Going with Hurts is a "win now," RPO or bust move.

Going with Wentz is don't give up on a potential franchise QB while you rebuild, at worst you can dump him in two years with a much smaller cap hit.

Meanwhile, anyone who watched Hurts knows he can only win by running, which is not a long-term strategy, if you want him as a starting QB you need to spend a year on his mechanics and reading defenses, not pulling the ball and taking off ten times a game.

If Pederson said he wanted to go with Hurts, he was saying winning now is more important to his career, and screw rebuilding even if it means a better team down the road.

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be fair, Peters outplayed Mailata for two games before he hurt his toe.

Fulgham was fading before he was benched for Jeffrey, the league got film on him and took away the wide open looks, and he lost focus and started dropping balls. There's a reason he was available on waivers, supposedly bad practice habits, struggles with press coverage and not a consistent route runner.

On the other hand, his handling of Wentz was horrendous and his play calling left a lot to be desired.

To be fair, Peters was FRIED before they resigned him to play OG, and wasn't going to be able to be counted on for a full season at either OG or OT.  So, once Mailata came in and proved that he wasn't a complete train wreck (immediately light years ahead of what we saw from Jamon Brown or Matt Pryor this season), he should have been given the ability to work through his struggles (which, frankly, weren't that great.)   If he'd have been a first round pick, he'd have been allowed to stay in the game, in fact the GM likely would have pushed for that.  Instead, he's a 7th round pick, and the GM pushed for the guy he paid extra to play LT to be on the field at LT.  The entire continuity of the OL could have been preserved and there would have been fewer combinations, had Mailata been allowed to remain in the lineup and work through it.  Put Peters back at RG, where he was signed to play in the first place, and let the left side of the OL get used to working together again as Seumalo came back.  

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Yeah and as I stated somewhere above, if he wanted to negotiate for more power and lost that negotiation, I have to side with Jeff here. Dug's decisions or thoughts on changes to his staff, did not warrant giving him more power. 

I don’t disagree with you. The offense has regressed each year. He had 1 year of total offense and ppg in the top 10. However doug would disagree with both of us. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Going with Hurts is a "win now," RPO or bust move.

Going with Wentz is don't give up on a potential franchise QB while you rebuild, at worst you can dump him in two years with a much smaller cap hit.

Meanwhile, anyone who watched Hurts knows he can only win by running, which is not a long-term strategy, if you want him as a starting QB you need to spend a year on his mechanics and reading defenses, not pulling the ball and taking off ten times a game.

If Pederson said he wanted to go with Hurts, he was saying winning now is more important to his career, and screw rebuilding even if it means a better team down the road.

He also was saying WIN NOW by wanted to keep Alshon, Djax and JP  from what was being reported. Thats a NO GO for me. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think doug might have been Ok with it when he started as he was only a coach for a couple years and didn’t have great connections. I think after he won a super bowl he likely thought he’d get more power to do that and more trust from lurie and howie. 

And in that case it would be Doug’s biggest mistake. We as fans know the power Howie has over Lurie. He should have known it as well. It’s never been done in any sport. No GM has over seen 3 coaching changes. NEVER.... It’s time for Howie to release whatever photos he has of Lurie cause this is getting ridiculous. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To be fair, Peters was FRIED before they resigned him to play OG, and wasn't going to be able to be counted on for a full season at either OG or OT.  So, once Mailata came in and proved that he wasn't a complete train wreck (immediately light years ahead of what we saw from Jamon Brown or Matt Pryor this season), he should have been given the ability to work through his struggles (which, frankly, weren't that great.)   If he'd have been a first round pick, he'd have been allowed to stay in the game, in fact the GM likely would have pushed for that.  Instead, he's a 7th round pick, and the GM pushed for the guy he paid extra to play LT to be on the field at LT.  The entire continuity of the OL could have been preserved and there would have been fewer combinations, had Mailata been allowed to remain in the lineup and work through it.  Put Peters back at RG, where he was signed to play in the first place, and let the left side of the OL get used to working together again as Seumalo came back.  

Honestly with the money they paid peters in the end they’d have been far better off just convincing warford to play this season and overpaying him.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well the rest of the meal is going to suck anyway.  So no use trying to improve it.......cool....F it.  

You get it! You my friend are going straight to the top! That’s the stuff CEOs are made of

Just now, jwill2420 said:

And in that case it would be Doug’s biggest mistake. We as fans know the power Howie has over Lurie. He should have known it as well. It’s never been done in any sport. No GM has over seen 3 coaching changes. NEVER.... It’s time for Howie to release whatever photos he has of Lurie cause this is getting ridiculous. 

I think it’s two fold. Howie does havw some type of strangle hold on lurie. However i think lurie is a huge problem cause i think howie does some of the things lurie asks of him to do like drafting JJAW which probably makes howie in on lurie’s good graces even with his failures. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

That Jacksonville welcome mat!!

They forgot to list Sidney Jones. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe, but I feel like Doug was especially bad with it. There's other coaches like McVay who came out today and said Wolford is out. I feel like Doug never ruled out anyone specifically before the final injury report, unless it was a major injury.

I don’t ever want to hear again on Thursday that people are "coming along extremely well”, then not even dressing for the game.  All that did was convey that Doug had no idea what the hell was going on in the building.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Going with Hurts is a "win now," RPO or bust move.

Going with Wentz is don't give up on a potential franchise QB while you rebuild, at worst you can dump him in two years with a much smaller cap hit.

Meanwhile, anyone who watched Hurts knows he can only win by running, which is not a long-term strategy, if you want him as a starting QB you need to spend a year on his mechanics and reading defenses, not pulling the ball and taking off ten times a game.

If Pederson said he wanted to go with Hurts, he was saying winning now is more important to his career, and screw rebuilding even if it means a better team down the road.

He would know that was impossible with the cap situation. He would have too. There is no way he could say screw rebuilding cause the Eagles can’t just get guys and win now. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dolphins were in a complete tank and rebuild. They hired Flores cause they thought then and going forward he could be the guy to develop the young players and take them far going forward. Never hire a guy because why not we are gonna suck anyway. Even if we suck you can take positives if you f guys develop and are on the right track. 

Not necessarily.  If you know the team will suck for 2 years in a "Trust the Process" style rebuild, the best coach for that could be very different from the coach that is going to help you win once the rebuilding is completed.

It's like a turnaround specialist CEO coming into a bankrupt company to fix things, then stepping aside for a long-term CEO once the company is back on sure footing.

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As far as trading for Tate and Avery:

Tate came in when they had Jeffrey, Agholor and Matthews. They basically had given up on Matthews by then. I think it was a Pederson player b/c Agholor wasn't good at WR screens and Jeffrey was better as a blocker than runner on those plays - and Tate had a reputation as a YAC guy. Problem is that it would have worked if Pederson started using Agholor on deep routes, but he never did.

Avery is the speedball that Schwartz has always craved at DE on passing downs, look at Sweat.

 

He craved him so much that he never used him.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

They forgot to list Sidney Jones. 

 Is that it’s urban Meyer wonder how interested he would be In Justin Fields at 1 overall. You know from the OSU connection. 

12 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

we are agreeing, what I was saying was, he agreed he didn't have total control over his coaching staff WHEN he was hired. SO if he was upset about that, he shoudl not have agreed to that. 

We are not agreeing.  We don't know the full extent of what they talked about or what they didn't.  We do know that Doug chose his first OC.  We can likely surmise that Doug chose his second OC.  So, I think its fair to say that Doug likely assumed that he'd have autonomy on deciding when that OC would be fired, no?   Especially if the report is true that they wanted to can Reich after 2016 and Doug stuck up for him.  (Good thing too, we don't get the Lombardi without Reich.)

We can debate whether or not Doug was in on the decision to bring in Greg Lewis and Groh as the WR coaches.  Lewis and Groh were probably 'management' picks.  Lewis and Doug just missed each other from when Lewis played and when Doug first returned to coach.  And Groh has the Bears connection with Douglas... But I think the OC position is one that Doug felt he had the right to decide on.  And that was unceremoniously ripped away from him with a public embarrassment.   

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Reich had never been a HC, but was a friend of Doug's from when they played together.  Schwartz was the stabilizing, former HC hire.

Reich had done really well as OC for Chargers and many said he was next HC up.

Many we're shocked he didn't stick around to keep the Chargers job that looked like it would happen within 2 years. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To be fair, Peters was FRIED before they resigned him to play OG, and wasn't going to be able to be counted on for a full season at either OG or OT.  So, once Mailata came in and proved that he wasn't a complete train wreck (immediately light years ahead of what we saw from Jamon Brown or Matt Pryor this season), he should have been given the ability to work through his struggles (which, frankly, weren't that great.)   If he'd have been a first round pick, he'd have been allowed to stay in the game, in fact the GM likely would have pushed for that.  Instead, he's a 7th round pick, and the GM pushed for the guy he paid extra to play LT to be on the field at LT.  The entire continuity of the OL could have been preserved and there would have been fewer combinations, had Mailata been allowed to remain in the lineup and work through it.  Put Peters back at RG, where he was signed to play in the first place, and let the left side of the OL get used to working together again as Seumalo came back.  

There is zero evidence for that, and I doubt either that Stoutland would put up with it, or Howie would even consider overriding the opinion of the best OL coach in the NFL.

Peters was brought in as a stop gap after Dillard was injured, probably b/c there weren't many alternatives and he knows the blocking schemes.

He had two solid games before the toe went, while Mailata was struggling, which is not surprising given his inexperience.

Stoutland loves Mailata, I think he just felt the kid could use a few games to watch and understand what was going on. And when Mailata returned, he played at a higher level.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Not necessarily.  If you know the team will suck for 2 years in a "Trust the Process" style rebuild, the best coach for that could be very different from the coach that is going to help you win once the rebuilding is completed.

It's like a turnaround specialist CEO coming into a bankrupt company to fix things, then stepping aside for a long-term CEO once the company is back on sure footing.

I should rephrase i am not saying get a guy that can do both. I’m fine do you want to hire just a guy to be here when you suck that is good at developing young players to get you through the rebuild and on the right track. And when you are ready hire the super bowl caliber type of coach. I think this well we are going to suck so just hire this cause as we will suck anyway is wrong. 

6 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

And in that case it would be Doug’s biggest mistake. We as fans know the power Howie has over Lurie. He should have known it as well. It’s never been done in any sport. No GM has over seen 3 coaching changes. NEVER.... It’s time for Howie to release whatever photos he has of Lurie cause this is getting ridiculous. 

Howie is not a GM.  He's Lurie's Consigliere / Vizier / Hand.  That's why GMs and coaches will come and go, but Howie will be here forever.

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

Reich had done really well as OC for Chargers and many said he was next HC up.

Many we're shocked he didn't stick around to keep the Chargers job that looked like it would happen within 2 years. 

McCoy fired him as OC right after the 2015 season.   Scapegoated.

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

 Is that it’s urban Meyer wonder how interested he would be In Justin Fields at 1 overall. You know from the OSU connection. 

I asked that last night. Are we sure urban Meyer is for Lawrence and not fields? Did he recruit fields? I don’t have the answer to the second question it’s why i asked it last night 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

He craved him so much that he never used him.

Probably because what he thought he wanted in theory, didn't look as good once he got him.

I seriously doubt Howie, who hoards draft picks, used a 4th if Schwartz didn't lobby for Avery.

A little off topic, but is anyone else concerned about the state of sports and where they're going in terms of players getting too much power? I have no problem with high profile players sharing their opinion to coaches and management if they have built up equity in these organizations and are highly respected. But players dictating what coaches teams hire and now what GMs need to be hired? It's bad for the sport.

Organizations have started to cave and it's empowering this insanity. Not sure if the genie is too far out of the bottle to put it back in at this point, but they need to. You can't have players dictating what Fing general manager a team hires, it's absurd. What do they know about any of that and who would be good? Or dictating what coach one hires.

And then it leads to this whoa is me pouting when they don't get their way.

It's my least favorite thing about sports right now. Thankfully you don't really see it in the NHL, MLB as much, but it runs the NBA and is starting to gain foothold in the NFL.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it’s two fold. Howie does havw some type of strangle hold on lurie. However i think lurie is a huge problem cause i think howie does some of the things lurie asks of him to do like drafting JJAW which probably makes howie in on lurie’s good graces even with his failures. 

Nah I’m sticking with Howie has videos of Lurie in a white dress singing happy birthday Mr President! 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

McCoy fired him as OC right after the 2015 season.   Scapegoated.

Ah, that's right. 

Thanks!