To the dopes who think Stafford is much better than Wentz, take a look at their 1st 5 years. You will see they are almost exactly the same, the main differences are Wentz has a lot less INT's,  23 less to be exact(and he played in 7 more games than Stafford), a better comp % by over 3 points. You will also see that Stafford's lowest INT total is 16 which is higher than any season total Wentz has had. Wentz does have a lot more fumbles than Stafford(58/23 Lost to 29/11 Lost) but Wentz is still has 12 less turnovers. So no Stafford isn't >>> Wentz, Stafford = Wentz IMO. I want them to keep Wentz, but if they move him he should receive a similar package to Stafford(2 1st's + Player/mid round pick). 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok....I guess none of my counterparts will pick this up, so I'll do it.  

 

Let me ask you a question.   Why do you think he felt the need to play "backyard hero ball" and why do you consider that a bad thing?  

Its my opinion he feels the need to play "backyard hero ball” because thats his preferred style of play.  Throughout his professional and collegiate career he has used his athleticism to extend plays.  It’s become obvious he overestimates his abilities.  This style of play will lead to mistakes and inconsistency. (Unless your Patrick Mahomes). 
 

The best way to improve his game, and grow as a Quarterback, is to learn from mistakes.  It is CLEAR as day he has issues with criticism.

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

This might be the longest offseason that I can remember.  I mean we're not even post SB.  I also guess with a 56 million dead cap number the team is only going to be able to have cap space for 22 players next season.  So maybe we will get to see some good 2 way play.  I mean I think Kelce would be a helluva a DE.  

7 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

And yet for another year .... Sweet Caroline .... Rae Carruth never looked so good.... So good ..... So good.  Don't drop the soap

I'm sorry are you attacking North Carolina for putting murderers in jail? 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This might be the longest offseason that I can remember.  I mean we're not even post SB.  I also guess with a 56 million dead cap number the team is only going to be able to have cap space for 22 players next season.  So maybe we will get to see some good 2 way play.  I mean I think Kelce would be a helluva a DE.  

I'm sorry are you attacking North Carolina for putting murderers in jail? 

Of all the trolls, this guy is the trolliest. Please my friend, never, ever, quote him/her again.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How can they field multiple calls if they haven't hung up the phone?

That damn 3 way calling

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Let’s start here. The bolded is not correct. Both the base salary and roster bonus are already fully guaranteed. Notice the Guaranteed salary column of $25.4M, that’s what it is referring to. Look at the "contract notes” under the table. For reference: "Wentz' 2019 and 2020 base salaries are guaranteed as is a $10 million 2021 roster bonus.  Wentz' 2021 salary will become fully guaranteed if he is on the roster on the 3rd day of the 2020 league year”

On the 3rd day of the 2021 league year the Eagles pay the $10M roster bonus but it’s guaranteed. Just like his 2021 base salary is because he was here in 2020. You’re last sentence is correct. 

This is not correct. You are showing the table saying "Cut pre-June 1”. That’s when the $59M in dead money comes into play, as explained above how his roster and base are already guaranteed. If Carson Wentz is traded after the 3rd day of the 2021 league year, his dead cap number is $44,673,536 (his original $34,673,536 + $10,000,000 roster bonus assuming it was paid and not restructured to a later date). His base salary is paid out over the regular season and would be still guaranteed but transferred to the team trading for him. He cannot be cut at all without taking on $59M in dead money either all in 2021 or split up via post June 1st between 2021 and 2022. 
 

Further, what they were referring to before is if you look at his contract notes, $15M of his 2022 base salary becomes fully guaranteed if he is on the roster the 3rd day of the 2021 league year. When they say “$25M more” they are referencing paying the  2021 roster bonus of $10M + $15M of 2022 base salary. Which, as I said earlier, they would be responsible for if they cut him in 2022. If they keep him this year but trade him next year they can get out of that $15M.

I do not agree with most of this.  Emailed the over the cap guys for clarificaiton.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I do not agree with most of this.  Emailed the over the cap guys for clarificaiton.

What specifically? Half the stuff is laid out on the OTC website. The fact that guaranteed base salary does not stay behind when traded is common knowledge.  

I think we are going to get some good compensation for Wentz.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

  He had 3 receptions, 1 TD and 73 yards.  

Yeah and took Gilmore and a safety the whole second half freeing up ertz and Ag 

4 hours ago, greend said:

Unless he's hunting for wild boars, coyotes, or crows. He better be in a tree stand in another country. 

Wild boars is too nice of a way to refer to feral hogs.  One of our worse invasive species.  Good eating.  Can’t imagine shooting crows, coyotes, mountain lion, bobcat, foxes, wolves or bears.  Scavengers and predators are under populated.  

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Sometimes I feel like this fanbase doesn't deserve a franchise QB

I mean from 77 to 4 games into 93 the team had Jaws and Randall.  Then the injury and Randall didn't want to learn the west coast offense.  It was a different era but both Jaws and Cunningham had their detractors.  The knock on Cunningham was that he was not reading defenses but just ad libbing plays.  He also didn't respond to coaching after he saw himself as a superstar.  I think the team wasted his potential by not giving him good coaching.  I mean look at what he did in MN.  McNabb had a good run from 99 to 09.  Of course, I don't think there was a season that went by that we didn't hear about 30 morons from WIP that booed McNabb at the draft. It was as if all of those morons represented all of the Philadelphia fan base.  I think we have averaged about 2 seasons a QB since that time.  The longest run has been Wentz.  Wentz deserves the criticism he has received.  At the same time, I can't help but think a big part of the problem this past season was coaching and roster talent.  I mean the fact that he has never had an elite WR since being drafted speaks to a big issue with the team.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok....I guess none of my counterparts will pick this up, so I'll do it.  

 

Let me ask you a question.   Why do you think he felt the need to play "backyard hero ball" and why do you consider that a bad thing?  

Carson doesn't process the field quickly enough to throw accurately and on time.  Therefore he has to play "backyard hero ball" in order to be effective.  Now that his athleticism is obviously diminished, he's not good enough to pull it off.  He never had the ability between the ears to be a Brady, Montana, Brees type.

So now he's basically a white RG3.

37 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK, since everyone wants this to be such a huge story, I'm sure lots of teams get calls asking who is available or what it might take to get a player.  You don't think the Eagles are working the phones trying to see what players they can bring in?  This again is a NON story.  So teams are calling the Eagles, who cares.  Now, if the Eagles were the ones calling and shopping Carson, now we have a story.  

Breaking news, other teams want to bring good players to their teams.  Team with coveted players are having to answer the phone!!

I'm neither a Wentz Washer or  Wentz Basher.  I want what's best for the Eagles.  But I 100% hate the media anymore and just for that fact I hope the Eagles don't trade Wentz and all of their stupid speculations, reports and bogus reporting can be all for nothing.

it's funny you'll believe the stories about foles and bradford trade rumors from the same sources but when it comes to wentz, it's nah you are liars and making stuff up.

1 minute ago, AzBirdGang said:

I think we are going to get some good compensation for Wentz.

I am not so sure...if the cap implications are the way they are, the Eagles might have to pay up front for the trading team to carry some of the contract liabilities....much like the Rams paid Detroit...

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What specifically? Half the stuff is laid out on the OTC website. The fact that guaranteed base salary does not stay behind when traded is common knowledge.  

I will just wait for clarification.  But this notion we are paying additional money is false.  The numbers are the same, it is just when they are guaranteed in regards to cap implication.  

 

8 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

it's funny you'll believe the stories about foles and bradford trade rumors from the same sources but when it comes to wentz, it's nah you are liars and making stuff up.

11 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

If you think you saw something in the last 4 games this season to warrant a permanent change at the position, you have an agenda of some sort.

The prior 12 weeks of Carson stinking out the joint with braindead/awful play, along with a couple of inconsistent seasons before that, are more than enough to warrant a permanent change.

Anyone refusing to acknowledge that is the one with the agenda, one of putting Carson Pyrite above the team.

4 hours ago, greend said:

He doesn't need to leave but a couple of the things (that he can't control) will not be better this year. Unless Nick is all the difference that's needed and Doug was 90% of what made the team bad.

I have said since Flip left that Carson needed a real QB coach.  Nick got him one of those.   Plus, that QB coach doesn’t also function as passing coordinator.  Why he will have some input, just like Moorehead will, their primary job is teaching the mechanics of the job.  Thing with Carson is most of his faults can be fixed.   I don’t think he will ever be as accurate as Rodgers on long throws but not many are.   But the sailing balls and the mechanics are all fixable.  Flip had Carson on his way.  The hardest fixes he has are sailing balls and fumbles and those are mostly muscle memory and hero ball issues that can be solved.  Don’t you think Carson wants to be 2017 Carson again?   I do.  By the way, I think Hurts biggest issue is a bit harder to fix and that’s progressions.  He needs to trust his clock a bit more.   

And if Nick really does design plays towards players’ strengths, then Carson and our young wideouts should prosper. 

Plus, I suspect there is a decent chance that a good part of the OL will return healthy and they will continue to build bench strength and successors.  Good draft for that.  

@downundermike @4for4EaglesNest  I am up to a bakers dozen now, just put a few on.  Might be a few more coming today yet! 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I will just wait for clarification.  But this notion we are paying additional money is false.  The numbers are the same, it is just when they are guaranteed in regards to cap implication.  

 

You're mixing up scenarios. 

They need to trade him before his roster bonus is paid. If they pay the roster bonus and trade him after, it adds to his dead cap left behind. That's been the focal point of any "trade Wentz" article. And I didn't say they are paying additional money besides the roster bonus. I said money becomes guaranteed which they would be on the hook for if they want to cut him in 2022.

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His fully guaranteed salary of $15,400,000, plus a guaranteed roster bonus of $10 million would transfer to his new team, provided that such a deal would occur before the third day of the new league year (March 19), when the $10 million roster bonus is due. If the Eagles were to make a deal after that roster bonus is paid, their dead money hit in a trade would be $43,820,611

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-carson-wentz-contract-breakdown-salary-cap-hit-explained-options-keep-trade-release-0599970/

5 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

Y’all getting comfortable with a QB at 6 yet?

Justin Fields please....If it has to be a QB 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What specifically? Half the stuff is laid out on the OTC website. The fact that guaranteed base salary does not stay behind when traded is common knowledge.  

Did some additional reading, it is how those numbers hit based on a trade vs being cut I think is causing the confusion between our two takes on it.

The point I am trying to make, the cap number is basically identical if he is on the roster or traded, so it makes no sense cap wise to trade him.  There is no additional 2021 cap hit because the roster bonus is paid.

Sure, some 2022 salary becomes guaranteed the 3rd day of this league year, but the 2022 salary cap will be back to normal levels, so you get savings against the cap number and have room to deal with it cap wise.

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Justin Fields please....If it has to be a QB 

🤮

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Did some additional reading, it is how those numbers hit based on a trade vs being cut I think is causing the confusion between our two takes on it.

The point I am trying to make, the cap number is basically identical if he is on the roster or traded, so it makes no sense cap wise to trade him.  There is no additional 2021 cap hit because the roster bonus is paid.

Sure, some 2022 salary becomes guaranteed the 3rd day of this league year, but the 2022 salary cap will be back to normal levels, so you get savings against the cap number and have room to deal with it cap wise.

Right, if he is kept on the roster, there is no additional hit because the roster bonus is paid, it's already factored in. I was referring to a trade before the bonus is paid vs a trade after the bonus is paid. That's when his dead cap number would change. 

Anyway, you are usually on track with how this stuff works. I just disagreed with a few details in specific scenarios. 

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

@downundermike @4for4EaglesNest  I am up to a bakers dozen now, just put a few on.  Might be a few more coming today yet! 

Oh Boy you are so cool! Hey maybe if you put enough people on Ignore you will only talk to yourself! You will also get your own room with padded walls and a free reversible jacket!!!