2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Maybe. An Edge with no sacks is not a lock to go top 32.

 

He wouldn’t get past Tampa , JPP replacement 

they target speed on defense 

 

27 minutes ago, RLC said:

Oweh is my preference as well. We already know how to mold a talented but raw pass rusher (Sweat).

Sweat was just as raw as Oweh. Sweat couldn't get off the ball at all in college.

 

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. I prefer athletic freaks at DE. If they put it together, you have an All-Pro. If he fails, I can live with it. 

I don’t like Oweh top 20.  Later in round 1...absolutely.
 

But with an extra 3rd this year, 3 firsts plus a full complement of picks next year...we should be willing to part with some mid round picks to move from 37 back into round 1.

Oweh is the guy I’d want to target with that move if he’s around late 20’s.

8 minutes ago, hputenis said:

What happens when you put the board on "easy?"  Do you get whoever you want in any round?  😂

Probably no one can do so well on difficult. I made it look easy. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Grant is older. I think that's why he's downgraded 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Since I already told Ace Nova I'd crap my pants if Mac Jones is a top 10 pick, I might need 3-4 pairs ready -- because if anyone is stupid enough to use a first round pick on Pete Werner I'll laugh for a solid 5 minutes 

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Was it yesterday Scheffter tweeted the Tobin opinion of Mel Kiper.  Yeah, the guy has had a very successful career as an entertainer - but if he was shooting even 50% he’d had job in the NFL.

 

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

Well, there was value in the pick...

 

 

 

 

 

... for JJAW.

As another poster mentioned it just shows how much of a crapshoot the draft is.  We blame Howie alot and he deserves it but he's not alone in the NFL.  

With big trades back, there's still plenty of ways to make it work which may be best. 

 

29. Jamin Davis

LB Kentucky                        

37. Jayson Oweh

EDGE Penn State

 

62. Dyami Brown

WR North Carolina        

70. Benjamin St-Juste

CB Minnesota

84. Jamar Johnson

S Indiana

123. Ambry Thomas

CB Michigan

142. Joshuah Bledsoe

S Missouri              

150. Adetokunbo Ogundeji

EDGE Notre Dame

189. Kylin Hill

RB Mississippi State

224. Justin Hilliard

LB Ohio State

225. Avery Williams

CB Boise State

234. Josh Ball

OT Marshall

240. Mustafa Johnson

DT Colorado

2022 GB 2nd

I’m a Penn State fan and I got no clue who Oweh is 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m a Penn State fan and I got no clue who Oweh is 

Exactly.  Tested off the charts, but doesn't play to that speed at all.

I just got around to watching the Roseman/Siri/Weidl press conference. When I watch Siri talk, I feel like that time I smoked too much weed by accident. Weidl always has this look like he's gonna punch the F out of someones face. Howie is the master of the deflect. He also blinked morse code to AustinFan. I translated it to "Lets spoon".

15 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

With big trades back, there's still plenty of ways to make it work which may be best. 

 

29. Jamin Davis

LB Kentucky                        

37. Jayson Oweh

EDGE Penn State

 

62. Dyami Brown

WR North Carolina        

70. Benjamin St-Juste

CB Minnesota

84. Jamar Johnson

S Indiana

123. Ambry Thomas

CB Michigan

142. Joshuah Bledsoe

S Missouri              

150. Adetokunbo Ogundeji

EDGE Notre Dame

189. Kylin Hill

RB Mississippi State

224. Justin Hilliard

LB Ohio State

225. Avery Williams

CB Boise State

234. Josh Ball

OT Marshall

240. Mustafa Johnson

DT Colorado

2022 GB 2nd

Pasting the first thirty from that Legwold list article... well reasoned list.  Not sure if it is ESPN+.  Would have thought Horn (one of the guys I'd be happy if they get at 12) would be higher on the list.

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1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson, 6-foot-5⅝, 213 pounds (DNR)

He was 34-2 as a starter at Clemson and 52-2 in high school. Lawrence's teams have a .956 winning percentage, two high school state titles, a national championship and no regular-season losses. Surgery on his left (non-throwing) shoulder earlier this year will have no impact on his draft status. Lawrence played the most high-stress downs against the best opponents of any quarterback on the board and flourished (nine career wins against Top 25 teams), throwing 90 touchdown passes with 17 interceptions for his career.

2. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida, 6-5⅝, 245 (4.44)

Some believe Pitts might be the top prospect on the board. He is a matchup migraine for defenses, with a large catch radius, quality hands and the ability to run crisp routes. Pitts finished his career as the Gators' all-time leader in receiving yards by a tight end (1,492), including seven catches for 129 yards against Alabama this past season.

3. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama, 6-1, 175 (DNR)

The Heisman winner, whose wiry frame has been questioned by some, declined to be measured or weighed at the Senior Bowl and Alabama's pro day, so his official height and weight were not available to teams until Smith was weighed and measured during his medical check in Indianapolis earlier this month. He also suffered a finger injury in his final game. Smith is the only receiver in SEC history with multiple games of four or more touchdowns and holds the SEC record for career receiving touchdowns (46), topping the previous record by 15.

 

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Ja'Marr Chase ready to bring his skill set to the NFL

Take a look at the highlights from LSU's Ja'Marr Chase as he gets ready to be one of the top receivers off the board in the NFL draft.

4. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU, 6-0⅜, 201 (4.38)

Chase opted out of the 2020 season but had 1,780 yards and 20 touchdowns in 2019 with Joe Burrow as his quarterback. Quibble about his ability to get off press coverage, but he wins the ball and scores when he has it. He had eight 100-yard games and three 200-yard games in 21 career starts.

5.Rashawn Slater, T, Northwestern, 6-4½, 304 (4.89)

The three-year starter opted out in 2020. His work against Chase Young in 2019 should be enough to tamp down any narrative about moving to guard. Slater has started games at left and right tackle and has smooth footwork, balance and recovery skills.

6. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama, 5-10*, 182* (DNR)

Waddle missed much of this past season with a fractured ankle, returning for the national title game but limping through much of it. His return skills are elite, with a career punt return average of 19.3 yards, as is his speed, given that he routinely obliterates any cushion. Waddle has three of the five longest scoring receptions in Alabama history.

7. Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama, 6-2, 208 (4.42)

Big corners always rise on the board on the draft weekend. Surtain started the last 38 games for the Crimson Tide and plays with the awareness and savvy people have come to expect from Nick Saban-coached defensive backs. A quality tackler in the open field, Surtain can play zone or press man and is a solid defender against the run.

8. Penei Sewell, T, Oregon, 6-4⅞, 331 (5.08)

Sewell opted out in 2020 after winning the Outland Trophy as a sophomore and becoming the third player in school history to be a unanimous first-team All-American. He allowed one sack in two seasons and none in his 926 snaps as a sophomore in 2019. Sewell showed remarkable athleticism at his pro day.

 

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Trey Lance is bringing these QB skills to the NFL

Relive some of the incredible plays from Trey Lance's college career.

9. Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State, 6-3⅞, 224 (DNR)

Lance is a raw prospect brimming with potential and won't even turn 21 until May. He played one game in 2020 -- the only game the Bison played due to COVID-19 restrictions -- and 20 teams sent scouts. Lance is smart, athletic and threw one interception in 318 career pass attempts. A team with patience and a plan will get an absolute gem.

10. Kwity Paye, OLB/DE, Michigan, 6-2½, 261 (4.58)

While some see a short strider with a somewhat underwhelming 11.5 career sacks, I see a guy who got moved all over the defensive front -- with snaps at nose tackle -- who has room to develop into far more. Paye missed time with a leg injury in 2020, but he plays with high effort, rockets out of his stance and pushes people off the ball.

11. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State, 6-2¾, 227 (4.45)

Fields works progressions, plays well in big moments, is smart enough to have been recruited by Harvard and tossed six TDs against Clemson despite taking a hit in the ribs that would have sent many to the emergency room. He averaged 244 yards passing in 22 games, with 63 TDs and nine interceptions.

12. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State, 6-3⅛, 246 (4.40)

Parsons has the coveted versatility to beat blocks in the run game, cover in the passing game, blitz and make plays all over the formation. Teams have questioned him extensively about a fight with a former teammate at Penn State -- he was later named in a lawsuit against the school, coach James Franklin and another player that included charges of hazing. Parsons said after his pro day workout: "We all made mistakes when we were 17 or 18. ... I know the type of person I'm becoming.''

13. Christian Darrisaw, T, Virginia Tech, 6-4¾, 322 (DNR)

Darrisaw has all of the attributes of a long-term solution at left tackle. He cuts off angles of the speed rushers and has shown the strength to stifle power-first guys. A product of his youth, he has been known to get spotty with the details -- like his hand placement -- but is a quality player who is ascending.

14. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB, Notre Dame, 6-1½, 221 (DNR)

Some say he's a safety, some say a weakside linebacker, some say a hybrid. I say figure it out, because Owusu-Koramoah can rocket to the ball carrier in run defense, cover in the passing game and blitz when needed. He won the Butkus Award in 2020 and had 24.5 tackles for loss in the last two seasons combined.

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15. Alijah Vera-Tucker, G/T, USC, 6-4½, 308 (5.10)

Vera-Tucker was an All-Pac-12 player at guard before he opted out and then opted back in for the 2020 season to start at left tackle. Some evaluators see a future NFL guard, but his work this past season at tackle shouldn't be dismissed. Vera-Tucker's ability in pass protection and toughness make him one of the safest bets on the board.

16. Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama, 6-4⅛, 310 (4.93)

Barmore had a slow windup to start 2020, but his final three games, including the Tide's two playoff wins, included 15 tackles, two for loss, two sacks and a forced fumble. And he has one of the best first steps on the board.

17. Najee Harris, RB, Alabama, 6-1⅜, 232 (DNR)

Harris is a big back with elusiveness in a crowd and versatility in his game. He had 43 receptions in 2020, 70 receptions over his last two seasons and is sound in blitz pickup. In short, this is an NFL back who will contribute from day one.

18. Azeez Ojulari, OLB/DE, Georgia, 6-2¼, 249 (4.62)

When Ojulari learns some additional counters -- and he will have to -- there is a strong, quick, fiercely competitive pass-rusher waiting to happen. He led the SEC in tackles for loss and sacks in 2020 (12.5 and 8.0). He had 69 quarterback pressures over the last two years.

19. Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson, 5-10⅛, 215 (4.41)

It's not just the elite speed, the 7.2 career yards per carry or the 74 career touchdowns, it is the fact that Etienne could turn many short throws in the NFL into enormous game-changing plays.

20. Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern, 6-0¼, 192 (4.39)

Newsome's competitiveness in coverage can be seen on every snap, and he has enough athleticism and speed to match up with NFL receivers. He draws flags at times -- 15 in 21 career games -- but he's too smart, smooth and talented to have that be a nagging issue long term.

21. Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina, 6-0¾, 205 (4.38)

The penalty flags are a concern with Horn --- five in seven games in 2020 -- but he is a ready-made press-man corner. He did finish his career with more sacks (three) than interceptions (two), but with work on technique issues, his talent will produce more ball production.

 

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Trevon Moehrig's NFL draft profile

Check out the highlights that make TCU's Trevon Moehrig a prospect in this year's NFL draft.

22. Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU, 6-0⅝, 202 (4.52)

The Jim Thorpe Award winner will give defensive coordinators options. Moehrig was a team captain and was voted most valuable special teams player early in his career. He created nine takeaways and knocked down 26 passes over the last two seasons combined.

23. Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa, 6-4⅞, 259 (4.66)

The winner of the Nagurski and Bednarik Awards is a former high school quarterback who led his team to a state title as a senior. Collins is a rare combination of size and athleticism, a high-effort tackler in the run game with ability in coverage. He had four interceptions in 2020 and returned two for touchdowns.

24. Zach Wilson, QB, BYU, 6-2⅛, 210 (DNR)

Wilson romped through the Cougars' 2020 schedule with six 300-yard games, two 400-yard games, 33 touchdowns and three interceptions. It was a meteoric rise for a player who threw 11 TDs and nine interceptions the year before. He had shoulder and hand surgery in 2019.

25. Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami, 6-6⅝, 266 (4.68)

A former high school safety, Rousseau has grown into one of the most intriguing pass-rushers on the board. He has an 83¼-inch arm span and has plenty of developmental room, but after opting out in 2020 and missing all but two games as a freshman in 2018 with an ankle injury, his résumé is the 2019 season, when he led the ACC in sacks (15.5) and tackles for loss (19.5).

26. Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech, 6-1, 207 (DNR)

Farley, who opted out in 2020, has had back issues in the last year, with a second surgery on March 23. His health will dictate his ranking on draft boards around the league. A former wide receiver for the Hokies, he has played defensive back for two seasons and led the ACC in passes defensed with 16 in 2019.

27. Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky, 6-3½, 234 (4.48)

Davis gets off blocks, has the closing speed to finish plays and can work in coverage. He finished the 2020 season with 102 tackles, 1.5 sacks, three interceptions, a defensive touchdown and a blocked kick. He had seven games with at least 10 tackles this past season.

28. Teven Jenkins, T, Oklahoma State, 6-5⅞, 317 (5.02)

Watching Jenkins' bruising work in the run game will lift the mood of any offensive line coach. He played at left tackle, right tackle and right guard in his 44 games with the Cowboys. He projects as a right tackle, but some believe he may move to guard. There are some footwork issues to clean up, but this is a future starter.

29. Terrace Marshall Jr., WR, LSU, 6-2½, 205 (4.40)

Marshall played in seven games in 2020 before opting out for the last two games of the season. There were times when he seemed frustrated with all of the attention he received from opposing defenses with Ja'Marr Chase out and Justin Jefferson in the NFL. Marshall averaged more than 100 yards receiving per game and 15.2 yards per catch.

30. Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida, 5-11⅝, 193 (4.38)

Toney needs some polish in his routes, but those who find a way to get the ball to him with a little room to work will reap the rewards. His combination of speed and elusiveness is seen over and over. Toney scored touchdowns rushing, receiving, passing and on a punt return.

31. Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami, 6-5½, 260 (4.58)

 

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Probably no one can do so well on difficult. I made it look easy. 

What site are you guys using for this?  I wanna do one!  

6 minutes ago, pangbun said:

I just got around to watching the Roseman/Siri/Weidl press conference. When I watch Siri talk, I feel like that time I smoked too much weed by accident. Weidl always has this look like he's gonna punch the F out of someones face. Howie is the master of the deflect. He also blinked morse code to AustinFan. I translated it to "Lets spoon".

Interesting. If I smoke too much weed I just fall asleep. I felt like his PC was the hypothetical scenario of you think you are smoking weed but it’s all crystal meth.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting. If I smoke too much weed I just fall asleep. I felt like his PC was the hypothetical scenario of you think you are smoking weed but it’s all crystal meth.

Amazing!  That's my experience when I read through the posts in here.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting. If I smoke too much weed I just fall asleep. I felt like his PC was the hypothetical scenario of you think you are smoking weed but it’s all crystal meth.

yeah, that,  or a taking a pre workout supplement with three scoops rather than the directions stating to start with only a half. 

17 minutes ago, hputenis said:

What site are you guys using for this?  I wanna do one!  

Lemon party 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Exactly.  Tested off the charts, but doesn't play to that speed at all.

Mamula

 

The Eagles are "up to something” with the 12th pick and a possible deal could involve Zach Ertz, per Jeremy Fowler.

 

This is interesting.  If they can get up to pick 8 by using Ertz one of the 3rds and not using 37 that would be huge.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

The Eagles are "up to something” with the 12th pick and a possible deal could involve Zach Ertz, per Jeremy Fowler.

 

This is interesting.  If they can get up to pick 8 by using Ertz one of the 3rds and not using 37 that would be huge.

What’s the value of Zertz in that deal (I don’t have draft value chart handy)? 5th?

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

The Eagles are "up to something” with the 12th pick and a possible deal could involve Zach Ertz, per Jeremy Fowler.

 

This is interesting.  If they can get up to pick 8 by using Ertz one of the 3rds and not using 37 that would be huge.

I'm only interested in that if one of Pitts/Chase falls. There's no other position player worth trading up for given where we are as a franchise IMO. 

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

What’s the value of Zertz in that deal (I don’t have draft value chart handy)?

A 5th

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A 5th

Not exactly a windfall; realistic though.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Not exactly a windfall; realistic though.

I wouldn’t want to trade him at that value, I think you could get a better return in a player for player trade