4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I asked last night and got no answers: who are the top five or so MLB prospects who project to play all three downs? Are there even that many?

Bolton, Collins and Davis seem like the top three, then McGrone and Moses.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie, like any good GM, is probably calling around the league, testing the waters for a possible trade up (and other GMs are calling him about a possible move down). And it's also a way to gather intel on the intentions of other GMs.

This is normal pre-draft activity, you can't make deals in 10 minutes with the clock running if you haven't laid the groundwork pre-draft, and you don't know who will be left when your pick approaches. The media then jumps on every phone call they hear about as evidence that a deal is going to be made.

You lost all credibility there.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Bolton, Collins and Davis seem like the top three, then McGrone and Moses.

I really like McGrone. The ACL complicates things. The scouting reports I’ve read on Moses post-knee surgery have been so bad. Sounds like it pretty much ruined his career. 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

You lost all credibility there.

While I think Howie should have been fired along with everyone else, I do think he has the ability to turn it around. I’m not nearly as confident as I was in him a few years ago though. 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie, like any good GM, is probably calling around the league, testing the waters for a possible trade up (and other GMs are calling him about a possible move down). And it's also a way to gather intel on the intentions of other GMs.

This is normal pre-draft activity, you can't make deals in 10 minutes with the clock running if you haven't laid the groundwork pre-draft, and you don't know who will be left when your pick approaches. The media then jumps on every phone call they hear about as evidence that a deal is going to be made.

Blah blah blah.  Trading out of the top ten pre draft only to explore trading back in pre or at the draft is not normal.  Exploring the parameters of a trade back is smart, but looking to get back into the top ten after trading out - while also giving up a 5th round pick to trade back- is stupid.  The smart move would have been to remain at six, explore the trade back options pre draft and make a move back during the draft.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I really like McGrone. The ACL complicates things. The scouting reports I’ve read on Moses post-knee surgery have been so bad. Sounds like it pretty much ruined his career. 

Yup, after the top three you are taking on a hefty amount of risk. But f you want a MLB, the well isn't very deep.

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is a much better passer than Lamar. And Sirianni will make tweaks to take advantage of his mobility, but it's going to be some variant on the Reich offensive scheme. A lot more scheming to get targets open on multiple levels, with outlets available when deep targets are covered, and the goal to get the ball out within 3 seconds on most passing plays - setting up the occasional deep shot. What you won't see a lot of is 4 deep routes and the QB praying the OL will hold up.

11 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

I think if Carson plays really well in Indy not many will think this way but it'll look bad on Doug.

Doug is the ultimate fall guy in this.  Wentz still has a chance to re-emerge if he plays well in Indy.  With Reich who knows how to use the skills of a QB.  Wentz has a reasonable chance.

Doug is out of the league this season.  He may get back in later.  But the label of a failed HC will stick with him until he can redeem himself in another gig. 

Howie got protection from Lurie.  The fact that he was sidelined but not gone during Chip Kelly era, tells you that Lurie will keep him around unless something seriously wrong.  Howie plays his cards carefully, no glaring mistakes in this and next drafts, he would be around for a lot longer.

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

While I think Howie should have been fired along with everyone else, I do think he has the ability to turn it around. I’m not nearly as confident as I was in him a few years ago though. 

If the Eagles didn't win the SB, then how would you feel? I starting to think that result had much more to do with luck than with skill. (I talking about the FO and not the players.)

2 ilb I like , Browning and Barnes , really like Barnes , not sure why he hasn’t gotten more love 

 

Afan called Howie a good GM and said Hurts is a much better passer than Lamar Jackson in back to back posts. Can’t think of a bigger homer moment on EMB... 

The one thing I can say about us Eagle fans is I don’t think our homerism is that bad. If a player sucks, he sucks and we gladly let the world know. Even if a player is good, we’re not ready to put him in the HOF the way other fanbases do. 
 

Steeler fans are the biggest homers I’ve been around. I remember arguing with a group who said Willie Parker was better than Westbrook. Around that same time Jerome Bettis (according to them) is top 5 RB of all time and Big Ben was better than Peyton. 

40 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie, like any good GM, is probably calling around the league, testing the waters for a possible trade up (and other GMs are calling him about a possible move down). And it's also a way to gather intel on the intentions of other GMs.

This is normal pre-draft activity, you can't make deals in 10 minutes with the clock running if you haven't laid the groundwork pre-draft, and you don't know who will be left when your pick approaches. The media then jumps on every phone call they hear about as evidence that a deal is going to be made.

Yeah, no, GMs typically don't trade out of the top 10 to immediately turn around to trade into the top 10.

18 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If the Eagles didn't win the SB, then how would you feel? I starting to think that result had much more to do with luck than with skill. (I talking about the FO and not the players.)

Agreed.   Lightning in a bottle.    Literally every move that year worked out perfectly.   Since then, every move has been a moderate to abject failure... every move.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I asked last night and got no answers: who are the top five or so MLB prospects who project to play all three downs? Are there even that many?

I know Dylan Moses has had some injuries at Alabama but he's one I would take a flier on in round 3. 

Of course Zaven Collins is the cream of the crop.  He can play any LB position every down. 

MIcah Parsons is molded the same way.  Play him inside or outside and never take him off the field.   I think Parsons and Collins are on the same level.

I love Nick Bolton.  He didn't test well but I think he's sort of a combination of Mychal Kendricks and Denzel Perryman.  I'd love to see him as an Eagle.

Monty Rice of UGA isn't a thumper, he's in that ideal Eagles LB range of 6-1 230ish but he's got instincts.  

There are quite a few LB that could immediately help the Eagles if they don't try to get cute.  

Mid-round LB. Nick Bolton, Dylan Moses, Monty Rice, Peter Werner all would come in and be better than 3/4 of the LB on the Eagles and make the team better.

However, Howie will manage to find an FCS safety and convert him to LB.  

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yeah, no, GMs typically don't trade out of the top 10 to immediately turn around to trade into the top 10.

True but Miami just did. Howie has become public enemy number 1. Any move he makes is going to be over-scrutinized. If we started at 12 to move up to 6 before the draft, he’d be getting ripped apart way worse. As I’ve said before, I like the way Howie moves around in the draft, just hate his picks more often than not in recent years. 
 

If he didn’t let Wentz bend him over the fence, it’d be a solid offseason so far.  

This clip is why I think Fields or Lance is the pick , not Jones

26 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If the Eagles didn't win the SB, then how would you feel? I starting to think that result had much more to do with luck than with skill. (I talking about the FO and not the players.)

Luck or not, I'll take it, even with the bad years after. I'm sure about 99% of Eagles fans said they would give their left nut to see the Eagles win a SB in there life time. Well the clippers are out and sharpened. Drop your drawers and get a stick to bite down on, this is going to sting a little. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I know Dylan Moses has had some injuries at Alabama but he's one I would take a flier on in round 3. 

Of course Zaven Collins is the cream of the crop.  He can play any LB position every down. 

MIcah Parsons is molded the same way.  Play him inside or outside and never take him off the field.   I think Parsons and Collins are on the same level.

I love Nick Bolton.  He didn't test well but I think he's sort of a combination of Mychal Kendricks and Denzel Perryman.  I'd love to see him as an Eagle.

Monty Rice of UGA isn't a thumper, he's in that ideal Eagles LB range of 6-1 230ish but he's got instincts.  

There are quite a few LB that could immediately help the Eagles if they don't try to get cute.  

Mid-round LB. Nick Bolton, Dylan Moses, Monty Rice, Peter Werner all would come in and be better than 3/4 of the LB on the Eagles and make the team better.

However, Howie will manage to find an FCS safety and convert him to LB.  

I do like Moses. He had a little bit of a down year but was playing through injury. He has all the measurables and intangibles of a top LB. Round 3 would be a no brainer if they don't take one higher. I am intrigued by Divine Diablo as a S/LB type player. But he would be more of a day 3 player to go along with another LB draft selection. But to me, the back 7 is nearly an empty cupboard. I'd have no problem having Divine in there as a smaller developmental piece to a bigger puzzle. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Luck or not, I'll take it, even with the bad years after. I'm sure about 99% of Eagles fans said they would give their left nut to see the Eagles win a SB in there life time. Well the clippers are out and sharpened. Drop your drawers and get a stick to bite down on, this is going to sting a little. 

I agree, we all made those comments of what we'd do to see an Eagles SB.  It was glorious and nothing better than sticking it to the Patriots.  However, there's being bad and trying to fix it and being Eagles bad which is denying the true problems and continuing to do the same thing over and over again.

This draft is HUGE.  We have 11 picks to start, Ertz could bring back more but I'm thinking in the end we see 9-10 draft picks made this year. 

There's no more DP, Duce Staley or Jim Schwartz.  I think those 3 had a huge influence on the kind of players the Eagles took even if Howie has the final say. 

We will know pretty quick if it's Howie making the final call or if Siriani is the one making the decisions.  I want to see Nick bring in HIS guys.  Guys that fit his vision of the Philadelphia Eagles.  I do NOT want to see guys Howie wants and says make this work NIck.

IF we get Howie picks again this year, then there's really no hope for next year's draft either.  By Howie picks, I mean the smartest guy in the room kind of picks.  We all know them.  

49 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If the Eagles didn't win the SB, then how would you feel? I starting to think that result had much more to do with luck than with skill. (I talking about the FO and not the players.)

Of course it would be less, but he did build a SB winner so we can’t simply ignore it. 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.   Lightning in a bottle.    Literally every move that year worked out perfectly.   Since then, every move has been a moderate to abject failure... every move.

And last year was this front office's "jumping the shark" if you will. It was a strong and pretty deep draft and they may have come out with nill by reaching for Reagor at 21 and then taking a QB in round two when this team had a lot of needs, immediate and upcoming. That move shook the foundation of the organization in other ways as well. I have no faith in this front office with Jeff pulling the strings from up above while using Halaby's spreadsheets of numbers as his driving force and Howie being his overall yes man. I think they may have let the GM answer go in Andrew Berry too. The athletic report did reveal how just about every side they interviewed all came out saying how good he was. Consequently, I really like a lot of the moves the Browns have made the past two years. 

26 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

True but Miami just did. Howie has become public enemy number 1. Any move he makes is going to be over-scrutinized. If we started at 12 to move up to 6 before the draft, he’d be getting ripped apart way worse. As I’ve said before, I like the way Howie moves around in the draft, just hate his picks more often than not in recent years. 
 

If he didn’t let Wentz bend him over the fence, it’d be a solid offseason so far.  

Howie is public enemy number 1 because of his incompetence, but you know that. I don't have an issue with moving back up (depending on cost) if they really love a player, but then why not just sit at 6 and take the player if you're that fond of him? Further, I really hate the idea of presumably trading up for a WR when this team is no where close to being good, so I really hope that isn't the play here.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Of course it would be less, but he did build a SB winner so we can’t simply ignore it. 

Howie pre-2017: 

 

Howie since then:

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I asked last night and got no answers: who are the top five or so MLB prospects who project to play all three downs? Are there even that many?

I think maybe these 5

Parsons

McGrone

Bolton

Werner

Moses