5 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's 2021. If companies could have easily automated those jobs, they would have already. It's not linked to minimum wage, but feasibility. 

Look at truck drivers. That's a job that's most likely going to be automated in 20 years, yet they earn more than minimum wage. It's also one of the largest industries in the U.S. In this case, automation is a function of technology not cost. 

This is one of those rare times, I totally disagree with you.  Keep raising the minimum wage and you will eliminate jobs.  Companies haven't automated things yet that aren't high enough priority to justify.  Raise labor cost high enough, and the equation changes.  The payback on automation investments get a lot more attractive.  Small businesses won't pay it.  They will make cuts and squeeze more out of everyone else.  They will also look at automation options.  Big companies, for many types of jobs... they will invest in technology.  This doesn't apply to EVERY job, like your truck driver example (though as you noted, this is not a "minimum wage" job).

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a "living wage."  Your kids get jobs for "minimum wage" when they are old enough to work.  People take 2nd or part time jobs for "minimum wage."  Someone with competence and a skill set might start at "minimum wage" and moves up the ladder as they take on new responsibilities or move into a new role.  As they gain experience, they may move to a different organization for a higher paid position. 

16 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Can you live on 7.25 per hour ?

I’m gonna live in the ball pit at McDonald’s and live off the dollar menu. 

I don’t really care about minimum wage because capitalism will find a way, one way or another.  
 

Anyone who pretends to have the evidence or the right answer is trying to mislead you.  Yes, you can raise the minimum wage to a point that will benefit workers without driving companies under.  Yes, you reach a threshold where it’s too high and it becomes a problem.  No, the exact point of that threshold is not plainly obvious.

But if you soar past that threshold, again, the markets will figure it out.  Everyone will move out of that state/country, or industry WILL find a way to automate overpaid unskilled jobs out of existence, or the illegal workforce will absorb what work they can under the radar of the government.  The government may give out free lunches, but corporations won’t.  One way or another, things will balance.  So don’t stress over it.

25 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Can you live on 7.25 per hour ?

 

You cant live on $15 per hour either. 

 

Jacking up the minimum wage accomplishes nothing but increased prices all around, Fing over small businesses and overall less jobs available for those low paying jobs.  

Teenagers trying to build a work ethic and get their toes wet working a job? Sorry, won't be those jobs for you anymore. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I'd point out to you Chris Simms fans, that he's a Howie believer.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/chris-simms-eagles-biggest-rebuild-football

Is there such a thing?  Never heard of that before.   It must be new.

I hope Mac Jones and Hurts are friends from being at Bama so it’s not so awkward in the QB room 

Chris Simms is hardly a Howie fan. He said some nice things on the Eagle Eye podcast, but he's been extremely critical of Howie's drafting over the last 5 years and the old, unavailable WRs he has signed. He hated the Reagor pick. Let's not defend Howie by saying Simms is a fan. That's not really the case.

Anyone else concerned about the complete lack of experience of our coaching staff?
 

I was completely fine with hiring a first time HC who can bring some new good ideas but usually you’d want at least 1 senior coordinator/assistant/analyst that has a decent amount of high level coaching experience. I think having Schwartz around really helped Doug at the beginning. 
 

Right now we basically our entire coaching staff is doing these roles for the first time. 

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

If you raise the wage to a certain level, then the cost/benefit of automation becomes an easier investment for firms. It's less change, less work in store etc to stay as is, but especially if you are publically traded, it becomes trickier where shareholder value is considered.

Younger generations see nothing wrong in ordering a Macs on an app, getting it delivered to a table (or home) and leaving the store without the need to talk to anyone.  My Gran's generation would be horrified.  The times, they are a changin

In your gran's generation... at least over here... your Grandpa could work a 9-5, working for someone else, and provide a nice life.  Nice home (which they owned), 2 cars, vacation or two per year.  Money to raise the kids.  Your grandma could stay home, take care of the house, raise children.  Certainly never work.  This was "average" or expected lifestyle.

Things sure have changed.  So many families need two incomes, multiple jobs, etc. just to make ends meet.  Many, many reasons for this obviously but we don't have to get into it.  Just noting the difference.

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

Anyone else concerned about the complete lack of experience of our coaching staff?
 

I was completely fine with hiring a first time HC who can bring some new good ideas but usually you’d want at least 1 senior coordinator/assistant/analyst that has a decent amount of high level coaching experience. I think having Schwartz around really helped Doug at the beginning. 
 

Right now we basically our entire coaching staff is doing these roles for the first time. 

Not really.  It is a concern, but they at least have a shot at being very effective.  The bigger concern is the people still picking the players are a clown show.  Until that is resolved, you can resurrect Vince Lombardi and it will not matter.

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Chris Simms is hardly a Howie fan. He said some nice things on the Eagle Eye podcast, but he's been extremely critical of Howie's drafting over the last 5 years and the old, unavailable WRs he has signed. He hated the Reagor pick. Let's not defend Howie by saying Simms is a fan. That's not really the case.

It's hard to find any real Howie fans.

9 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Anyone else concerned about the complete lack of experience of our coaching staff?
 

I was completely fine with hiring a first time HC who can bring some new good ideas but usually you’d want at least 1 senior coordinator/assistant/analyst that has a decent amount of high level coaching experience. I think having Schwartz around really helped Doug at the beginning. 
 

Right now we basically our entire coaching staff is doing these roles for the first time. 

I’d be more concerned if this team had goals of winning a division and competing for a SB. But since we aren’t i am thinking trial by fire is fine. You just hope as the year goes on they learn and get better and make jumps the next year and the following year to when we have higher expectations they can accomplish that. 

6 hours ago, greend said:

Then no need to raise minimum wage

The thing about a national minimum wage is a seeming assumption that it costs very nearly the same to live in San Jose, CA. and Hattiesburg, MS. It doesn't. If a state's minimum wage was tied to some sort of statewide median wage it might make better sense. IMO of course.

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You cant live on $15 per hour either. 

 

Jacking up the minimum wage accomplishes nothing but increased prices all around, Fing over small businesses and overall less jobs available for those low paying jobs.  

Teenagers trying to build a work ethic and get their toes wet working a job? Sorry, won't be those jobs for you anymore. 

If raising  minimal wage to 15 per hour hurts small business , they’re in the wrong business 

it will weed out the weak , capitalism at its finest 

it only seems like a big increase , because it’s been stagnant for years and years

Since anything goes in here today,

Kellen Winslow II was sentenced to only 14 years in jail. Our judicial system is ridiculous sometimes. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Since anything goes in here today,

Kellen Winslow II was sentenced to only 14 years in jail. Our judicial system is ridiculous sometimes. 

Someone posted on Facebook he raped 5 women and it equates to about 2.8 years per woman. So ridiculous. 

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10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Since anything goes in here today,

Kellen Winslow II was sentenced to only 14 years in jail. Our judicial system is ridiculous sometimes. 

Maybe the world will get lucky and he’ll pull a Hernandez 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Someone posted on Facebook he raped 5 women and it equates to about 2.8 years per woman. So ridiculous. 

Yea, I'm not understanding how he could plead guilty and the max punishment is 14 years but if it went to trial he could be sentenced to life without parole. Seems like a pretty wide gap there. The two counts he eventually pleaded guilty to were mistrials the first time, so I'm guessing the state wasn't confident in retrial. 

13 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If raising  minimal wage to 15 per hour hurts small business , they’re in the wrong business 

it will weed out the weak , capitalism at its finest 

it only seems like a big increase , because it’s been stagnant for years and years

In San Jose's first year of 15 dollar minimum wage, the city lost 60 restaurants...mostly mom and pop shops. The shortage for chefs is so severe, people are commuting 100 miles just to work in SJ and live in the central valley...it is crazy...let the market set the wage...

I wanted the hype to cool off so he might be in play at #6 but between this and Simms ranking today, he's hotter than ever.

22 minutes ago, John_C said:

This is one of those rare times, I totally disagree with you.  Keep raising the minimum wage and you will eliminate jobs.  Companies haven't automated things yet that aren't high enough priority to justify.  Raise labor cost high enough, and the equation changes.  The payback on automation investments get a lot more attractive.  Small businesses won't pay it.  They will make cuts and squeeze more out of everyone else.  They will also look at automation options.  Big companies, for many types of jobs... they will invest in technology.  This doesn't apply to EVERY job, like your truck driver example (though as you noted, this is not a "minimum wage" job).

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a "living wage."  Your kids get jobs for "minimum wage" when they are old enough to work.  People take 2nd or part time jobs for "minimum wage."  Someone with competence and a skill set might start at "minimum wage" and moves up the ladder as they take on new responsibilities or move into a new role.  As they gain experience, they may move to a different organization for a higher paid position. 

You need to look at the actual history but the minimum wage was definitely enacted to create a living wage.  It's just a historical falsehood to claim otherwise.  You can look at Roosevelt's claims after passing the National Recovery Act in 1933 that allowed for the establishment of a minimum wage.  Roosevelt specifically pointed to creating a liveable wage for Americans it was not meant as some artificial floor.  Here are his words:

In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1936-democratic-party-platform

Because of concerns that the Supreme Court would push back on a national minimum wage, Roosevelt pushed the idea of Court packing and certainly the 1936 Democratic Platform campaigned on the proposition of a established national minimum wage.  This concern was alleviated and Roosevelt backed off because of the Court's decision in West Coast Hotel v. Parrish which held a state's minimum wage provision did not violate a company's due process rights to freely negotiate.  Among other reasoning, one of the key reasons was:

 This exploitation and denial of a living wage is not only detrimental to the health and wellbeing of the women affected, but casts a direct burden for their support upon the community. Pp. 300 U. S. 394, 300 U. S. 398, et seq.

There is no history that indicates that the intention wasn't to create a liveable floor for workers.  Indeed the concern was that the floor would be the ceiling for workers.  Moreover the intent was to have that wage be liveable working 40 hours a week and 8 hours a day.  So to say that minimum wage laws were not enacted as a living wage provision is just a false idea that seems believable because no one can live off a $7.25 an hour on a 40 hour work week.  We know it isn't a liveable wage.  

I am unsure as to the negative impact of a $15 an hour wage.  I think it would hurt some employers but it's not a problem for others.  Certainly controlling wages is seen as a necessary cost measure to ensure profitability of businesses.  My belief is that we may be better served by taking away payroll taxes and HI costs from employers.  Those costs tend to be bigger obstacles than wages paid to the employee.  

17 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If raising  minimal wage to 15 per hour hurts small business , they’re in the wrong business 

it will weed out the weak , capitalism at its finest 

it only seems like a big increase , because it’s been stagnant for years and years

Almost any small business’s biggest expense is payroll. There will be less jobs. Jobs like cashiers won’t exist and there will be less employees just working more hours. 
 

Either way, I don’t think raising the minimum wage is nearly as big of a deal is the banks controlling the cost of living which is insane. In Baltimore city a townhouse that cost $80K 20 years ago now cost about $400K. My buddy’s house in Florida went from $150K to $250K in 5 years. Salaries are not increasing at that rate but cost of living is through the rough. 
 

A few years ago I managed a business in a an area I couldn’t afford a 1 bedroom apartment in. I managed 6 people, worked over 40 hours per week, did payroll, in charge of hiring and firing, had to be on call, etc... 

5 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

In San Jose's first year of 15 dollar minimum wage, the city lost 60 restaurants...mostly mom and pop shops. The shortage for chefs is so severe, people are commuting 100 miles just to work in SJ and live in the central valley...it is crazy...let the market set the wage...

Mom and pop shops are on their way out , not because of minimal wage increasing , box sores ,chain stores etc ... you don’t keep something broken going , just because it’s not fair .

Just now, Original Sin said:

Mom and pop shops are on their way out , not because of minimal wage increasing , box sores ,chain stores etc ... you don’t keep something broken going , just because it’s not fair .

the mom and pop shops I am referring to were well established restaurants that were fixtures in San Jose for decades. 15 dollar an hour decimated the lower paying wage jobs ...same is true in Seattle when they implemented...this has nothing to do with chains and box stores...it has to do with restaurants cutting lower skilled positions in order to survive because of an artificial obstruction in market systems