1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m fine with biting the bullet, but we have almost no quality young players. And the guy making the picks and a the same guy that left this roster barren with good young players. And just because we play young players doesn’t mean they’ll be worth a darn. 

At least the young players that aren't worth a darn will be cheap, unlike the old players that aren't worth a darn that cost $10+M (Desean and Alshon)...Fortunately, Desean we only pay for 1 more year while he's not here.  We have the pleasure of paying Alshon for 2 more after he's gone.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

At least the young players that aren't worth a darn will be cheap, unlike the old players that aren't worth a darn that cost $10+M (Desean and Alshon)...Fortunately, Desean we only pay for 1 more year while he's not here.  We have the pleasure of paying Alshon for 2 more after he's gone.

Whoever signed those guys to those deals must be pretty bad at his job. 

2 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

So just give the coaching job to Duce because screw it they probably suck? I hope you never ran any type of business....

I currently do run a business that’s growing in a pandemic. 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure would be nice if our scouts were listened to and we had Jefferson and Chinn on the roster. How much better would this job look? Our front office with five future GMs would look smarter, and we’d have two young building blocks, which is one or two more than we have right now. 

Even Aiyuk and Chinn, or Queen and Chinn... Absurdness 

Since the rebuild will take at least two years (and pretty much the same timeline if we has deliberately deep sixed 2020 instead of having it happen to us) those restructured contracts are irrelevant. You don't want to be signing FAs during a rebuild for a couple reasons:

1) you want to acquire comp picks

2) you want to wait until you've rebuilt to start adding FAs, basically even 26-27 year old FA contracts are 3 year deals (if you get year 4 and 5 that's bonus), so you don't want to sign those players the first year of a rebuild, then say goodbye just when you're getting good again (Slay is going to be trade bait).

So you don't actually need that cap room during the rebuild, other than your 1st rd picks, your other draft picks, UDFAs and SFAs will be cheap.

By 2023 Howie will have all the cap room he needs, hopefully he's learned to avoid FAs over 27 except on short-term deals.

39 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Also with minimum veterans this season, Graham, Cox, Slay, Lane and Brooks, and most will be gone the year after.

So most of that team is young and developing, and we'll have three drafts to fill it out.

That's why you bite the bullet, and go young, but you want a core of talent so young players aren't overwhelmed.

It's the difference between playing a veteran over a prospect b/c you want to win now, and playing a veteran over a prospect b/c you don't what to throw the prospect into the deep end.

So you wreck the Salary Cap even more? You don’t actually believe the nonsense you are spewing do you? 

11 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I currently do run a business that’s growing in a pandemic. 

Using the " F it” method? 

We have a lot of young players, just no elite players (yet). We'll see how Dillard, Mailata, Reagor develop the next couple years.

But we should have three top ten picks the next three years, plus high second round picks, plus some volume drafts with comp picks and maybe a trade or two.

So the current roster is merely the starting point of the rebuild, hopefully a lot of these guys will be come solid starters or top reserves to surround the 4 or 5 top players we land in the next three drafts. Bring in a top WR, and Reagor is #2, Fulgham, Watkins and Ward fight it out for slot, bring in a top TE and Goedert is your blocking TE, bring in a solid RG and Herbig is great depth, and so on.

I think some people have the fantasy that perfect drafts and signings could have sustained this team, what it could have done was maybe keep them at 8-8, 9-7 and drafting in the high teens/low twenties, every team whiffs on some top picks and has bad luck with injuries - no GM was going to keep this team at the top. Baltimore's FO couldn't kee them from years of floundering after they won a SB. Better that we do a "Hinkie" than muddle along in mediocrity.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Since the rebuild will take at least two years (and pretty much the same timeline if we has deliberately deep sixed 2020 instead of having it happen to us) those restructured contracts are irrelevant. You don't want to be signing FAs during a rebuild for a couple reasons:

1) you want to acquire comp picks

2) you want to wait until you've rebuilt to start adding FAs, basically even 26-27 year old FA contracts are 3 year deals (if you get year 4 and 5 that's bonus), so you don't want to sign those players the first year of a rebuild, then say goodbye just when you're getting good again (Slay is going to be trade bait).

So you don't actually need that cap room during the rebuild, other than your 1st rd picks, your other draft picks, UDFAs and SFAs will be cheap.

By 2023 Howie will have all the cap room he needs, hopefully he's learned to avoid FAs over 27 except on short-term deals.

Hopefully someone else... but, that seems highly unlikely.

 

As for the restructure contracts being irrelevant, that's 100% ridiculous and you know it.  It is eating up cap space for 2021 and 2022.  That is cap space that could either be used to find some young player somewhere on this roster worthy of being resigned to an extension... or just rolled over to future years when you've hopefully drafted some players actually worthy of extending.

31 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You can't keep Hurts if they are going with Wentz. They need to trade him and see what Wentz can do in a new system with a new coach without having to look over his shoulder.

Yes you can. He's under contract for three more years, with zero leverage. Want to whine about it, you're the #3 QB moping up in exhbition games.

5 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

 

Using the " F it” method? 

Of course not. 
 

But with Howie and Lurie running the show, F it. 
 

In all honesty, I’d be OK with Duce as the head coach. The most important hire would be the OC. 

Just now, austinfan said:

Yes you can. He's under contract for three more years, with zero leverage. Want to whine about it, you're the #3 QB moping up in exhbition games.

Yeah, he'll be moping.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hopefully someone else... but, that seems highly unlikely.

As for the restructure contracts being irrelevant, that's 100% ridiculous and you know it.  It is eating up cap space for 2021 and 2022.  That is cap space that could either be used to find some young player somewhere on this roster worthy of being resigned to an extension... or just rolled over to future years when you've hopefully drafted some players actually worthy of extending.

Who is even eligible? And by 2023 you'll have somewhere in the area of $50M of cap room when all the current contracts are wiped off the board, and more money in 2024 before you have to sign all those draft picks to extensions. If you do a serous rebuild, the cap isn't an issue the first couple season, this year's draft picks don't become eligible for extensions until the 2024 season.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah, he'll be moping.

Actually I doubt it. Hurts was a model citizen in Alabama when he was benched for Tua.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Of course not. 
 

But with Howie and Lurie running the show, F it. 
 

In all honesty, I’d be OK with Duce as the head coach. The most important hire would be the OC. 

I can’t get behind the method of thinking. Sorry

52 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Afan is in complete full 360 degree spin mode, and he's so dizzy now, that he's lost sight of his original direction.

The old Dave spindaro

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Who is even eligible? And by 2023 you'll have somewhere in the area of $50M of cap room when all the current contracts are wiped off the board, and more money in 2024 before you have to sign all those draft picks to extensions. If you do a serous rebuild, the cap isn't an issue the first couple season, this year's draft picks don't become eligible for extensions until the 2024 season.

Actually I doubt it. Hurts was a model citizen in Alabama when he was benched for Tua.

Exactly the problem... who exactly is on the roster worthy of extending?   NO ONE, because this GM has left a bare cupboard of talents.

 

But, let's keep the guy who dug the deep cap hole, while simultaneously NOT drafting anyone worth extending.   That's an AMAZING feat.  

I’m going to predict KC vs BAL, and GB vs NO in the conference championship games 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We have a lot of young players, just no elite players (yet). We'll see how Dillard, Mailata, Reagor develop the next couple years.

But we should have three top ten picks the next three years, plus high second round picks, plus some volume drafts with comp picks and maybe a trade or two.

So the current roster is merely the starting point of the rebuild, hopefully a lot of these guys will be come solid starters or top reserves to surround the 4 or 5 top players we land in the next three drafts. Bring in a top WR, and Reagor is #2, Fulgham, Watkins and Ward fight it out for slot, bring in a top TE and Goedert is your blocking TE, bring in a solid RG and Herbig is great depth, and so on.

I think some people have the fantasy that perfect drafts and signings could have sustained this team, what it could have done was maybe keep them at 8-8, 9-7 and drafting in the high teens/low twenties, every team whiffs on some top picks and has bad luck with injuries - no GM was going to keep this team at the top. Baltimore's FO couldn't kee them from years of floundering after they won a SB. Better that we do a "Hinkie" than muddle along in mediocrity.

And your fine with this? So after this terrible season you are cool with 3 more top ten picks. If this team has 4 straight losing seasons I can’t even think how catastrophic that will be. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m going to predict KC vs BAL, and GB vs NO in the conference championship games 

My guess is KC vs BAL and GB vs TB. 

you want to be really upset about our cap situation go look at the wide receivers that are going to be available in the free-agent market this off-season. If we actually had cap space to spend there’s like two or three that would be massive upgrades and worth the money you were going to pay them. Meanwhile we were like lets just restructure Alshon Jeffery and trade for an old injury prone DeSean Jackson 

Two more losing seasons is three top ten picks, three early second rd picks, you hit on 4-5 of them and a couple later round picks and you have the nucleus of a team along with players like Mailata, Dillard, Reagor, etc. Go look at the top playoff teams, who has a starting 22 composed of mostly high draft picks - all are a combination of high picks, later round picks, UDFs, SFAs and a few high priced FAs.

Like I said, this team should turn around in 2023, same as AR in 2000, after seasons of 6, 3 and 5 wins - those drafts landed:

1998:  Tra #11, Trotter #72, Rossum #85, Whiting #112, Reese #142 (traded down instead of taking Hines Ward)

1999:  McNabb #2, Gardner #35, Brzezinski #64, Welbourn #97, Moore #128

2000:  Simon #6, Pinkston #36, Williams #61

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

you want to be really upset about our cap situation go look at the wide receivers that are going to be available in the free-agent market this off-season. If we actually had cap space to spend there’s like two or three that would be massive upgrades and worth the money you were going to pay them. Meanwhile we were like lets just restructure Alshon Jeffery and trade for an old injury prone DeSean Jackson 

So the players available this offseason could have played for us in 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Great, we'll add a Wr in 2021 and go 8-8. Whoopie do.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So the players available this offseason could have played for us in 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Great, we'll add a Wr in 2021 and go 8-8. Whoopie do.

No just pointing out howie, how idiotic your decisions were with old, declining injury prone wide receivers were for those 2018-2020 rosters and wasting cap space on bad contracts hurt them this offseason. WHOOOPPPIE FOR THOSE MOVES. Way to go Dave!

34 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

I think some people have the fantasy that perfect drafts and signings could have sustained this team

 

Yikes. 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Two more losing seasons is three top ten picks, three early second rd picks, you hit on 4-5 of them and a couple later round picks and you have the nucleus of a team