8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The NBA is a joke. 

Besides players sitting out for "rest" (screw the fans, right?), caring more about social activism than their own jobs, and star players like Harden and Irving being legit psychopaths, the actual product on the floor sucks.

Its bad basketball played by a bunch of coddled self-identified "victims" followed by lecturing and whining

They need to fold the league and start over.  Nuke it from space

They need a Commissioner with some balls.  It’s a player-driven league 100%

People can hate on Roger Goodell all they want, but he laps the field as the best commissioner in North American pro sports — no one else is close 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My grade for your draft is C-.

That website is so ridiculous. Anything is an A or A+. It's probably what Howies uses to prep for the draft and why he thinks he's good at it.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Agreed, except for this.  

 

 

 

For real!

I’m confused I thought it meant let’s Fin go 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That website is so ridiculous. Anything is an A or A+. It's probably what Howies uses to prep for the draft and why he thinks he's good at it.

It's also why I would be a better GM.  

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan said he's lived in Philly a long time. The fans and media are smart. They won't buy a bunch of BS. He said to go into that press conference and make excuse after excuse like guys got taken a few spots ahead of the Eagles in drafts is BS. He said take the next best guy. Or stop trading away picks so you can move up if you need to. Or draft more good players. It's no excuse.

Then they both said they know guys around the league who work for the best drafting teams who all have a rule. Once your organization sets your draft board it doesn't change. You stick to the board. If the guys you like are gone, you take the next best guy.

He said the Eagles use analytics too much instead of tape, because Lurie always is pushing analytics, and he said the Eagles sometimes go way off the board and make surprise picks. That their process is flawed. Mosher said he knows from several sources many people in the personnel department were totally blindsided by the Hurts pick. That Howie went way off the board when he made that pick.

He said teams like the Ravens and Steelers always do well in the draft because they stick to their board 100% and have long sometimes heated debates over personnel and they welcome it leading up to the draft, but once they all agree on a consensus they stick to the board and the Eagles don't.

Makes sense, thanks for sharing.  One of the aspects of the flawed process.

43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hyperbole much? Let's look at AFC teams that won 10+ games, 2016-2019 drafts

Pro bowl bolded. Strike through are non-starter in the top 100 picks.

Tennesse is the best drafting team.

Buffalo:  2016:  Lawson DE #19, Ragland LB #41, Washington DT #80, 2017: White CB #27, Jones WR #37, Dawkins G #63, Milano LB #163; 2018: Allen QB #7, Edmunds LB #16, Phillips DT #96, Teller G #166; 2019: Oliver DT #9, Ford T #38, Singletary RB #74, Knox TE #96

Miami:  2016:  Tunsil T #13, Howard CB #38, Drake RB #73; 2017: Harris LB #22, McMillan LB #54; Tankersley CB #97, Godchaux DT #157; 2018: Fitzpatrick S #11, Gesicki TE #41, Baker LB #73; 2019: Wilkins DT #13, Dieter G #78, Van Ginkel LB #151

Tennessee:  2016:  Conklin T #8, Dodd DE #33, Johnson NT #43, Henry RB #45, Byard S #64; 2017: Davis WR #5, Jackson CB #18, Taylor WR #72, Smith TE #100, Brown LB #155; 2018: Evans LB #22, Landry LB #43; 2019: Simmons DT #19, Brown WR #51, Davis OG #82.

Indianapolis:  2016: Kelly C #18, Green S #57, Clark T #82, Haeg T #155, Blythe C #248; 2017:  Hooker S #15, Wilson CB #46, Basham #80 DE, Mack RB #143, Walker LB #161; 2018: Nelson G 46, Leonard LB #36, Smith G #37, Turay LB #56, Lewis DE #64, Hines RB #104; 2019: Rock Ya-Sin CB #34, Banogu LB #49, Campbell WR #59, Okereke LB #88

Pittsburgh:  2016: Burns CB #25, Davis S #58, Hargrave DT #89; 2017: Watt OLB #30, Smith-Schuster WR #62, Sutton CB #94; Connor RB #105; 2018: Edmunds S #28, Washington WR #60, Rudolph QB #76, Okorafor T #92; 2019: Bush LB #10, Johnson WR #66, Layne CB #83, Snell RB #122

Cleveland:  2016:  Coleman WR #15, Ogbah DE #32, Nassib DE #65, Coleman T #76, Kessler QB #93, Schobert LB #99; 2017: Garrett DE #1, Peppers S #25, Njoke TE #29, Kizer QB #52, Ogunjobi DT #65; 2018: Mayfield QB #1, Ward CB #4, Corbett G #33, Chubb RB #35, Thomas DE #67; 2019: Williams CB #46, Takitaki LB #80; Wilson LB #177 (only one of 17 post 100 picks in four years to start for the Browns).

Baltimore:  2016:  Stanley DT #6, Correa DE #42, Kaufusi DT #70; Lewis T #130, Judon DE #146; 2017: Humphrey CB #16, Bowser LB #47, Wormley DT #74, Williams LB #78, Clark S #186; 2018: Hurst TE #25, Jackson QB #32, Brown T #83, Andrews TE #86, Young LB #122; Bozeman G #215; 2019: Brown WR #25, Ferguson DE #85

Kansas City:  2016:  Jones DT #37, Russell CB #74, Hill WR #165; 2017: Mahomes QB #10, Kpassagon DE #55, Hunt RB #86; 2018: Speaks DE #46, Nnadi DT #75; 2019: Hardman WR #56, Thornhill S #63, Saunders DT #84

 

All much better teams with much better draft results than the Eagles in recent years.  Look at all of the impact players and solid starters... the Eagles should be compared to the worst drafting teams, like the Jets.  Eagles and Jets are neck and neck.  31st and 32nd in the NFL.

25 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So I understand the Lurie criticisms 100% but I still think people are being a little unfair and not looking at his perspective.  IMO he's always been a good and supportive owner.

--He is every bit as invested in the success of the team as any fan.  In fact, hes a lot more invested if you want to get real about it.  Its fair to say he wants a stable, winning organization more than anyone on the planet

--Howie has been around a long time.  After LII, Im sure Lurie views Howie as a bit of a Made Man.  Hes been around since AR, a looong time, Im sure Lurie feels hes earned his stripes and he made it thru the Chip fiasco.   Doug was a relative newcomer.   If you were him, would you really want to clean house and start from scratch, knowing youd have to bring in consultants to help hire both a GM and a HC?   He just won a SB, hes not going to scorch the earth.

And who's to say hes not taking a tiered approach, where if last year happens again, this time it is Howie who goes?

--Lurie is not a football guy. He must 100% rely on his staff.  All he can do is structure the organization how he sees fit. As many have pointed out, hes not relying on uncited reports, he is in the room and knows whats going on.

--After Chip, his decision making made total logical sense.  They just stayed on the ride too long.  Cant blame him.    

 

The fact that he wont give the fans and media their pound of flesh doesnt bother me at all.  He doesnt owe use any explanations when you get right down to it.  Sorry but thats reality, we're all going to continue paying the man

Lurie was a good owner, he has decided to make some different decisions in recent years that have changed that.  Now he is a meddling owner who shirks accountability for what he is doing, undermines people he hires and gets involved in decisions that should be entrusted to others.

It's not about the media or the "pound of flesh."  It is about making decisions that are in the best interests of the franchise, which he has an absolute obligation to do.  Retaining the GM has no justification and is pure nepotism.  His track record is total failure across the board.

The owner does indeed owe the fans an explanation.  He understands this, which is why he was on a Zoom this week.  His answers were laughably bad, nonsensical in many respects, but he was on there.  If he keeps this up, not only will he enjoy continued ridicule by the community and his peers, he will see changes in the fan base and team support which will have a multifaceted impact.  If he continues in this way, he will need to sell the team.  He's not the first owner, and will not be the last owner of the Eagles.

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That website is so ridiculous. Anything is an A or A+. It's probably what Howies uses to prep for the draft and why he thinks he's good at it.

Not to mention you just keep trading back and back, and come out of the draft with 18 players, and 3 additional picks for the following season.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Someone sell me on Joe Brady. I don't know how I feel about hiring a guy who just turned 31

That's agist!!!

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I've said this a lot before, that people point to finding gems in mid to late rounds or UDFA.  That's when Howie doesn't know these guys and relies on the scouts draft board and the coaches.  In the higher rounds is where he wants to make a splash and think he's made some genius move.

So people point to picks like Sweat, Big V, Beau Allen, Driscoll in later rounds and think see they're not that bad at drafting.  The issue is when they pick in the first few rounds they don't take the best players, and they often miss out on players that were available that go on to be better than who they took.  Every team experiences this on some level, it's just a lot with the Eagles. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That's agist!!!

It is though. Now lack of experience? Sure.

55 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So I understand the Lurie criticisms 100% but I still think people are being a little unfair and not looking at his perspective.  IMO he's always been a good and supportive owner.

--He is every bit as invested in the success of the team as any fan.  In fact, hes a lot more invested if you want to get real about it.  Its fair to say he wants a stable, winning organization more than anyone on the planet

--Howie has been around a long time.  After LII, Im sure Lurie views Howie as a bit of a Made Man.  Hes been around since AR, a looong time, Im sure Lurie feels hes earned his stripes and he made it thru the Chip fiasco.   Doug was a relative newcomer.   If you were him, would you really want to clean house and start from scratch, knowing youd have to bring in consultants to help hire both a GM and a HC?   He just won a SB, hes not going to scorch the earth.

And who's to say hes not taking a tiered approach, where if last year happens again, this time it is Howie who goes?

--Lurie is not a football guy. He must 100% rely on his staff.  All he can do is structure the organization how he sees fit. As many have pointed out, hes not relying on uncited reports, he is in the room and knows whats going on.

--After Chip, his decision making made total logical sense.  They just stayed on the ride too long.  Cant blame him.    

 

The fact that he wont give the fans and media their pound of flesh doesnt bother me at all.  He doesnt owe use any explanations when you get right down to it.  Sorry but thats reality, we're all going to continue paying the man

Lurie has been a very good owner for most of his tenure here.  For starters, he's never been afraid to spend money for talent.  Anyone who remembers the Norman Braman days knows how frustrating it can be when an owner refuses to spend money either acquiring or keeping top talent. 

During the Andy Reid era, Lurie (pretty much) let Andy do what he needed to do.  Then the entire Chip Kelly fiasco happened and since then, it seems as if he has been a little more "hands on"....but can you really blame him?  The last year of Chip Kelly's tenure here was likely "rock bottom" for everyone involved so I'm guessing Lurie wasn't going to let anything like that happen again....so we get what we have now.

Unfortunately, "Recency-Bias" makes a lot of fans assume that all of a sudden, Lurie is a "bad owner".   The reality is, he's been a very good owner but certain situations over the past 5-7 years have changed the way he runs the team. 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Which QB has the better long term NFL future?  It ain’t Hurts 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That website is so ridiculous. Anything is an A or A+. It's probably what Howies uses to prep for the draft and why he thinks he's good at it.

It's that way until after the combine and then it's quite a bit harder to get an a or a+ . This is the time of the year for guys like me to feel better about myself.

PFF is also trash

 

Round 1 Pick 8 (CAR): DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 5: Najee Harris, RB, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7 (CAR): Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State (A)
Round 3 Pick 6: Trey Hill, C/OG, Georgia (A)
Round 5 Pick 6: Ambry Thomas, CB, Michigan (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: James Wiggins, FS/SS, Cincinnati (A+)
Round 6 Pick 5: Ben Petrula, OT, Boston College (A+)
Round 6 Pick 35 (COMP): Thomas Booker, DE/OLB, Stanford (A+)
Round 6 Pick 39 (COMP): Aubrey Solomon, DT, Tennessee (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Jaelan Phillips, DE/OLB, Miami (A+)

 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

What if Lincoln Riley comes in, takes the job under these conditions. 

Wentz is traded for whatever

Hurts is traded for whatever

They take Trey Lance at 6 and he shouts from the rooftop that 2021 is a rebuilding year.  

Don't know anything about Lance since I don't watch college ball

If the new HC doesn't want to try to fix Wentz and doesn't think Hurts is the answer then you need to let him find his guy

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

PFF is also trash

Of those two QBs, I actually like Trask more 

47 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The NBA is a joke. 

Besides players sitting out for "rest" (screw the fans, right?), caring more about social activism than their own jobs, and star players like Harden and Irving being legit psychopaths, the actual product on the floor sucks.

Its bad basketball played by a bunch of coddled self-identified "victims" followed by lecturing and whining

They need to fold the league and start over.  Nuke it from space

It’s ridiculous. I still consider them some of the most talented athletes out there, but the Irving story is a joke how he’s just allowed to go AWOL during the season because he doesn’t want to be there. I don’t know how you don’t dock his salary or fine him for that stuff. A lot of those guys are so soft. 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie's "bad drafting" comes down to two picks, Sidney Jones in the 2nd rd (an injury gamble) and JJAW at #57.

Jefferson v Reagor seemed to have come down to an organizational consensus that Jefferson was more polished and NFL ready, but on a team with Ertz, Reagor provided the deep threat they sorely lacked (and fans have ****ed about every season except when DeSean was healthy). JJAW was a bad mistake, but not due to Metcalf, whom most of the league passed on in the 2nd rd due to injury concerns. Let's face it, Jefferson in Philly is a 700-800 yard WR last season (once he had a couple good games, here comes the safety over the top with no other threat).

Practically every "good" drafting team has whiffed on a few 2nd and 3rd rd picks the last 5 years.

The rest of his drafts the last five years were fine, I mean people whine about Hollins at #118, who is still in the league due to his ST skills? Barnett may not be all pro, but he's been a solid starter at DE. Dillard is just bad luck, Sanders is fine, and so on. Mailata has all pro talent.

The bigger problem was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th given up to get Wentz, the 2018 3rd for Darby, 2019 3rd for Tate, 2020 3rd and 5th for Slay. That's a lot of draft capital.

No SB without Wentz and Darby, so who cares!  Slay was a mistake in retrospect, but if Dillard and Brooks are healthy and we make the playoffs, not so much.

Slay has trade value if we want to recoup those picks and totally write off the 2021 season.

 

 

I hope Howie is paying you for your hard work.

As to your main point:

4-11-1 says otherwise.

The lack of pro-bowlers says otherwise.

The lack of young talent says otherwise.

Continued, desperate reliance on stop-gap FAs says otherwise

 

Just now, schuy7 said:

 

See I think this might be a great shout. The only issue then is who do we bring in as OC? Because we won't be getting another OC from another team.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Hyperbole much? Let's look at AFC teams that won 10+ games, 2016-2019 drafts

Pro bowl bolded. Strike through are non-starter in the top 100 picks.

Tennesse is the best drafting team.

Buffalo:  2016:  Lawson DE #19, Ragland LB #41, Washington DT #80, 2017: White CB #27, Jones WR #37, Dawkins G #63, Milano LB #163; 2018: Allen QB #7, Edmunds LB #16, Phillips DT #96, Teller G #166; 2019: Oliver DT #9, Ford T #38, Singletary RB #74, Knox TE #96

Miami:  2016:  Tunsil T #13, Howard CB #38, Drake RB #73; 2017: Harris LB #22, McMillan LB #54; Tankersley CB #97, Godchaux DT #157; 2018: Fitzpatrick S #11, Gesicki TE #41, Baker LB #73; 2019: Wilkins DT #13, Dieter G #78, Van Ginkel LB #151

Tennessee:  2016:  Conklin T #8, Dodd DE #33, Johnson NT #43, Henry RB #45, Byard S #64; 2017: Davis WR #5, Jackson CB #18, Taylor WR #72, Smith TE #100, Brown LB #155; 2018: Evans LB #22, Landry LB #43; 2019: Simmons DT #19, Brown WR #51, Davis OG #82.

Indianapolis:  2016: Kelly C #18, Green S #57, Clark T #82, Haeg T #155, Blythe C #248; 2017:  Hooker S #15, Wilson CB #46, Basham #80 DE, Mack RB #143, Walker LB #161; 2018: Nelson G 46, Leonard LB #36, Smith G #37, Turay LB #56, Lewis DE #64, Hines RB #104; 2019: Rock Ya-Sin CB #34, Banogu LB #49, Campbell WR #59, Okereke LB #88

Pittsburgh:  2016: Burns CB #25, Davis S #58, Hargrave DT #89; 2017: Watt OLB #30, Smith-Schuster WR #62, Sutton CB #94; Connor RB #105; 2018: Edmunds S #28, Washington WR #60, Rudolph QB #76, Okorafor T #92; 2019: Bush LB #10, Johnson WR #66, Layne CB #83, Snell RB #122

Cleveland:  2016:  Coleman WR #15, Ogbah DE #32, Nassib DE #65, Coleman T #76, Kessler QB #93, Schobert LB #99; 2017: Garrett DE #1, Peppers S #25, Njoke TE #29, Kizer QB #52, Ogunjobi DT #65; 2018: Mayfield QB #1, Ward CB #4, Corbett G #33, Chubb RB #35, Thomas DE #67; 2019: Williams CB #46, Takitaki LB #80; Wilson LB #177 (only one of 17 post 100 picks in four years to start for the Browns).

Baltimore:  2016:  Stanley DT #6, Correa DE #42, Kaufusi DT #70; Lewis T #130, Judon DE #146; 2017: Humphrey CB #16, Bowser LB #47, Wormley DT #74, Williams LB #78, Clark S #186; 2018: Hurst TE #25, Jackson QB #32, Brown T #83, Andrews TE #86, Young LB #122; Bozeman G #215; 2019: Brown WR #25, Ferguson DE #85

Kansas City:  2016:  Jones DT #37, Russell CB #74, Hill WR #165; 2017: Mahomes QB #10, Kpassagon DE #55, Hunt RB #86; 2018: Speaks DE #46, Nnadi DT #75; 2019: Hardman WR #56, Thornhill S #63, Saunders DT #84

So, in summary: 

Buffalo - 3 Pro Bowlers
Miami - 3 Pro Bowlers
Tennessee - 4 Pro Bowlers
Indianapolis - 3 Pro Bowlers
Pittsburgh - 1 Pro Bowler
Cleveland - 2 Pro Bowlers
Baltimore - 3 Pro Bowlers (you didn't include Jackson, who was a Pro Bowler, All-Pro and league MVP last year)
KC - 4 Pro Bowlers (you didn't include Hunt, who was a Pro Bowler his rookie year.)

 

I am not going to fact check all of these, but those are pretty 2 glaring oversights... now let's look at the Eagles...

1 Pro Bowler... and he's a guy that they might be shipping off this offseason because they broke him.  Hard to make a Pro Bowl as a QB when your WR corps is bottom 3 of the entire NFL.  Having a Pro Bowl QB usually coincides nicely with having a Pro Bowl WR... shame that this team can't find a WR in the draft even when one falls into their laps.

 

Yeah, that says disaster to me.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See I think this might be a great shout. The only issue then is who do we bring in as OC? Because we won't be getting another OC from another team.

He plans to bring Lafleur with him.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See I think this might be a great shout. The only issue then is who do we bring in as OC? Because we won't be getting another OC from another team.

Mike Lafleur of the 49ers is reportedly the guy he'd bring in. We had interest in him as OC last year.

I wonder how much interest we have in Saleh to lure him out of the second interview with the Jets. Steam was picking up there for him to be their new head coach...