3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Beginning to think Lurie molested Howie when he was an unpaid intern and if he's ever fired Howie talks.  I kid but geez this article pretty much says Howie will never be fired

Lurie watched Howie clean up the mess that was AR's dream team, and then clean up the mess that Chip left behind and produce a SB winner.

Why wouldn't he trust Howie to clean up this mess? They knew the "win now" strategy would eventually crash and burn.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Lurie watched Howie clean up the mess that was AR's dream team, and then clean up the mess that Chip left behind and produce a SB winner.

Why wouldn't he trust Howie to clean up this mess? They knew the "win now" strategy would eventually crash and burn.

Howie made this mess and hasn't made one move in the last 3 years that made this team better or puts them in a better position moving forward.  

1 hour ago, Maga301 said:

How is our scouting department not wanting to blow their Fing minds then? They do all the leg work to scout, on the road, countless hours of film watch and prep.......all to have a GM take a player that they think should have been drafted a round or two later. I know scouts probably don't make much so they can't just bark orders but hell if I would be with a team that paid for my insight but never used it. It would be one thing if the FO was proving the scouting department wrong but geeze unless I'm seeing this situation wrong how do the scouts live with this each and every year?

You think Howie ignored his scouts to take Taylor? Why? Whatever LB he takes after #100 is going to be a ST guy as a rookie, so it's not a win now choice. You make "win now" decisions in the first and second rounds, once you get past pick 100, it's all about potential, since few of these players get significant PT as rookies.

More likely, Eagle scouts rated him higher than other teams with regard to long-term potential, because you take Taylor for the player he'll be in year 3, same as Sweat at #130, who they knew would take two years to bulk up and get past his knee injury.

With Stoutland gone, just clean house with the coaching staff. Yes, including Duce. Start anew.

The only person I thought was a must keep on the staff BLAH 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Howie made this mess and hasn't made one move in the last 3 years that made this team better or puts them in a better position moving forward.  

Why would he? They were in win now mode.

And this last draft was about putting them in better position (as was drafting Mailata and Sweat, both long-term projects), Watkins and Hightower were depth picks with upside, as were Taylor and Bradley, Prince was a gamble he could bounce back from his injury. The only guys with short-term value (potential 2020 backups) were Wallace and Driscoll.

When he drafted Dillard, it was understood the kid needed a year in the weight room, he was drafted to replace Peters, not play as a rookie.

All GMs try to balance the present and future, when the window is closing, you make the present a higher priority, when rebuilding, you make the future the higher priority.

12 hours ago, austinfan said:

Why do people think Lawrence is a franchise QB, if he comes up short in the college playoffs, what happens in the NFL when he'll fact talent mismatches week after week?

Athleticism and strong arm, well, no one I've seen matches Michael Vick.

So he wins a national championship as a true freshman while dissecting a top defense, then loses in the national championship and playoffs to the #1 offense in the history of college football at the time, then their D gives up 6 TD passes to Fields, and that's your version of coming up short?  I'm glad I don't work for you.  

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Its not really rocket science picking for the Eagles at 6. At that point you know it will be either of the WRs(Smith/Chase) or CB Surtain. Nothing else would make sense that will be available at 6 unless something crazy happens and Sewell slips which I dont see any chance of happening. The only situation that will break the certainty of one of them players being an Eagle will be if the FO move back. 

One of the other pff guys had us taking Trey Lance at 6 

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Why would he? They were in win now mode.

And this last draft was about putting them in better position (as was drafting Mailata and Sweat, both long-term projects), Watkins and Hightower were depth picks with upside, as were Taylor and Bradley, Prince was a gamble he could bounce back from his injury. The only guys with short-term value (potential 2020 backups) were Wallace and Driscoll.

When he drafted Dillard, it was understood the kid needed a year in the weight room, he was drafted to replace Peters, not play as a rookie.

All GMs try to balance the present and future, when the window is closing, you make the present a higher priority, when rebuilding, you make the future the higher priority.

OK, let's take your train of thought...what moves that he made actually helped them win now?  None.  Howie has been trash.

Sure let's give him credit for a 7th round pick that was a total gamble and the coach we are losing is one of the main reasons he's turning into a good player.  Sweat was a good pick.

There's also a difference between a player with upside (Bradley and we can argue how much upside) and a total project (Taylor, having to learn how to play linebacker).  You just swung and missed on Sidney Jones in the 2nd.  You totally bombed JJAW in the 2nd.  Your previous LB project, Nate Gerry, was the worst LB in the NFL so you go ahead and use a 3rd round pick....yes a 3rd round pick no matter where it was, on a guy who has to learn how to play linebacker...but he's fast! 

Howie has been terrible and I don't understand how you can keep defending his moves. 

4 minutes ago, hputenis said:

So he wins a national championship as a true freshman while dissecting a top defense, then loses in the national championship and playoffs to the #1 offense in the history of college football at the time, then their D gives up 6 TD passes to Fields, and that's your version of coming up short?  I'm glad I don't work for you.  

I didn't see anything special from Lawrence, by now he should be a polished QB.

Jones was far more polished, better accuracy and anticipation - if only he was more athletic and had a stronger arm.

I discount arm and athleticism since watching the Eagles shut down Vick in the playoffs - and Vick was faster and had a stronger arm than any of these kids. Good NFL DCs figure out how to keep these kids in the pocket with a mush rush and spies - only the ones that can pick apart a defense from the pocket will have long-term NFL success.

So it's Alabama or us.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You think Howie ignored his scouts to take Taylor? Why? Whatever LB he takes after #100 is going to be a ST guy as a rookie, so it's not a win now choice. You make "win now" decisions in the first and second rounds, once you get past pick 100, it's all about potential, since few of these players get significant PT as rookies.

More likely, Eagle scouts rated him higher than other teams with regard to long-term potential, because you take Taylor for the player he'll be in year 3, same as Sweat at #130, who they knew would take two years to bulk up and get past his knee injury.

I wasn't just referring to Taylor and a LB when we picked at 103. I'm talking about scouts telling the FO and GM that there may be a better player available at that pick than just a guy who has "potential". It may not happen often but there are still players drafted in rounds 3-4 that start for their teams, at some point in the season. Whether it be C, G OT, WR, Safety or DT. 

After the draft Taylor was thought to go in rounds 5-7 and we drafted him at 103. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

hopefully Stout just wants a raise and contract exrension

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Lurie watched Howie clean up the mess that was AR's dream team, and then clean up the mess that Chip left behind and produce a SB winner.

Why wouldn't he trust Howie to clean up this mess? They knew the "win now" strategy would eventually crash and burn.

I think the not trusting may come from the reality that Howie had a big role in the lack of success and crash this season.  Now it may be that Howie is simply an enabler/buffer for Lurie to make decisions.  That is not what the team needs at this point. 

7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

With Stoutland gone, just clean house with the coaching staff. Yes, including Duce. Start anew.

I really think that will depend on who comes in as the head coach.  I don't think there's anyone I would want to keep besides Stoutland.  I wouldn't mind if Duce stayed because he has a good relationship with the players.  If Stoutland had groomed a replacement, I think that person could be given a shot.  

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

hopefully Stout just wants a raise and contract exrension

I hope that's the case. 

 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

What's sad is I would take the Cowboys top 4 WR over any of ours right now. 

I agree with you, and I can't remember who their 4th receiver is at the moment. 

Kelce as next oline coach?

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I agree with you, and I can't remember who their 4th receiver is at the moment. 

Alshon Jeffrey

The crash this year was the expected outcome of a 'win now' strategy, while injuries probably turned an 8-8 season and a playoff berth into a 4-11-1 season, the rebuild would have started in 2021 in any case. Which is why the way things turned out neither surprised or upset me, it was just a matter of when. If Howie could have a replay, I'm sure he'd have started rebuilding this season, but it's easy to fool yourself into thinking there's one more season left in a team (and hard to tell your veterans you've written off the season).

Once you commit to rebuilding, decision making becomes much easier, you draft for potential and sign UDFAs and SFAs to fill out the roster with young players, and one year cheap veteran patches to field a quasi-competitive team (b/c a really bad team is not a good environment for player development). And it's easier to both deal and restructure veterans b/c most will want to go elsewhere than play on a losing team for two years.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

CRAAAAAAAAAP!

BOB is a free agent.  Stoutland isn’t. Spaghetti on the wall because Pederson was fired.  If Feldman did his homework, he would realize that Stout is under contract to the Eagles and was already a holdover from the last HC firing.  Doesn’t mean if Stout wants to leave and the new HC says he has another candidate, that Lurie doesn’t do him right.  Right now, as far as I can tell, the only Eagle FA coaches are Schwartz, Marty and Scangarello.  

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

I like Kelle Moore, But It was his 1st year with the Cowboys, so it was a few games till teams got some tape on his offense. Hard to quantify. 

3rd year. 

5 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

Kelce as next oline coach?

Actually, I thought that the one reason Kelce would return is as a player/coach if he wanted to get into coaching.

Roy Istvan was the assistant OL coach, replacing Chung. Doubt he has any shot at the job, the new HC will bring in his own OL coach.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whose getting carried away? That’s my point. They need to start being successful fast otherwise players will tune out that high school coach BS

Joe Judge for trying to claim any kind of successful season.

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

BOB is a free agent.  Stoutland isn’t. Spaghetti on the wall because Pederson was fired.  If Feldman did his homework, he would realize that Stout is under contract to the Eagles and was already a holdover from the last HC firing.  Doesn’t mean if Stout wants to leave and the new HC says he has another candidate, that Lurie doesn’t do him right.  Right now, as far as I can tell, the only Eagle FA coaches are Schwartz, Marty and Scangarello.  

3rd year. 

Lurie won't hold Stoutland to his contract if he really wants to "retire" to Alabama (he's 59 in February).

But Stoutland may also just want a landing spot if he doesn't mesh with the new HC.

I doubt money matters at all, Lurie has no problem paying assistant coaches top dollar.

43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Lurie watched Howie clean up the mess that was AR's dream team, and then clean up the mess that Chip left behind and produce a SB winner.

Why wouldn't he trust Howie to clean up this mess? They knew the "win now" strategy would eventually crash and burn.

This applies to FA acquisition. It does not excuse the years of poor drafting.