Hurts huggers like to argue that Hurts is good without actually telling anyone what he's good at. Whatever it is that he's good at has nothing to do with passing the ball on time to open receivers.  Let us all know when you guys can argue that he's good at that and maybe you'll change my mind.

7 hours ago, Talonblood said:

we need a real QB. The Rams won the SB without a running game. A team MUST have a QB who is VERY GOOD.

 

7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yup, they put it on the arm of Matt Stafford  and their only healthy weapon left in Kupp and those 2 were told to go win the game. 

 

Plenty of teams have won Super Bowls with QBs that don't fit that description. Joe Burrow does, but his team lost because they couldn't block when it mattered. Also, imagine having to cover the NFL's offensive player of the year with Eli Apple. 

Having the best players at a position should always give a team an edge at that part of a game, but in the end, it always comes down to which team executes better for 60 minutes on that day. 

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

 

Plenty of teams have won Super Bowls with QBs that don't fit that description. Joe Burrow does, but his team lost because they couldn't block when it mattered. Also, imagine having to cover the NFL's offensive player of the year with Eli Apple. 

Having the best players at a position should always give a team an edge at that part of a game, but in the end, it always comes down to which team executes better for 60 minutes on that day. 

Just out of curiosity has Hurts ever had one game where he "executed for 60 mins"?
 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Just out of curiosity has Hurts ever had one game where he "executed for 60 mins"?
 

No QB has in the modern era. Maybe in the days where players were 2-way players there was somebody.

30 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

No QB has in the modern era. Maybe in the days where players were 2-way players there was somebody.

I'm not talking about him playing defense here. 

55 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

No QB has in the modern era. Maybe in the days where players were 2-way players there was somebody.

 

6 hours ago, greend said:

Hurts huggers like to argue that Hurts is good without actually telling anyone what he's good at. Whatever it is that he's good at has nothing to do with passing the ball on time to open receivers.  Let us all know when you guys can argue that he's good at that and maybe you'll change my mind.

There are actually very few "Hurts huggers" Most of us who defend him just don't think he is nearly as bad as you make out and recognise that he is still young and was always viewed as a developmental QB and may get better.

What is he good at?

 - You can go on all day about wanting a pocket passer, but Hurts can extend and make plays with his legs that most other QBs can't. He also forces other teams to take account of his running ability and that affects their coverage, pass rush and the way they defend against the run. 

- His short and intermediate passing is pretty accurate. 

- He takes care of the football - generally makes good decisions and rarely turns the ball over.

- He's part of a surprisingly effective offense. The running game is a huge part, but his ability to convert with both his arm and legs to keep drives alive plays a significant part as well.

Now he has weaknesses for sure, deep ball, looking off safeties, going through his progressions quickly enough, leading receivers, red zone passing. Can he improve those weaknesses to the point that he is worthwhile sticking with in 2023/after his rookie contract? Maybe not. 

But while he is on a rookie contract and the rest of the team, particularly the D, needs serious help, then I don't see the rush to replace him unless an obvious better solution comes up which doesn't stop us from addressing our other glaring needs in free agency and the draft.

6 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 - You can go on all day about wanting a pocket passer, but Hurts can extend and make plays with his legs that most other QBs can't. He also forces other teams to take account of his running ability and that affects their coverage, pass rush and the way they defend against the run. 

That ship has sailed.  Tampa Bay went with the 100% disregarding his passing ability approach.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That ship has sailed.  Tampa Bay went with the 100% disregarding his passing ability approach.

That's all you have to do to any of those guys. I don't know how many times we have to watch this stupid show, before people wake the F up. 

26 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There are actually very few "Hurts huggers" Most of us who defend him just don't think he is nearly as bad as you make out and recognise that he is still young and was always viewed as a developmental QB and may get better.

What is he good at?

 - You can go on all day about wanting a pocket passer, but Hurts can extend and make plays with his legs that most other QBs can't. He also forces other teams to take account of his running ability and that affects their coverage, pass rush and the way they defend against the run. 

- His short and intermediate passing is pretty accurate. 

- He takes care of the football - generally makes good decisions and rarely turns the ball over.

- He's part of a surprisingly effective offense. The running game is a huge part, but his ability to convert with both his arm and legs to keep drives alive plays a significant part as well.

Now he has weaknesses for sure, deep ball, looking off safeties, going through his progressions quickly enough, leading receivers, red zone passing. Can he improve those weaknesses to the point that he is worthwhile sticking with in 2023/after his rookie contract? Maybe not. 

But while he is on a rookie contract and the rest of the team, particularly the D, needs serious help, then I don't see the rush to replace him unless an obvious better solution comes up which doesn't stop us from addressing our other glaring needs in free agency and the draft.

His intermediate passing isn't very good either and once a team shuts down his legs he's kinda done. That said at the very least you have tried to come up with some things he's good at, unfortunately most of them have the word run in them, and while a qb that can run isn't necessarily a bad thing they have to have passing in there as well, and I'm not sure at this point of his life how he's going to improve his accuracy. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

That ship has sailed.  Tampa Bay went with the 100% disregarding his passing ability approach.

 

36 minutes ago, greend said:

His intermediate passing isn't very good either and once a team shuts down his legs he's kinda done. That said at the very least you have tried to come up with some things he's good at, unfortunately most of them have the word run in them, and while a qb that can run isn't necessarily a bad thing they have to have passing in there as well, and I'm not sure at this point of his life how he's going to improve his accuracy. 

He stunk against Tampa. No excuses. Murray stunk against the Rams. Rodgers stunk against the 49ers.

But I still think his intermediate passing is generally accurate.

The way I see it, if you are right and Tampa showed the blueprint for shutting down Hurts, then we get a good pick in 2023 to go after a QB in what is meant to be a better draft for QBs. If he's good to very good, then we can either trade him or roll with him again. Better than any of the desperation options people are putting on the table.

11 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

He stunk against Tampa. No excuses. Murray stunk against the Rams. Rodgers stunk against the 49ers.

But I still think his intermediate passing is generally accurate.

The way I see it, if you are right and Tampa showed the blueprint for shutting down Hurts, then we get a good pick in 2023 to go after a QB in what is meant to be a better draft for QBs. If he's good to very good, then we can either trade him or roll with him again. Better than any of the desperation options people are putting on the table.

You are right here. Likely he will be the starter next season, but you just never know about Howie. 

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

Plenty of teams have won Super Bowls with QBs that don't fit that description. Joe Burrow does, but his team lost because they couldn't block when it mattered. Also, imagine having to cover the NFL's offensive player of the year with Eli Apple. 

Having the best players at a position should always give a team an edge at that part of a game, but in the end, it always comes down to which team executes better for 60 minutes on that day. 

We need a real QB in Philly.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

You are right here. Likely he will be the starter next season, but you just never know about Howie. 

True - the Hurts pick came out of nowhere and I hated it at the time.

Who knows if he will do the same in the first this year or go crazy for Wilson or Watson. 

15 hours ago, Talonblood said:

We need a real QB in Philly.

We need a real team just as much. If Aaron Rodgers couldn’t win one playoff game at home with a bye in Green Bay what the heck is he going to do with a team that can’t stop slightly above average quarterbacks from completing 80-90% of their passes? 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

We need a real team just as much. If Aaron Rodgers couldn’t win one playoff game at home with a bye in Green Bay what the heck is he going to do with a team that can’t stop slightly above average quarterbacks from completing 80-90% of their passes? 

Still going on about Rodgers when I have yet to see anyone on here saying they want him or Wilson for that matter. If you find 1 that still doesn't count, I need multiplies to make up for all the times you post about Rodgers and a us wanting him. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Still going on about Rodgers when I have yet to see anyone on here saying they want him or Wilson for that matter. If you find 1 that still doesn't count, I need multiplies to make up for all the times you post about Rodgers and a us wanting him. 

But Wentz....

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Still going on about Rodgers when I have yet to see anyone on here saying they want him or Wilson for that matter. If you find 1 that still doesn't count, I need multiplies to make up for all the times you post about Rodgers and a us wanting him. 

Sorry but, Rodgers or Wilson over Hurts any day all day! 

43 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Still going on about Rodgers when I have yet to see anyone on here saying they want him or Wilson for that matter. If you find 1 that still doesn't count, I need multiplies to make up for all the times you post about Rodgers and a us wanting him. 

You can insert whoever at quarterback and it’s the same results. People are whining about needing a quarterback, but don’t even have a name to replace the guy we have. Frankly Philly media (radio and print) have gone on numerous times about all these alleged available quarterbacks. It’s the same friggin results. None of them will take this team over the top. The times I mentioned Rodgers, Wilson, and or Watkins pales in comparison to all these beanbaggers crying about needing a new quarterback. 

On 2/15/2022 at 12:45 AM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yup, they put it on the arm of Matt Stafford  and their only healthy weapon left in Kupp and those 2 were told to go win the game. 

 

Yeah and their Hall of Fame Defense had nothing to do with it. 🙄

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can insert whoever at quarterback and it’s the same results. People are whining about needing a quarterback, but don’t even have a name to replace the guy we have. Frankly Philly media (radio and print) have gone on numerous times about all these alleged available quarterbacks. It’s the same friggin results. None of them will take this team over the top. The times I mentioned Rodgers, Wilson, and or Watkins pales in comparison to all these beanbaggers crying about needing a new quarterback. 

Yeah and their Hall of Fame Defense had nothing to do with it. 🙄

I was specifically talking about the last drive. Sure though lump me in with everyone else tho. 

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

I was specifically talking about the last drive drive numbskull. 

To try to even compare the Eagles to the Rams is a joke. The Eagles aren’t even that close. Heck the Rams were in the SB three years ago with Goff at quarterback. You wouldn’t have to worry about the Eagles putting the ball in the hands of some (player to be named later) quarterback because  a) they aren’t good enough talent wise make it there to begin with, and b) their defense is so bad they wouldn’t be close enough to put the ball in said quarterback’s hands to win the game. Anyways carry on with the fantasies of the Eagles being just a quarterback away and giving up whatever it takes to get one. Even though no one wants to name who that quarterback is, and everyone thinks the guy (Howie) who would be responsible for getting said quarterback is the worst GM in football. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

To try to even compare the Eagles to the Rams is a joke. The Eagles aren’t even that close. Heck the Rams were in the SB three years ago with Goff at quarterback. You wouldn’t have to worry about the Eagles putting the ball in the hands of some (player to be named later) quarterback because  a) they aren’t good enough talent wise make it there to begin with, and b) their defense is so bad they wouldn’t be close enough to put the ball in said quarterback’s hands to win the game. Anyways carry on with the fantasies of the Eagles being just a quarterback away and giving up whatever it takes to get one. Even though no one wants to name who that quarterback is, and everyone thinks the guy (Howie) who would be responsible for getting said quarterback is the worst GM in football. 

Who was comparing them to the eagles? I was talking about the last drive and that was it period. I made no suggestions about going to get another QB this year I wasn't talking about their defense. I said they needed a QB to go out and get it done with his arm and he went to his reliable receiver and got it done. That's what you need from your QB from time to time. 

I don't give a flying F about what everyone else wants or needs. 

Hurts will start the season period. Nothing I can do about it or you or anyone else. 

I can expect hurts to start next season and want them to build the team instead of getting a QB this year and still not want Hurts past 2023 you know? 

The only fantasies are the ones you make up in your head for everyone else. 

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Who was comparing them to the eagles? I was talking about the last drive and that was it period. I made no suggestions about going to get another QB this year I wasn't talking about their defense. I said they needed a QB to go out and get it done with his arm and he went to his reliable receiver and got it done. That's what you need from your QB from time to time. 

I don't give a flying F about what everyone else wants or needs. 

Hurts will start the season period. Nothing I can do about it or you or anyone else. 

I can expect hurts to start next season and want them to build the team instead of getting a QB this year and still not want Hurts past 2023 you know? 

The only fantasies are the ones you make up in your head for everyone else. 

"we need a real QB. The Rams won the SB without a running game. A team MUST have a QB who is VERY GOOD.”

Your reply was to this comment. It’s clearly about the Eagles needing a new quarterback. My point is the Eagles need more than a quarterback and for the record I haven’t said I want Hurts beyond 2022. I want the Eagles to not become sidetracked with this nonsense that this team is a quarterback from greatness. It’s not true. And you can claim I’m "making things up for people,” but look around here and all you see is people whining for another quarterback, or making threads asking the same quarterback questions. They literally made a thread with a list of guys they would prefer, but yeah it’s just me making it up. 🙄
 

 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Your reply was to this comment. It’s clearly about the Eagles needing a new quarterback.

So? Those weren't my thoughts nor have I ever said that one single time. I was just adding on that when you need a guy to make the throws it's nice to have a guy who can do that. We haven't had that since Foles period. That's all I was saying or give a F about. 

 

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

"we need a real QB. The Rams won the SB without a running game. A team MUST have a QB who is VERY GOOD.”

Your reply was to this comment. It’s clearly about the Eagles needing a new quarterback. My point is the Eagles need more than a quarterback and for the record I haven’t said I want Hurts beyond 2022. I want the Eagles to not become sidetracked with this nonsense that this team is a quarterback from greatness. It’s not true. And you can claim I’m "making things up for people,” but look around here and all you see is people whining for another quarterback, or making threads asking the same quarterback questions. They literally made a thread with a list of guys they would prefer, but yeah it’s just me making it up. 🙄
 

 

Yup I saw that thread and still didn't make any claims to wanting a QB this year. So I respond to some posts about QBs and now I am one of those people that want a QB this year? Don't make sheet up about what I want and I won't say you are making stuff up. 

You disappear for a few weeks and now you have forgotten about all I've ever said to you I guess.