December 16, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, NOTW said: I agree. Fans call em like they see em. I never wanted Jeffrey's contract extended, I thought he was done last year and certainly didn't want him to see the field this year at all. But when he caught a TD pass I cheered, and I was like "ok Alshon, show us!" There's this weird idea that you aren't a good fan when the player sucks and you call that out. Who would seriously root for Carson to fail? That’s the worst possible outcome for all of this. Every last one of us would prefer if Carson was the guy we saw in 2017 on a consistent basis. I’m not going to lie to myself and pretend like he’s playing like that.
December 16, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, downundermike said: Cam Newton - 24/37, 422 yards, 2 TD Andrew Luck - 23/45, 309 yards, 1 TD Geno Smith - 24/38, 256 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT; 6 rush, 47 yards Carson Wentz - 22/37, 278 yards, 2 TD Deshone Kizer - 20/30, 222 yards, 1 TD Robert Griffin - 19/26, 320 yards, 2 TD I am sure I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point. Not for nothing, but Jalen Hurts had 273 total yards and a touchdown against one of the best teams in football. Also Carson’s 278 yards was against a one win Browns team. Just sayin.
December 16, 20204 yr 15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Not for nothing, but Jalen Hurts had 273 total yards and a touchdown against one of the best teams in football. Also Carson’s 278 yards was against a one win Browns team. Just sayin. This discussion is about passing yards. He said NO qb's light it up in their first start. I proved otherwise.
December 16, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, downundermike said: This discussion is about passing yards. He said NO qb's light it up in their first start. I proved otherwise. I believe Kolb in his first start threw for nearly 400 yards so meh.
December 16, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I believe Kolb in his first start threw for nearly 400 yards so meh. Thanks for contributing. Another QB who lit it up passing in his first start, even though someone form the Hurts crowd said no one does it.
December 17, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, downundermike said: am sure I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point Ok, probably an overreach saying "no rookies”, but I think these young developmental types can take some time to adjust to the pro level. Peyton Manning threw 3 INTs in his first start. McNabb only had 161 passing yards in his first start. Really, my point here was more that we should expect Jalen to improve with experience. Carson should not, at this point in his career, he is who he is.
December 17, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, olsilverhair said: Dude, do you know who I am You are "olsilverhair”! Should I know who you are other than that?
December 17, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, downundermike said: Thanks for contributing. Another QB who lit it up passing in his first start, even though someone form the Hurts crowd said no one does it. Yeah it doesn’t really mean all that much. Kolb is proof of that.
December 17, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, EricAllenPick6 said: Ok, probably an overreach saying "no rookies”, but I think these young developmental types can take some time to adjust to the pro level. Peyton Manning threw 3 INTs in his first start. McNabb only had 161 passing yards in his first start. Really, my point here was more that we should expect Jalen to improve with experience. Carson should not, at this point in his career, he is who he is. It’s kind of ridiculous to over analyze the first start of the kid, besides to me what he did on the field is more important than his total numbers. He threw the ball away when it wasn’t there. He used his legs to extend drives which allowed the Eagles to keep running the ball. He slid which it seems like forever since we saw an Eagles quarterback slide instead of dive. He played smart and he played a controlled game. I didn’t expect him to come out and throw for 400 yards, and frankly that doesn’t mean anything. He played smart wining football. We have seen teams not rely as much on young quarterbacks anyways. Young Tom Brady was not a very good quarterback. Big Ben would tell you himself he was basically trash their first Super Bowl. Russell Wilson wasn’t as big to the Seahawks that first Super Bowl as he is to them now. He developed into a much greater player later. All in all it’s just one game so far. The numbers will not fully tell the story of how well Hurts played.
December 17, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, downundermike said: Thanks for contributing. Another QB who lit it up passing in his first start, even though someone form the Hurts crowd said no one does it. Cmon Mike, what’s your point? Just pointing out hyperboles or do you actually think those stats you posted matter?
December 17, 20204 yr Look- Carson is playing hurt from pas t injuries and the Redskins game this season. I’m not sure how to evaluate him for the long term.
December 17, 20204 yr On 12/6/2020 at 4:32 PM, time2rock said: Happy to see Hurts look decent. But still a Wentz believer ... he just needs time to get his head right. Anyway, point is, I think we’ll be OK at QB either way moving forward. Hope Hurts starts next weekend. I can see Wentz coming back...but not in Philly. He was doing great with Reich..because they were very close besides coaching. They had a Christian connection and a great personal relationship. If Indy decided to trade for Wentz, it would be great for Wentz and Indy.... who will need a new QB next year anyway. I am waiting to see if any legitimate offers materialize in the offseason. Wentz is most likely finished in Philly...unless he miraculously returns to 2017 form next year, which is very unlikely. I like Hurts very much, and there is no argument that even at this point he is far more productive then Wentz.
December 17, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, Outlaw said: Cmon Mike, what’s your point? Just pointing out hyperboles or do you actually think those stats you posted matter? He said a rookie QB "NEVER” lights it up passing in their first start. I have proven otherwise.
December 17, 20204 yr 14 hours ago, EricAllenPick6 said: Ok, probably an overreach saying "no rookies”, but I think these young developmental types can take some time to adjust to the pro level. Peyton Manning threw 3 INTs in his first start. McNabb only had 161 passing yards in his first start. Really, my point here was more that we should expect Jalen to improve with experience. Carson should not, at this point in his career, he is who he is. Agreed about Jalen. I dont agree with the second part. Carson frustrates the hell out of me because he seems to have peaked, and the regression from last year to this year is jarring. But, I find it hard to believe that Carson will not improve from where he currently is, we have already seen him play at a high level. He has that potential, he is just a complete train wreck right now.
December 17, 20204 yr 38 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said: Agreed about Jalen. I dont agree with the second part. Carson frustrates the hell out of me because he seems to have peaked, and the regression from last year to this year is jarring. But, I find it hard to believe that Carson will not improve from where he currently is, we have already seen him play at a high level. He has that potential, he is just a complete train wreck right now. I agree about Carson. The question in my mind is whether his problems are mental/emotional of if there's something going on physically beyond the knee and back. I doubt we know all there is to know about aftereffects of severe concussions. Possibly not all concussions and everyone's reaction to them are the same. We have a sorta friend who was a hothead and got into a fight. I don't know details but he took a hard blow to the head and can no longer really work. He's physically OK but his mental functioning has suffered greatly. I wonder if Carson has something like this to a far lesser degree.
December 17, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, downundermike said: He said a rookie QB "NEVER” lights it up passing in their first start. I have proven otherwise. Ok, pointing out hyperbole then.
December 17, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Ok, pointing out hyperbole then. Not sure why it is a big deal. He said, NADA, NEVER does a rookie QB light it up in his first start. Proven false. Currently, I am pretty pissed off at everyone discrediting everything Carson Wentz has done for this franchise, and pumping up a guy as the future, after one start, with inflated stats due to unsustainable rushing numbers, and then going to no rookie QB's ever light it up passing in their first start as the go to line, which is 100% false. If the Eagles move on from Carson Wentz and he ends up in Indy, a whole lot of people in the Eagles organization are going to look really F'ing stupid, and this franchise will be set back for years.
December 17, 20204 yr QB controversies always bring out the GOTCHA! posts. People want their opinions vindicated.
December 17, 20204 yr 27 minutes ago, downundermike said: Currently, I am pretty pissed off at everyone discrediting everything Carson Wentz has done for this franchise, and pumping up a guy as the future, after one start, with inflated stats due to unsustainable rushing numbers, and then going to no rookie QB's ever light it up passing in their first start as the go to line, which is 100% false. If the Eagles move on from Carson Wentz and he ends up in Indy, a whole lot of people in the Eagles organization are going to look really F'ing stupid, and this franchise will be set back for years. We can disagree on this season, but I absolutely don’t think we should trade Carson. We need somebody to work with him in the off-season to fix some mechanical issues, and a new play caller. We go into camp next year with a open QB competition. He can bounce back, I just don’t think it’s a certainty and I’m excited to see what Jalen can do when given a few games to start.
December 17, 20204 yr 18 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said: We can disagree on this season, but I absolutely don’t think we should trade Carson. We need somebody to work with him in the off-season to fix some mechanical issues, and a new play caller. We go into camp next year with a open QB competition. He can bounce back, I just don’t think it’s a certainty and I’m excited to see what Jalen can do when given a few games to start. Best case a change in coaching and play calling plus an offseason and Carson is back where he was. Jalen looks good in the remaining games. At that point the Eagles have 2 valuable commodities. I would trade one for a 1st plus and draft another prospect. QUARTERBACK FACTORY!!! And no, I don't really expect that.
December 17, 20204 yr 51 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said: We can disagree on this season, but I absolutely don’t think we should trade Carson. We need somebody to work with him in the off-season to fix some mechanical issues, and a new play caller. We go into camp next year with a open QB competition. He can bounce back, I just don’t think it’s a certainty and I’m excited to see what Jalen can do when given a few games to start. Absolutely not. We cannot just give Carson another year because then we're on the hook for his massive 2022 dead cap money. We need to get rid of him NOW so we're free and clear in 2022 and onwards.
December 17, 20204 yr 11 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said: Absolutely not. We cannot just give Carson another year because then we're on the hook for his massive 2022 dead cap money. We need to get rid of him NOW so we're free and clear in 2022 and onwards.
December 17, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, downundermike said: Wrong. Wentz is not the answer so it doesn't matter if he's here or if he's not here. If Hurts isn't the answer we need to find someone else anyway. Although I'm glad you can finally admit that Jalen Hurts played a great game. Baby steps!
December 17, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said: Wrong. Wentz is not the answer so it doesn't matter if he's here or if he's not here. If Hurts isn't the answer we need to find someone else anyway. Although I'm glad you can finally admit that Jalen Hurts played a great game. Baby steps! That is Charles Barkley's quote, not mine. No way of telling anything about either player at this point. Wentz has a body of work in the NFL, Jalen Hurts does not, and was not overly impressive last week. Multiple people have broken down the problems with the Saints defense in the first half, and Allen corrected and shut him down in the second besides a short field TD. We know you hate Wentz, hopefully you are just as critical of Hurts when he struggles as more film is acquired. Cardinals have a LB and Safety both fast enough to spy, and they will not crash inside and set a soft edge like the Saints did in the first half.
December 17, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, downundermike said: Jalen Hurts does not, and was not overly impressive last week. See now I agree there needs to be balance but this isn't balance. Hurts, in his first NFL start and with the offense that we have, was very impressive in his first NFL start. We can debate Wentz all day long and I agree it's too early to declare Hurts as the answer but give the guy credit. He came out against a top nfl defense, he took what they gave him and he didn't take negative plays or take risks. He played well. He wasn't elite. He wasn't incredible but he played very well.
