21 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There are actually very few "Hurts huggers" Most of us who defend him just don't think he is nearly as bad as you make out and recognise that he is still young and was always viewed as a developmental QB and may get better.

What is he good at?

 - You can go on all day about wanting a pocket passer, but Hurts can extend and make plays with his legs that most other QBs can't. He also forces other teams to take account of his running ability and that affects their coverage, pass rush and the way they defend against the run. 

- His short and intermediate passing is pretty accurate. 

- He takes care of the football - generally makes good decisions and rarely turns the ball over.

- He's part of a surprisingly effective offense. The running game is a huge part, but his ability to convert with both his arm and legs to keep drives alive plays a significant part as well.

Now he has weaknesses for sure, deep ball, looking off safeties, going through his progressions quickly enough, leading receivers, red zone passing. Can he improve those weaknesses to the point that he is worthwhile sticking with in 2023/after his rookie contract? Maybe not. 

But while he is on a rookie contract and the rest of the team, particularly the D, needs serious help, then I don't see the rush to replace him unless an obvious better solution comes up which doesn't stop us from addressing our other glaring needs in free agency and the draft.

How'd you miss one of his biggest weaknesses... bailing too early. There's a lot of Hurts fans on Facebook and social media

So it was somewhat satisfying to see Nick yesterday give almost the exact same assessment of Hurts as the more rational posters in this thread have been making for the past several months.

Here is what Siriani said.

"As you watch more and more, and as you think about it more and more, you’re just pleased with the progression that Jalen has made, and I think that’s common of who Jalen Hurts is as a player and as a quarterback, that he just continues to get better. Whether that’s from Alabama to Oklahoma, or Oklahoma to his first year in the NFL, or first year to second year, and we just know that progression is going to continue. And it’s not just because, you know, we’ve seen the progression go like that, it’s because of the person that he is. He loves football. This guy loves football, and he’s just willing to do the things that he needs to do to get better, and that’s why he does continue to get better. He’s tough, he’s competitive, he’s got high football IQ, he’s got high general character in himself, and those are things we’re looking for from draft prospects that we’re going through right now.”

Now, anytime a poster made a comment like this in this thread, it was like throwing a cat into the middle of a crowded dog park.

But now we have the head coach of the team saying it. So it's nice being on the same page as the coach of the team.

Bark away mutts.

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So it was somewhat satisfying to see Nick yesterday give almost the exact same assessment of Hurts as the more rational posters in this thread have been making for the past several months.

Here is what Siriani said.

"As you watch more and more, and as you think about it more and more, you’re just pleased with the progression that Jalen has made, and I think that’s common of who Jalen Hurts is as a player and as a quarterback, that he just continues to get better. Whether that’s from Alabama to Oklahoma, or Oklahoma to his first year in the NFL, or first year to second year, and we just know that progression is going to continue. And it’s not just because, you know, we’ve seen the progression go like that, it’s because of the person that he is. He loves football. This guy loves football, and he’s just willing to do the things that he needs to do to get better, and that’s why he does continue to get better. He’s tough, he’s competitive, he’s got high football IQ, he’s got high general character in himself, and those are things we’re looking for from draft prospects that we’re going through right now.”

Now, anytime a poster made a comment like this in this thread, it was like throwing a cat into the middle of a crowded dog park.

But now we have the head coach of the team saying it. So it's nice being on the same page as the coach of the team.

Bark away mutts.

What are they gonna say, "Tampa Bays defensive coaches were correct, Jalen can't read defenses, he also has average arm talent, is slow in processing, and parts of the field are not in play due to his limited arm talent"

It is called towing the line, and they will say he is there guy until he is not.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What are they gonna say, "Tampa Bays defensive coaches were correct, Jalen can't read defenses, he also has average arm talent, is slow in processing, and parts of the field are not in play due to his limited arm talent"

It is called towing the line, and they will say he is there guy until he is not.

Well, he could have said this.

"I believe in him. I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback. That might be here, that might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined."

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Well, he could have said this.

"I believe in him. I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback. That might be here, that might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined."

No.  The bolded is a stupid thing to say publicly.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  The bolded is a stupid thing to say publicly.

I'll be sure to tell Frank you said so. That was a direct quote from his press conference when he was asked about Wentz.

29 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Well, he could have said this.

"I believe in him. I believe he’s going to continue to have a lot of success at quarterback. That might be here, that might not be here. That decision has yet to be determined."

 

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  The bolded is a stupid thing to say publicly.

Yeah I don’t think they would say that (although the Colts pretty much have about Wentz)

But the Eagles have been more emphatic than they needed to be. I firmly believe that they are happy with Jalen for 2022 at least.

 

15 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I'll be sure to tell Frank you said so. That was a direct quote from his press conference when he was asked about Wentz.

He had to say that, because his owner painted him into a corner.  So, he put out what he did, because the owner already was stupid, Frank's specific comment actually left the door open for Wentz to return.  

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

Yeah I don’t think they would say that (although the Colts pretty much have about Wentz)

But the Eagles have been more emphatic than they needed to be. I firmly believe that they are happy with Jalen for 2022 at least.

If the bolded is true, then they are dumber than I tell people they are.

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

So it was somewhat satisfying to see Nick yesterday give almost the exact same assessment of Hurts as the more rational posters in this thread have been making for the past several months.

Here is what Siriani said.

"As you watch more and more, and as you think about it more and more, you’re just pleased with the progression that Jalen has made, and I think that’s common of who Jalen Hurts is as a player and as a quarterback, that he just continues to get better. Whether that’s from Alabama to Oklahoma, or Oklahoma to his first year in the NFL, or first year to second year, and we just know that progression is going to continue. And it’s not just because, you know, we’ve seen the progression go like that, it’s because of the person that he is. He loves football. This guy loves football, and he’s just willing to do the things that he needs to do to get better, and that’s why he does continue to get better. He’s tough, he’s competitive, he’s got high football IQ, he’s got high general character in himself, and those are things we’re looking for from draft prospects that we’re going through right now.”

Now, anytime a poster made a comment like this in this thread, it was like throwing a cat into the middle of a crowded dog park.

But now we have the head coach of the team saying it. So it's nice being on the same page as the coach of the team.

Bark away mutts.

Being pleased with his progression is not rational.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Being pleased with his progression is not rational.

It's rational for Sirianni to care more about his job than your opinion.

"Daniel Jones

The Giants are the third NFC East operation who could conceivably seek an upgrade at signal-caller, yet like the Eagles, they're publicly acting like they don't care for one.

"We're going to bring in competition everywhere, but Daniel Jones is our starting quarterback right now," GM Joe Schoen said.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/recapping-combine-comments-carson-wentz-172000197.html

This is how you expertly hedge on your starting quarterback in the media. This is not what the Eagles are doing. Just noting the Eagles think more about their quarterback than some of you do, because it’s clear at least for 2022 Hurts is their guy. 

 

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It's rational for Sirianni to care more about his job than your opinion.

It's also rational for him to say things in public that support the player he's stuck with, until such time that he can upgrade.

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's also rational for him to say things in public that support the player he's stuck with, until such time that he can upgrade.

He's not "stuck with" Hurts. He could easily begin the 2022 season with a competition for the starting job with the guys we currently have under contract. He is behind Hurts as the starter. It's a decision that has already been made based on what he witnessed in 2021. 

12 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

He's not "stuck with" Hurts. He could easily begin the 2022 season with a competition for the starting job with the guys we currently have under contract. He is behind Hurts as the starter. It's a decision that has already been made based on what he witnessed in 2021. 

He inherited Hurts, he didn't choose him.  He thought he was coming to work with Wentz.  And yes, he could have a competition.

Now, let's consider that competition:

Hurts needs a system where the QB running is not just a minor component of the process, but a MAJOR component.  Hurts needs RO plays to be a major staple, and needs WR screens and other behind the LOS of scrimmage throws to be emphasized because he can't or is unwilling to throw down the field or to his left, or even across the middle for that matter.

Meanwhile, Minshew has a limited arm strength, but can compensate for it with timing throws, anticipation and is NOT a guy you want to expose as a runner as a part of the offense.  But, those things are things that Hurts sucks at.  BTW... we already KNOW that Minshew is a more accomplished passer than Hurts, and it's not really close.

So, which offense do they compete in?  The one that favors Hurts? or the one that favors Minshew?   Guaranteed, whichever one they choose to favor will win.  OR... you hurt the entire offense by installing BOTH styles and then revert to one when a clear winner is determined.   So, given that Howie drafted one of these guys in Round 2 and Howie acquired the other as a backup QB for a 6th round pick...  That would be a fair fight.   They wouldn't be tilted one way or the other at all.

 

BTW... having Minshew beat out Hurts would still leave the team 'stuck' with their QB.  Neither is good enough to be the answer.   So, however you want to flip it... we're stuck at QB with what we have.  We need a better QB to really be able to compete.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He inherited Hurts, he didn't choose him.  He thought he was coming to work with Wentz.  And yes, he could have a competition.

Now, let's consider that competition:

Hurts needs a system where the QB running is not just a minor component of the process, but a MAJOR component.  Hurts needs RO plays to be a major staple, and needs WR screens and other behind the LOS of scrimmage throws to be emphasized because he can't or is unwilling to throw down the field or to his left, or even across the middle for that matter.

Meanwhile, Minshew has a limited arm strength, but can compensate for it with timing throws, anticipation and is NOT a guy you want to expose as a runner as a part of the offense.  But, those things are things that Hurts sucks at.  BTW... we already KNOW that Minshew is a more accomplished passer than Hurts, and it's not really close.

So, which offense do they compete in?  The one that favors Hurts? or the one that favors Minshew?   Guaranteed, whichever one they choose to favor will win.  OR... you hurt the entire offense by installing BOTH styles and then revert to one when a clear winner is determined.   So, given that Howie drafted one of these guys in Round 2 and Howie acquired the other as a backup QB for a 6th round pick...  That would be a fair fight.   They wouldn't be tilted one way or the other at all.

 

BTW... having Minshew beat out Hurts would still leave the team 'stuck' with their QB.  Neither is good enough to be the answer.   So, however you want to flip it... we're stuck at QB with what we have.  We need a better QB to really be able to compete.

You're hardly "stuck" with a guy on a rookie contract. You can easily opt out and look elsewhere if need be. We have both the salary cap space and draft capital needed to bring in a pricier, more accomplished vet if we want to. We are not stuck. 

I get that some of you just don't believe in Hurts as an NFL QB. But just because you don't does not mean other people in the league share your opinion. The Eagles believed in Hurts enough to invest a 2nd rd pick. The HC believed in him enough to develop an offense that utilizes him. Now, he's throwing support at "his guy." This same HC's job depends on making the right calls. There's an extensive list of NFL HCs that have lost their opportunity because of poor QB play. 

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You're hardly "stuck" with a guy on a rookie contract. You can easily opt out and look elsewhere if need be. We have both the salary cap space and draft capital needed to bring in a pricier, more accomplished vet if we want to. We are not stuck. 

I get that some of you just don't believe in Hurts as an NFL QB. But just because you don't does not mean other people in the league share your opinion. The Eagles believed in Hurts enough to invest a 2nd rd pick. The HC believed in him enough to develop an offense that utilizes him. Now, he's throwing support at "his guy." This same HC's job depends on making the right calls. There's an extensive list of NFL HCs that have lost their opportunity because of poor QB play. 

You are stuck, when you don't have a better option.  We have salary cap space and draft capital to bring in a pricier, more accomplished vet?   Who?   Rodgers?  Nope.  Wilson?  Nope.  Watson?  Definitely not.  Cousins?  Uh... no.     QBs don't grow on trees.  The ones you want to get, you can't just go out and get.  The Tom Brady situation has thrown folks into this false loop of hope that the trade or FA market is a place to find a QB that's good enough.  I'd love to see the list of all the QBs who won a Super Bowl with a team that didn't draft them.   There's Brady which is the outlier of all outliers.  Brad Johnson in 2001, with a great, great defense.  Trent Dilfer in 2000, with an all-time defense.  Peyton Manning with the Broncos (2016), with a great great defense.  Drew Brees in 2010.   And they were all just one and dones, nothing prolonged or sustainable (expection Brees, but still only one Super Bowl and only one appearance in the Super Bowl).   The multiple appearance teams have all been with QBs they drafted... Pittsburgh, New England, KC, Indy, Seattle, even the Giants (I count that as a draft pick, even though it was technically a trade).

 

But, yes, Hurts is cheap for now.  That doesn't make him a solution and they are STUCK putting him on the field because they have no other options right now.  This wasn't the plan when Sirianni was hired, and Sirianni has proven that the offense needed for Hurts to 'thrive' (which is more like survive) isn't the one he wanted to implement.   You saying that we aren't 'stuck' with Hurts is like saying you aren't stuck with duct tape holding the wing of the plane on because its cheap, and easily upgradable... when the right part becomes available.  That's not a solution to the problem, that's a band-aid.  Hurts is a band-aid.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are stuck, when you don't have a better option.  We have salary cap space and draft capital to bring in a pricier, more accomplished vet?   Who?   Rodgers?  Nope.  Wilson?  Nope.  Watson?  Definitely not.  Cousins?  Uh... no.     QBs don't grow on trees.  The ones you want to get, you can't just go out and get.  The Tom Brady situation has thrown folks into this false loop of hope that the trade or FA market is a place to find a QB that's good enough.  I'd love to see the list of all the QBs who won a Super Bowl with a team that didn't draft them.   There's Brady which is the outlier of all outliers.  Brad Johnson in 2001, with a great, great defense.  Trent Dilfer in 2000, with an all-time defense.  Peyton Manning with the Broncos (2016), with a great great defense.  Drew Brees in 2010.   And they were all just one and dones, nothing prolonged or sustainable (expection Brees, but still only one Super Bowl and only one appearance in the Super Bowl).   The multiple appearance teams have all been with QBs they drafted... Pittsburgh, New England, KC, Indy, Seattle, even the Giants (I count that as a draft pick, even though it was technically a trade).

 

But, yes, Hurts is cheap for now.  That doesn't make him a solution and they are STUCK putting him on the field because they have no other options right now.  This wasn't the plan when Sirianni was hired, and Sirianni has proven that the offense needed for Hurts to 'thrive' (which is more like survive) isn't the one he wanted to implement.   You saying that we aren't 'stuck' with Hurts is like saying you aren't stuck with duct tape holding the wing of the plane on because its cheap, and easily upgradable... when the right part becomes available.  That's not a solution to the problem, that's a band-aid.  Hurts is a band-aid.

I'm not advocating using resources to bring in someone to replace Hurts. I'm saying they exist. If Hurts is as bas as you seem to think, then the team would be foolish not to bring in someone already better or potentially better. Where I stand on the issue is Hurts is here and has shown improvement during his brief career. I have confidence that he will continue to improve and can see that his teammates believe in him.

 

Any decision we make will contain an unknown. You can bring in a vet that had success somewhere else and that may not translate into success here. You can go all in with the biggest name out there, strap your team's future financially, and still see that "hero" fall to a season ending injury. You can roll the dice on a player that disappointed his original team and hope a change of scenery brings out his potential. You can wait out a situation like the one with Watkins and probably get him cheaper (in a trade) than you should because of his baggage, only to find out there's more baggage. You can invest in a new prospect in the draft and start all over with no guarantees. Last year, Lawrence was supposed to be the most sure thing in the draft since Andrew Luck (how did the whole Luck thing turn out, btw?) and he didn't have a good game until the final weeks of the season. 

 

Last year, Sirianni adjusted the offense to make Hurts comfortable. We didn't start out with what we ended up with. Week 1 was a completely different offense than what we became. Many people talk as if the revamped offense was only about Hurts. That isn't the case. It was a style we were able to run because of Hurts, but that strategy helped our defense immensely --- which led to a better win/loss record. Not only did Sirianni's offense cater to Hurts' strengths, but it catered to the offensive line's strengths. Now, moving forward, the offense needs to pen up a bit. Hurts needs to demonstrate growth. That's what 2022 will be all about. You probably don't think it will happen. I do. 

15 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not advocating using resources to bring in someone to replace Hurts. I'm saying they exist. If Hurts is as bas as you seem to think, then the team would be foolish not to bring in someone already better or potentially better. Where I stand on the issue is Hurts is here and has shown improvement during his brief career. I have confidence that he will continue to improve and can see that his teammates believe in him.

1 - They don't exist. 

2 - How bad do you think I think Hurts is?  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1 - They don't exist. 

2 - How bad do you think I think Hurts is?  

We're talking about resources (#1). The resources exist. 

I believe you think Hurts is not an NFL caliber passer and never will be. Have I mistaken someone else's take for yours?

8 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

We're talking about resources (#1). The resources exist. 

I believe you think Hurts is not an NFL caliber passer and never will be. Have I mistaken someone else's take for yours?

No, we're talking about vets who would be an upgrade over Hurts.  Supply and demand... there is no supply.   You can have all the resources in the world, that still won't buy you a goose that lays golden eggs.  The issue isn't about having the resources, it's about having options.  There are no options, regardless of our resources to acquire one.  

 

I believe Hurts is not a starting NFL caliber passer.  He's a backup and always should be.  He's also a top caliber backup type, because his legs can help cover up for deficiencies in the passing game against bad to average teams.  But, will never be good enough to beat good teams.   But, the cost of bringing in someone even marginally better than Hurts is prohibitive to making that move.   You want Jimmy G?  At that cost?   Even if Jimmy G is an upgrade (which I agree, he is) the difference is so minute that it's foolishness to make that move.  The cost doesn't justify the (extremely) limited increase in passing skill. There are no options.  Their best option, in my opinion would be to trade Hurts while he has some value... roll with Minshew until a better option actually becomes available.  But that would be a huge black eye to Howie and in order for him to make such a move, he needs a clear upgrade in place.  So... because Hurts is here, and there aren't good enough options available, that's why we are stuck with him.  

45 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, we're talking about vets who would be an upgrade over Hurts.  Supply and demand... there is no supply.   You can have all the resources in the world, that still won't buy you a goose that lays golden eggs.  The issue isn't about having the resources, it's about having options.  There are no options, regardless of our resources to acquire one.  

 

I believe Hurts is not a starting NFL caliber passer.  He's a backup and always should be.  He's also a top caliber backup type, because his legs can help cover up for deficiencies in the passing game against bad to average teams.  But, will never be good enough to beat good teams.   But, the cost of bringing in someone even marginally better than Hurts is prohibitive to making that move.   You want Jimmy G?  At that cost?   Even if Jimmy G is an upgrade (which I agree, he is) the difference is so minute that it's foolishness to make that move.  The cost doesn't justify the (extremely) limited increase in passing skill. There are no options.  Their best option, in my opinion would be to trade Hurts while he has some value... roll with Minshew until a better option actually becomes available.  But that would be a huge black eye to Howie and in order for him to make such a move, he needs a clear upgrade in place.  So... because Hurts is here, and there aren't good enough options available, that's why we are stuck with him.  

Amazingly, this is basically the Hurts Hugger view. That he's the best option right now, and there's no reason to make a marginal upgrade.

The only difference in opinion is what Hurts' ceiling is. The people who don't like him think he has reached it. People who support him think there is a chance he hasn't.

Having Hurts is like owning a stock that can only go up in value. If he never gets better, he is a high-end backup and worth what we paid for him in terms of a draft pick. If he does get better, he's a top 10 qb. And yet, incredibly, people want to get rid of him before the team finds out what his ceiling is.

It is somewhat incredible that more people don't see how dumb their position is.

  

 

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Amazingly, this is basically the Hurts Hugger view. That he's the best option right now, and there's no reason to make a marginal upgrade.

The only difference in opinion is what Hurts' ceiling is. The people who don't like him think he has reached it. People who support him think there is a chance he hasn't.

Having Hurts is like owning a stock that can only go up in value. If he never gets better, he is a high-end backup and worth what we paid for him in terms of a draft pick. If he does get better, he's a top 10 qb. And yet, incredibly, people want to get rid of him before the team finds out what his ceiling is.

It is somewhat incredible that more people don't see how dumb their position is.

  

 

How long does it take to determine a player's ceiling? How long should a team and fanbase wait? What if better options were available during waiting or his value was highest before waiting until the perceived end of how long it takes to determine a player's ceiling? Could also be giving up on value by waiting too long, which is what many teams often do. Could also miss out on something better which is also what happens to a lot of teams because they have a young QB on a rookie contract and the GM is married to that draft pick.

You also said it yourself that this disagreement comes down to his ceiling. So how can some people's position be dumb if they think he has reached his ceiling? It is only dumb if he hasn't reach his ceiling. And when what exactly is his ceiling?

I'd wager the Eagles could get more than what they paid for Hurts if they trade him this offseason and let teams gamble on the perceived yet-to-be achieved ceiling. It is supposed to be a weak QB class and teams are always in need of a QB. But maybe he continues to improve and becomes a top-10 QB in which case the Eagles will look like idiots. But then they also look like idiots by holding on to a player that peaked already and isn't what they drafted him to be rather than get value for him when his value was highest.

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Amazingly, this is basically the Hurts Hugger view. That he's the best option right now, and there's no reason to make a marginal upgrade.

The only difference in opinion is what Hurts' ceiling is. The people who don't like him think he has reached it. People who support him think there is a chance he hasn't.

Having Hurts is like owning a stock that can only go up in value. If he never gets better, he is a high-end backup and worth what we paid for him in terms of a draft pick. If he does get better, he's a top 10 qb. And yet, incredibly, people want to get rid of him before the team finds out what his ceiling is.

It is somewhat incredible that more people don't see how dumb their position is.

  

 

People want blood because of how bad he was in the playoff game.

They want to change the QB just because. Nobody has any patience anymore and wants to change players all the time instead of letting a player develop. The Eagles spent a 2nd rounder on him and are paying him nothing. The defense is terrible and needs to be upgraded. The value in Hurts is that he knows the system he is in, is cheap, and allows the Eagles to upgrade other positions around him. If he develops during this transition, fantastic. If he does not, then they can search for a starting QB knowing that he may be the only piece away from them becoming great. Why spend tons of money on stupid players like Jimmy G, Kurt Cousins, Etc who are maybe slightly better than Hurts, trade for a vet like Rodgers/Wilson where you waste a ton of draft capital, and then cap space for basically a couple of year rental and let the rest of the team continue to suck or get a QB in the draft when it is a terrible year for QBs, start all over with training a new rookie QB while there are much greater needs elsewhere on the team?

That is why it is a dumb position, but people are willing to die on it for some reason.

5 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Amazingly, this is basically the Hurts Hugger view. That he's the best option right now, and there's no reason to make a marginal upgrade.

The only difference in opinion is what Hurts' ceiling is. The people who don't like him think he has reached it. People who support him think there is a chance he hasn't.

Having Hurts is like owning a stock that can only go up in value. If he never gets better, he is a high-end backup and worth what we paid for him in terms of a draft pick. If he does get better, he's a top 10 qb. And yet, incredibly, people want to get rid of him before the team finds out what his ceiling is.

It is somewhat incredible that more people don't see how dumb their position is.

  

 

Nope.  The Hurts Hugger position are the people who claim he's "earned" the starting job, the right to come back as the unquestioned starter for 2022.  And there are plenty who have said as much and more.  It's incredible that you can't see that starting 'by default' isn't remotely close to earning the job.

 

And no, a high end backup has NEVER EVER been worth a second round draft pick.  He could get better and still be a bottom half of the year passer.  He's not remotely close to a top 10 QB.  He is the second best rushing QB though.  Whoopity-do.  That's not what makes an NFL QB, worthy of being top 10.  A top 10 NFL QB wins games with his arm.

25 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

People want blood because of how bad he was in the playoff game.

They want to change the QB just because. Nobody has any patience anymore and wants to change players all the time instead of letting a player develop. The Eagles spent a 2nd rounder on him and are paying him nothing. The defense is terrible and needs to be upgraded. The value in Hurts is that he knows the system he is in, is cheap, and allows the Eagles to upgrade other positions around him. If he develops during this transition, fantastic. If he does not, then they can search for a starting QB knowing that he may be the only piece away from them becoming great. Why spend tons of money on stupid players like Jimmy G, Kurt Cousins, Etc who are maybe slightly better than Hurts, trade for a vet like Rodgers/Wilson where you waste a ton of draft capital, and then cap space for basically a couple of year rental and let the rest of the team continue to suck or get a QB in the draft when it is a terrible year for QBs, start all over with training a new rookie QB while there are much greater needs elsewhere on the team?

That is why it is a dumb position, but people are willing to die on it for some reason.

I think most of us realize that Hurts might be here next season. I don't know that there are many of us saying we should draft a QB high in April or trade the farm for a vet. I'm probably one of the biggest "haters" on this board and am not keen on either idea.

Having said that, people can realize this and still feel as though Hurts isn't good/isn't the long term answer at QB.