1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

A little off topic, but is anyone else concerned about the state of sports and where they're going in terms of players getting too much power? I have no problem with high profile players sharing their opinion to coaches and management if they have built up equity in these organizations and are highly respected. But players dictating what coaches teams hire and now what GMs need to be hired? It's bad for the sport.

Organizations have started to cave and it's empowering this insanity. Not sure if the genie is too far out of the bottle to put it back in at this point, but they need to. You can't have players dictating what Fing general manager a team hires, it's absurd. What do they know about any of that and who would be good? Or dictating what coach ones hires.

And then it leads to this whoa is me pouting when they don't get their way.

It's my least favorite thing about sports right now. Thankfully you don't really see it in the NHL, MLB as much, but it runs the NBA and is starting to gain foothold in the NFL.

It is headed to a collapse.

2 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Reich had done really well as OC for Chargers and many said he was next HC up.

Many we're shocked he didn't stick around to keep the Chargers job that looked like it would happen within 2 years. 

Wrong.  Frank Reich was fired by the Chargers as OC.  He was not highly thought of when we hired him.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2604969-frank-reich-fired-as-chargers-oc-latest-comments-and-reaction

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

A little off topic, but is anyone else concerned about the state of sports and where they're going in terms of players getting too much power? I have no problem with high profile players sharing their opinion to coaches and management if they have built up equity in these organizations and are highly respected. But players dictating what coaches teams hire and now what GMs need to be hired? It's bad for the sport.

Organizations have started to cave and it's empowering this insanity. Not sure if the genie is too far out of the bottle to put it back in at this point, but they need to. You can't have players dictating what Fing general manager a team hires, it's absurd. What do they know about any of that and who would be good? Or dictating what coach one hires.

And then it leads to this whoa is me pouting when they don't get their way.

It's my least favorite thing about sports right now. Thankfully you don't really see it in the NHL, MLB as much, but it runs the NBA and is starting to gain foothold in the NFL.

The nba is by far the worse. They allow the players to basically dictate everything.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Probably because what he thought he wanted in theory, didn't look as good once he got him.

I seriously doubt Howie, who hoards draft picks, used a 4th if Schwartz didn't lobby for Avery.

I don't know about that. We did have the episode with Tate where the coaches admitted that they did not know how to incorporate him into the offense.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I should rephrase i am not saying get a guy that can do both. I’m fine do you want to hire just a guy to be here when you suck that is good at developing young players to get you through the rebuild and on the right track. And when you are ready hire the super bowl caliber type of coach. I think this well we are going to suck so just hire this cause as we will suck anyway is wrong. 

I mean, there are benefits to hiring a bad coach at the start of a rebuild too.  Lose more games = maximize draft equity.  Like when the 49ers had Singletary as their coach and sucked hard every year.  Built up a great talent pool through the draft, then fired Singletary, hired Harbaugh, and started winning big immediately.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

There is zero evidence for that, and I doubt either that Stoutland would put up with it, or Howie would even consider overriding the opinion of the best OL coach in the NFL.

Peters was brought in as a stop gap after Dillard was injured, probably b/c there weren't many alternatives and he knows the blocking schemes.

He had two solid games before the toe went, while Mailata was struggling, which is not surprising given his inexperience.

Stoutland loves Mailata, I think he just felt the kid could use a few games to watch and understand what was going on. And when Mailata returned, he played at a higher level.

Of course.  There's tons of reports about Howie telling Doug which players would be or would not be active on gameday...  Mailata himself was quoted as saying he didn't know where he was playing that week, up to the Friday before the game.

 

Peters is the classic case... as my dad would say, "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once, as I ever was."  Peters was a non-sustainable decision.  He couldn't stay on the field in 2018 or 2019, and needed to come off for plays all the time.  Everyone knew (or should have) that it was a question of WHEN, not IF, Peters would be coming off the field.  So, when you KNOW that you are shuffling around OL like never before, maybe finding a spot with some semblance of stability might be a good thing.

 

And yes, we know that Howie always stays in his corner and never over steps... 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm a big Tennessee Vols fan.  I saw a video last night of Trevor Lawrence at a passing camp when he was just getting ready to enter High School.  He said his dream school to go to for college was........

 

 

Tennessee.......

 

 

 

annnnnnnd.....

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I asked that last night. Are we sure urban Meyer is for Lawrence and not fields? Did he recruit fields? I don’t have the answer to the second question it’s why i asked it last night 

Not sure if he recruited him but his OSU ties run deep so I would not be shocked if he did take Fields  over Lawrence

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I mean, there are benefits to hiring a bad coach at the start of a rebuild too.  Lose more games = maximize draft equity.  Like when the 49ers had Singletary as their coach and sucked hard every year.  Built up a great talent pool through the draft, then fired Singletary, hired Harbaugh, and started winning big immediately.

Yeah there is. but i don’t think they went into it hoping singletary was going to suck as a coach and not develop players when they hired him  

The Jets basically did that this year when they kept Gase. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Probably because what he thought he wanted in theory, didn't look as good once he got him.

I seriously doubt Howie, who hoards draft picks, used a 4th if Schwartz didn't lobby for Avery.

Wow... that is so wrong... let me count the ways!!!

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I have no doubt that he saw the collaborative process with a good OC and wanted to continue that. He’s from the Teid style of promote from within. 

Doug got pushed around his entire tenure here. What makes you think he has some huge ego?

Didn't say huge, but we all have an ego.  To say he was pushed around for 5 years is hyperbole. 

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  Frank Reich was fired by the Chargers as OC.  He was not highly thought of when we hired him.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2604969-frank-reich-fired-as-chargers-oc-latest-comments-and-reaction

I could be wrong without having the numbers In front of me but wasn’t those Chargers Reich led offensives good? 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm a big Tennessee Vols fan.  I saw a video last night of Trevor Lawrence at a passing camp when he was just getting ready to enter High School.  He said his dream school to go to for college was........

 

 

Tennessee.......

 

 

 

annnnnnnd.....

 

 

 

He was born in Tennessee, IIRC. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm a big Tennessee Vols fan.  I saw a video last night of Trevor Lawrence at a passing camp when he was just getting ready to enter High School.  He said his dream school to go to for college was........

 

 

Tennessee.......

 

 

 

annnnnnnd.....

 

 

 

I watched that video as well; his hair was much more presentable 

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

I could be wrong without having the numbers In front of me but wasn’t those Chargers Reich led offensives good? 

Not good enough to keep him from getting fired.

39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Reich had never been a HC, but was a friend of Doug's from when they played together.  Schwartz was the stabilizing, former HC hire.

Yep, for some reason I thought Reich was head coach in SD for a season

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow... that is so wrong... let me count the ways!!!

Yeah what the actual F. When have the eagles hoarded draft picks?  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow... that is so wrong... let me count the ways!!!

That’s some Spadaro type spinning there. I don’t even know how to respond to that 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

You would think he would be aware of the situation I.E. What his responsibilities are, what control and power he has, when he agreed to the job. If he then wished to renegotiate his power after a few years and lost that negotiation, I have to side with Jeff on this one.  

I don’t think it was a negotiation. It was more, we know you’re inexperienced so let’s help you with the staff. I can’t imagine it was expected that Howie and Jeff would continue hiring and firing coaches. They probably didn’t either. Regardless, he was treated like a 17 year old. He was given some freedom, but he wasn’t tested like an adult. 

Just now, Freshmilk said:

Yep, for some reason I thought Reich was head coach in SD for a season

Naw. I do know when he was hired by the eagles schefter went on 975 said he had sources who thought before reich got fired/ his last season with the chargers that he would eventually be a head coach one day. 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Not good enough to keep him from getting fired.

😆 

 

I just remember Gates Rivers and Allen having some really good years around that time. Maybe I’m off...

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

It has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with trust.  Doug trusted Reich, I don't think there is any doubt about that.  They were friends from a long time ago... they had a history together.  So, when they had a disagreement, Doug could trust that Reich was seeing something that he might not have been.  Doug trusted Groh, which is why he wanted him back.  For good, or for bad, there was trust.    Groh was in no way as good as Reich as an OC, but he was trusted.   Then Doug was forced to bring in a whole bunch of new faces, some of them (apparently) who were turds (Scangerallo  sp?), and it just didn't mesh.   And when Doug said he wanted to go with trusted people again as his assistants, Lurie balked.   

 

This isn't about play calling, strong OC, or any of the like, this is about trust.   Doug had trust in his original set of coaches... they worked well together.  Doug did NOT trust this offensive staff, and it just spiraled out of control.  

Its a good argument.

44 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, the Eagles won a Super Bowl while using analytics.  I think it would be safe to say that they did not win the Super Bowl because they used analytics.  They won the Super Bowl because they made plays while using the analytics to decide whether or not to go for it on 4th down here or there. 

Its not about analytics... it's about efficiency.  When the team is efficient and running good plays more than bad plays, going for it on 4th down more often will pay off.   When the team is inefficient and running bad plays more often than good plays, going for it on 4th down more often will hurt the team in the long run.   Simple math.  

The Eagles do not win SB52 without analytics. The organization would tell you that.

It's not an accident that the most aggressive team on 4th down was successful. 

4 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I could be wrong without having the numbers In front of me but wasn’t those Chargers Reich led offensives good? 

 

2014: 18th in yards and 17th in ppg

2015: 9th in yards but 26th in ppg

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Yep, for some reason I thought Reich was head coach in SD for a season

He likely should have been.  That was such a mess out in SD.   Frank was the QB coach in 2013 - Whisenhunt was the OC.  Whisenhunt got the HC job in Tennessee for 2014, and was fired in 2015.  Frank was elevated to OC for 2014/2015... and when they spiraled out of control under Mike McCoy in 2015 with a 4-12 season, he was the guy that McCoy sacrificed to stay as HC.  Whisenhunt was brought back as OC after his failed HC term in Tennessee, getting fired 6 games into 2015.  McCoy, of course, was fired after 2016 and another failed season at 5-11.