Just now, MF POON said:

What QB's did you list? Sorry, I was busy trying to help a fellow board member out.

Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Prescott, Wilson, Watson. So actually 6

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Because if you' read the article I posted, even he says he's criticized for his "streetball" play when plays break down. It even goes into other players round the league, but of course you'll ignore it because it doesn't help your argument. again, I still win in our other argument 🙂

He is not criticized by me.  I like a QB who can move around outside the pocket and make amazing throws.

Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes are not remotely the same type of player.

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Prescott, Wilson, Watson. So actually 6

Yeah, they're all better. Hurts could overtake one or two of them by the end of this season for sure though. Was there some other point you were making about them that I overlooked? 

Just now, MF POON said:

YET BRADY STILL WAS THE BETTER POCKET PASSER THAT DAY! 

I WIN!

Not even close.  You have been trying to say a run first QB can be successful.  You then tried to point out that pocket QB's lose games.  When the overwhelming majority of QB's in the NFL are pocket passers, yes, a bunch have to lose every weekend.

The fact that we are talking about pocket passers vs pocket passers in the Super Bowl means you are losing huge.  You can't even find a run first QB with playoff success to bring into the discussion.

Just now, MF POON said:

Yeah, they're all better. Hurts could overtake one or two of them by the end of this season for sure though. Was there some other point you were making about them that I overlooked? 

That you are claiming racism when we would take several other QB's over Hurts and they are also African American.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is not criticized by me.  I like a QB who can move around outside the pocket and make amazing throws.

Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes are not remotely the same type of player.

The Chiefs franchise quarterback, who has won a Super Bowl and an MVP award, was recently criticized for playing "streetball” when his first read is taken away, according to a report by The Athletic, quoting an anonymous NFL defensive coordinator. 

Mahomes noted that black quarterbacks are often more subject to different types of criticism than white signal-callers. 

For example, Murray recently led the Cardinals to their first playoff berth in six years. 

But the Arizona quarterback was put under a microscope for an "independent study” clause placed in his newly signed five-year, $230.5 million extension, which was later removed. Murray said he refuses to let his work ethic be questioned. 

4 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Yeah, they're all better. Hurts could overtake one or two of them by the end of this season for sure though. Was there some other point you were making about them that I overlooked? 

Hard for people to celebrate them and be racist with Jalen Hurts 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

The Chiefs franchise quarterback, who has won a Super Bowl and an MVP award, was recently criticized for playing "streetball” when his first read is taken away, according to a report by The Athletic, quoting an anonymous NFL defensive coordinator. 

Mahomes noted that black quarterbacks are often more subject to different types of criticism than white signal-callers. 

For example, Murray recently led the Cardinals to their first playoff berth in six years. 

But the Arizona quarterback was put under a microscope for an "independent study” clause placed in his newly signed five-year, $230.5 million extension, which was later removed. Murray said he refuses to let his work ethic be questioned. 

Kyler Murray is a dbag.  Signed his contract with the Oakland Athletics and then walked away.  He is also an undersized QB who will not last in the NFL.

Patrick Mahomes is not Kyler Murray, he is a prototypical NFL QB who can make all the throws, in the pocket, on the move.  That is what I want in a QB.

Ryan Clark on first take right now saying Josh Allen is no doubt the best QB in the NFL.

What do you think @4for4EaglesNest @Shalodeep @Texas Eagle @TorontoEagle, is Ryan Clark racist ??

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Ryan Clark on first take right now saying Josh Allen is no doubt the best QB in the NFL.

What do you think @4for4EaglesNest @Shalodeep @Texas Eagle @TorontoEagle, is Ryan Clark racist ??

The bottom of the barrel type racist. 

Just now, downundermike said:

That you are claiming racism when we would take several other QB's over Hurts and they are also African American.

I'd take 4/6. Wilson is a solid player but who knows how many years left, and Dak is good, yet underachieves each year.  That could just be a cowboys thing though *shrugs*

and the difference is those guys have been allowed to develop as players. the nail wasn't in the coffin for them after one season as a starter. That's where the issue is with you all

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Ryan Clark on first take right now saying Josh Allen is no doubt the best QB in the NFL.

What do you think @4for4EaglesNest @Shalodeep @Texas Eagle @TorontoEagle, is Ryan Clark racist ??

I see you really have no solid counter argument. How is that even relevant to proving one is racist is beyond me. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hurts will never be a better passer than Murray, Mahomes, Watson, Wilson and Dak.  Arm talent-wise, he's pretty much a finished product.  It's not there. 

I rest my case. 

 

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd take 4/6. Wilson is a solid player but who knows how many years left, and Dak is good, yet underachieves each year.  That could just be a cowboys thing though *shrugs*

and the difference is those guys have been allowed to develop as players. the nail wasn't in the coffin for them after one season as a starter. That's where the issue is with you all

You wouldn't take Wilson or Dak? You are a big ass hairy smelly troll

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd take 4/6. Wilson is a solid player but who knows how many years left, and Dak is good, yet underachieves each year.  That could just be a cowboys thing though *shrugs*

and the difference is those guys have been allowed to develop as players. the nail wasn't in the coffin for them after one season as a starter. That's where the issue is with you all

And as a finished product, he will not be on the level of Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert.  He is just not as physically gifted and never will be.

CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis and Tyler Van Dyke, my top 4 QB's in the 2023 draft all have a higher NFL ceiling than Hurts due to their physical gifts.

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd take 4/6. Wilson is a solid player but who knows how many years left, and Dak is good, yet underachieves each year.  That could just be a cowboys thing though *shrugs*

and the difference is those guys have been allowed to develop as players. the nail wasn't in the coffin for them after one season as a starter. That's where the issue is with you all

Also, Wilson and Dak came in and just were great. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

And as a finished product, he will not be on the level of Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert.  He is just not as physically gifted and never will be.

CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis and Tyler Van Dyke, my top 4 QB's in the 2023 draft all have a higher NFL ceiling than Hurts due to their physical gifts.

Van Dyke is who I keep eyeing 

Don't worry @MF POON you will have your answers shortly.

The Eagles have invested back to back 1st round picks and 100 million dollars at the WR position, and they did not do that to be a run heavy team like last year.  Jeff Lurie has made it quite clear he wants a big time passing offense.

Hurts will not be protected by the running game, he is going to have to do it with his arm, so we will see if he is the guy or not, and if he is not, Howie has positioned himself to get a QB in 2023 with two 1st round picks in a very strong QB class.

Just now, Shalodeep said:

You wouldn't take Wilson or Dak? You are a big ass hairy smelly troll

I stated why. Wilson from 3 seasons ago? sure. But I'll gamble on the younger Hurts to become a solid QB that we don't have to break the bank over. Say you sign Wilson and then we have to lose Davonta, and or Brown? Do you still want him? and Dak puts up great numbers, but what have the Cowboys done in the playoffs?? Dak is 1-3 in the postseason and they've also choked during the season with him

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

But I'll gamble on the younger Hurts to become a solid QB that we don't have to break the bank over.

So you are settling.  Solid but not worth top QB money, is that what you really want ??  

The team has to be perfect in that scenario, I want a guy who can cover the faults of the team, no team is perfect.

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Van Dyke is who I keep eyeing 

I like Levis, but would not complain if we had Van Dyke.

Just now, downundermike said:

So you are settling.  Solid but not worth top QB money, is that what you really want ??  

The team has to be perfect in that scenario, I want a guy who can cover the faults of the team, no team is perfect.

It's not settling, it's smart investment. Ever since Russ has had to do it all on his own, what has Seattle done? Nothing. Can't keep talented players because the QB is making too much money, but hey, at least our guy is brag worthy lol

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I stated why. Wilson from 3 seasons ago? sure. But I'll gamble on the younger Hurts to become a solid QB that we don't have to break the bank over. Say you sign Wilson and then we have to lose Davonta, and or Brown? Do you still want him? and Dak puts up great numbers, but what have the Cowboys done in the playoffs?? Dak is 1-3 in the postseason and they've also choked during the season with him

And hurts is 0-1 and looked awful doing it.

Wilson has 6-7 years left at least. With him you may not have brown, but you would just draft another guy or get a second tier guy and go with it. His qbr is consistently in the 60s and hits 70s. He is not a deteriorating player at all. 

And when it comes to Dak.... I hate defending a cowboy, but damn is he good. Dude may not have the playoff record, but he is a threat every year. with the talent we have on this team, he would continue to be a threat. It's just a weird way of propping up a guy who has shown barely to be a starter and have him replace top 10-12 qbs

Just now, MF POON said:

It's not settling, it's smart investment. Ever since Russ has had to do it all on his own, what has Seattle done? Nothing. Can't keep talented players because the QB is making too much money, but hey, at least our guy is brag worthy lol

Hurts will never be as good as Russ, and as proven by Russ, when the team around you isn't perfect, you are not going to win a title unless you are a top 5 QB.

Brady won titles as he was the best QB, and was able to cover up the deficiencies of the team.  

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

And hurts is 0-1 and looked awful doing it.

Wilson has 6-7 years left at least. With him you may not have brown, but you would just draft another guy or get a second tier guy and go with it. His qbr is consistently in the 60s and hits 70s. He is not a deteriorating player at all. 

And when it comes to Dak.... I hate defending a cowboy, but damn is he good. Dude may not have the playoff record, but he is a threat every year. with the talent we have on this team, he would continue to be a threat. It's just a weird way of propping up a guy who has shown barely to be a starter and have him replace top 10-12 qbs

Wow, all those games to judge Hurts on.. I see how you can say we can't win with him.

Eh, he might have that much left. Even if he does, I don't know if he'll be playing at a high enough level to warrant keeping him around. I don't see him carrying a team the older he gets. He's got a good situation in Denver now, so I expect him to do well.

4 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Wow, all those games to judge Hurts on.. I see how you can say we can't win with him.

Eh, he might have that much left. Even if he does, I don't know if he'll be playing at a high enough level to warrant keeping him around. I don't see him carrying a team the older he gets. He's got a good situation in Denver now, so I expect him to do well.

I didn't say it's a lot to judge him on, I'm simply saying making fun of Dak after Hurts pulled that stunt isn't wise.

Just now, Shalodeep said:

I didn't say it's a lot to judge him on, I'm simply saying making fun of Dak after Hurts pulled that stunt isn't wise.

And Dak played well right out of the gate, was offensive rookie of the year and got MVP votes. 

He did not need two rookie years and then year 3 the light went on.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hurts will never be as good as Russ, and as proven by Russ, when the team around you isn't perfect, you are not going to win a title unless you are a top 5 QB.

Brady won titles as he was the best QB, and was able to cover up the deficiencies of the team.  

Well that's why I wouldn't want Russ. We wouldn't be able to field a "perfect" team around him, so we'd likely never win a SB with him. Even if you have a perfect team, you can still fall flat on your face like Aaron Rodgers. There's no reason why GB shouldn't have won at least 1 SB in the last 3 seasons