3 hours ago, aptosbird said:

yup...AR and his infamous binder...some guy who has been a sponge and has had access to an array of knowledge and resources quietly crafting a vision and a plan just waiting for a chance to show someone. I would be talking to as many as possible....

Funny but true unrelated anecdote about AR and his binder:

Right after they hired Reid and the story broke about how prepared he was, I had put in for a promotion with the Company I was at. I was told I would have 2 different interviews with 2 Different VP's. Before the first interview I had heard about the Reid binder and his preparedness/detail story. I spent a full weekend putting my notes together in a binder on job requirements, processes, my vision, P&L etc. 

I was one of 7 internal candidates, (the least tenured), and several well qualified, experienced outside candidates.  I was 15 minutes into the first interview, when the VP looked at me and said, I dont need to see anything more, lets go talk with the Other VP right now. I was given the job on the spot, and they weren't even done interviewing, they still went through the motions of doing all the interviews after telling me I was getting the job, I had to keep it under my hat so to speak.

100% true story.  I worked for that company until 2016, working my way up the corporate ladder so to speak, even after they were bought out in 2008. 

I probably wouldn't have gotten that first opportunity if it were not for AR and his binder. LOL

 

 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That could mean almost anything! lol 

That's par the course for the medical updates with Doug. "Gonna miss some time. Knee, week to week."

 

I'm not going to miss that, even though it might not change. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe so. I think the idea is absurd that Doug saw how good he was with Reich, a strong OC, and decided he didn’t want that anymore. 

 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Ego can make people do things that aren't in their best interests.  

It has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with trust.  Doug trusted Reich, I don't think there is any doubt about that.  They were friends from a long time ago... they had a history together.  So, when they had a disagreement, Doug could trust that Reich was seeing something that he might not have been.  Doug trusted Groh, which is why he wanted him back.  For good, or for bad, there was trust.    Groh was in no way as good as Reich as an OC, but he was trusted.   Then Doug was forced to bring in a whole bunch of new faces, some of them (apparently) who were turds (Scangerallo  sp?), and it just didn't mesh.   And when Doug said he wanted to go with trusted people again as his assistants, Lurie balked.   

 

This isn't about play calling, strong OC, or any of the like, this is about trust.   Doug had trust in his original set of coaches... they worked well together.  Doug did NOT trust this offensive staff, and it just spiraled out of control.  

6 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Why? What has Duce done since being a RB coach? Has his rotations of RBs been so vital to the Eagles offense? Just because the players like him doesn’t mean anything they were Gaga for Doug at one point too and hat didn’t end well. 

You didn’t get my point slappy. This team is in cap hell and his little talent 25 or under. It doesn’t matter who’s coach, they’ll probably suck. That’s why just give it to Duce. F it. 

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I think he and again it’s just my opinion that Doug wanted out. Howie is a veteran of war after his disputes with Andy Reid and who was drafting players then Out dueling Chip in a battle to the death and Doug decided to bow out gracefully. 

I 100 percent agree with that. My theory has been that solution of coaches he gave was an ultimatum of either take that and let me do what i want or fire me. He knew they’d fired him with that and he was fine with it. I don’t really blame him i think he could get another HC job in a year from now where he can pick his own staff. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But if you gave me the choice... I'd roll with Hurts and start a true rebuild. If Hurts isn't the answer (and I don't think he is) then at least he's cheap. I don't think Wentz is the answer either and he's certainly not cheap. 

And FWIW I think Wentz absolutely is more likely to play at a decent level. But that contract is just a no no. 

No it really isn't a no-no. If he regains his previous form (which I believe he will) It will be fairly cheap in comparison to others in the league and what the new QB contracts look like. . 

And no Hurts isn't the answer long term. I think he would be a great back up QB, as running qb's can come off the bench and make some plays for a brief time before the defenses adjust.

 

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be fair, Peters outplayed Mailata for two games before he hurt his toe.

Fulgham was fading before he was benched for Jeffrey, the league got film on him and took away the wide open looks, and he lost focus and started dropping balls. There's a reason he was available on waivers, supposedly bad practice habits, struggles with press coverage and not a consistent route runner.

On the other hand, his handling of Wentz was horrendous and his play calling left a lot to be desired.

Peters wasn’t outplaying anyone this year  

 

We agree on Fulgham. More like Fulsgold. 

 

Wentz deserved to be benched this season. He was 31st in QBR and would have been 32nd if Darnold wasnt Darnold in week 17

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You didn’t get my point slappy. This team is in cap hell and his little talent 25 or under. It doesn’t matter who’s coach, they’ll probably suck. That’s why just give it to Duce. F it. 

They are in a rebuild. They’ll have more young talent infused from this draft and last draft. i would rather have a coach that builds up the roster and has them ascending going forward. If Duce can do that I’m all for it. I’m not just hiring a lame duck coach for two years in Duce if it’s just well we suck so might as well give it to Duce. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He couldn’t even hire his own coaching staff without micromanagement. He announced guys were coming back and the next day they were fired, making Doug look like a damn fool. 

Yup.   And I think that left a REALLY bad taste in his mouth.   And Doug ate it.   He didn't balk, he played the good soldier.  But, I'm sure he was seething about it.  Frankly, I'd have likely walked then and there myself.

 

I think Doug lost what worked so well for him in 2017, which was a collaborative process where good ideas were passed to him as the HC and he could make the right play call, at the right time, in the right situations - that was 2017.  After Reich and DeFilippo (the ones responsible for 3rd downs and red zones, iirc) left, they lost that mojo and the fill-ins didn't get it right, the injuries piled up and it fell apart.  But, some others still were ok here with Doug in more of a "CEO" type HC.   Frankly, that's what he was in 2017, but with play calling.  He didn't put the gameplan together.  He was part of the process, with final say on play calls.  In 2018 through the past season, it fell more and more on Doug.  He needed better people around him, and people that he could delegate things to and trust that they'd get the job done.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's par the course for the medical updates with Doug. "Gonna miss some time. Knee, week to week."

 

I'm not going to miss that, even though it might not change. 

I’d bet you get that anyway. I feel a lot of the league has moved to that way of talking about it. At least it’s not hockey. Upper body injury. Nothing else 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You didn’t get my point slappy. This team is in cap hell and his little talent 25 or under. It doesn’t matter who’s coach, they’ll probably suck. That’s why just give it to Duce. F it. 

So just give the coaching job to Duce because screw it they probably suck? I hope you never ran any type of business....

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are in a rebuild. They’ll have more young talent infused from this draft and last draft. i would rather have a coach that builds up the roster and has them ascending going forward. If Duce can do that I’m all for it. I’m not just hiring a lane duck coach for two years in Duce if it’s just well we suck sommight as well give it to Duce. 

His take just doesn’t make sense. 

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

So just give the coaching job to Duce because screw it they probably suck? I hope you never ran any type of business....

Dolphins were in a complete tank and rebuild. They hired Flores cause they thought then and going forward he could be the guy to develop the young players and take them far going forward. Never hire a guy because why not we are gonna suck anyway. Even if we suck you can take positives if you f guys develop and are on the right track. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d bet you get that anyway. I feel a lot of the league has moved to that way of talking about it. At least it’s not hockey. Upper body injury. Nothing else 

Maybe, but I feel like Doug was especially bad with it. There's other coaches like McVay who came out today and said Wolford is out. I feel like Doug never ruled out anyone specifically before the final injury report, unless it was a major injury.

As far as trading for Tate and Avery:

Tate came in when they had Jeffrey, Agholor and Matthews. They basically had given up on Matthews by then. I think it was a Pederson player b/c Agholor wasn't good at WR screens and Jeffrey was better as a blocker than runner on those plays - and Tate had a reputation as a YAC guy. Problem is that it would have worked if Pederson started using Agholor on deep routes, but he never did.

Avery is the speedball that Schwartz has always craved at DE on passing downs, look at Sweat.

 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

With Coaching staff, he agreed with that when he was hired, Example, We carried Stoutland and Duce over into his staff.  If he didn't like that, he should not have accepted the job on those terms.

Secondly knowing he did not have that control, why would he be stupid enough to announce that? If it wasn't in his power, you dont make that claim. 

 

Whoa... easy there.   A lot of coaches carry over coaches from one regime to another.   Ted Williams was a long time coach with the Eagles (1995 - 2014).  He moved from staff to staff - started with Rhodes, went out with Chip.   John Harbaugh was on the staff before Reid (came in 1998 under Rhodes) - Juan Castillo came in 1995 with Rhodes, stayed through the disastrous DC decision with Reid.   Teams don't just completely turn over ALL position coaches every time a new HC comes in.  If a team really likes an assistant, and he's already under contract, he can be retained if the incoming HC doesn't see a need to make a change.  Continuity with a position coach can be a good thing during a transition, if ALL PARTIES are interested in that.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe, but I feel like Doug was especially bad with it. There's other coaches like McVay who came out today and said Wolford is out. I feel like Doug never ruled out anyone specifically before the final injury report, unless it was a major injury.

I feel doug in general with pressers was bad. He at times looked foolish and dumb. I think some of that is he was just not good speaking in public. Some people are charismatic and natural. He was not and it made him look worse. I think the injury thing could also be tied to how the eagles wanted him to present it. I wouldn’t be shocked at all of that continues.  

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. It was either he is dumb enough to believe that was a good solution they’d accept or it was calculated. Makes more sense it was calculated as reports have surfaced from early in the season he was ok being fired and then near his firing he was fired of being pushed around 

I would agree in most cases that it was calculated. Doug doesn't strike me at all as the type to be that manipulative / intelligent though.

Just now, T-1000 said:

I would agree in most cases that it was calculated. Doug doesn't strike me at all as the type to be that manipulative / intelligent though.

Idk i think his pressers come off making him look like an idiot. But i don’t think he’s as dumb as he comes off. I don’t think he’s a genius either.

Also his agent could have been the one who formulated the idea knowing he was unhappy before the season hence the leak he didn’t care if he got fired at that time. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Whoa... easy there.   A lot of coaches carry over coaches from one regime to another.   Ted Williams was a long time coach with the Eagles (1995 - 2014).  He moved from staff to staff - started with Rhodes, went out with Chip.   John Harbaugh was on the staff before Reid (came in 1998 under Rhodes) - Juan Castillo came in 1995 with Rhodes, stayed through the disastrous DC decision with Reid.   Teams don't just completely turn over ALL position coaches every time a new HC comes in.  If a team really likes an assistant, and he's already under contract, he can be retained if the incoming HC doesn't see a need to make a change.  Continuity with a position coach can be a good thing during a transition, if ALL PARTIES are interested in that.

we are agreeing, what I was saying was, he agreed he didn't have total control over his coaching staff WHEN he was hired. SO if he was upset about that, he shoudl not have agreed to that. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Does working the Fry station count?

Sure, as along as we can say F it heat the oil to 500 degrees 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

we are agreeing, what I was saying was, he agreed he didn't have total control over his coaching staff WHEN he was hired. SO if he was upset about that, he shoudl not have agreed to that. 

I think doug might have been Ok with it when he started as he was only a coach for a couple years and didn’t have great connections. I think after he won a super bowl he likely thought he’d get more power to do that and more trust from lurie and howie. 

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I would agree in most cases that it was calculated. Doug doesn't strike me at all as the type to be that manipulative / intelligent though.

True but in this case it doesn’t take much intelligence or ability to manipulate anyone. No one is listening to you and you are the blame. Time to go. It’s simple enough...Even for Doug. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think doug might have been Ok with it when he started as he was only a coach for a couple years and didn’t have great connections. I think after he won a super bowl he likely thought he’d get more power to do that and more trust from lurie and howie. 

Yeah and as I stated somewhere above, if he wanted to negotiate for more power and lost that negotiation, I have to side with Jeff here. Dug's decisions or thoughts on changes to his staff, did not warrant giving him more power. 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

True but in this case it doesn’t take much intelligence or ability to manipulate anyone. No one is listening to you and you are the blame. Time to go. It’s simple enough...Even for Doug. 

Also his agent could’ve given him the idea. It doesn’t have to start from doug just someone give him the idea and he carries it out.