB, you're not a real fan or you're a hater

It's nonsense. We're just not delusional 

We’re not even close as far as QB is concerned. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... that's not a plan.  That's wishing.   Hurts is what he is.  Can he improve from where he is now?  Sure.  Will that be enough?  Only if the Eagles are playing with the '85 Bears defense, '91 Eagles defense or '00 Ravens.  Since no defense is likely to be that level of dominance again given all the rule changes, that makes me think that's not going to happen.

You're entitled to your opinion. 

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

You're entitled to your opinion. 

Thanks.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Thanks.

You're welcome

Watching QB play in the playoffs, further proves Hurts isn't going to get to that level. He can continue to improve but no one can realistically think he'll be that elite of a passer.

It’s crazy how much better young QB talent is in the AFC compared to the NFC. Hurts is a pro bowl alternate for gods sake 😂. The road to the super bowl is going to be so much easier for NFC for the foreseeable future.

 

For you guys comparing Hurts to Josh Allen....

 

41 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

For you guys comparing Hurts to Josh Allen....

 

If anyone watching that game last night still think that one day, Hurts could get anywhere close to that level..... Must be have screw loose. 

 Chiefs vs Bills made it pretty clear, we are a long way away including the QB position

I say again, go back and watch Josh Allen's first 2 seasons and see if you think Josh Allen could reach Josh Allen's current level. I know this board like to think there are always flashes, but his first 20 games there wasn't many flashes at all. Josh Allen is a throw back to when teams drafted guys and let them take their lumps early career in the hope they develop and it's paid off big time.

Maybe Hurt's doesn't get near that level, maybe he does, the fact is after one season as starter you wouldn't have known with either, and no amount of watching games with a beer on your couch makes you a QB prognosticator worth a toot on a tin whistle.

19 hours ago, Nivraga said:

I don't think anyone is saying anyone who critiques Hurts is a hater. There is a difference between pointing out obvious areas of concern and just being negative about his existence on the roster. 

And if seeing the areas of concern lead you to be negative about his existence on the roster?