19 minutes ago, Macho Grande said:

Team that drafted Duce into the NFL: 

Philadelphia Eagles

 

List of teams that were willing to take a chance on Duce as a coach after his playing days: 

1. Philadelphia Eagles

 

List of NFL teams to offer Duce an OC job: 

1. Philadelphia Eagles

 

List of NFL teams to even interview Duce for a HC job:

1. Philadelphia Eagles

 

Clueless fans and race-baiting media on twitter:

"Man, the Eagles really have shafted Duce!"

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself

No hard feelings, but fine by me. I say clean house.

I think it's a shame but I don't blame him. Not one bit. I think it'll do him good anyway to go out there and prove his worth elsewhere. 

2 hours ago, SPIDER-MAN said:

I would to. It's clear he is never going to go any higher than co-coordinator, which is a dumb title. So the fact that he wasn't considered as the lone offensive coordinator is telling. At least with the Bears he has a shot.

If he has to move around to get more experience he should do it. Clearly the Eagles FO only viewed him as their in the pocket Rooney Rule. Time to move on.

Weather you liked Duce or not this team is going to sheet nobody wants to Coach here anymore 

29 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Weather you liked Duce or not this team is going to sheet nobody wants to Coach here anymore 

Yeah I agree with you bud. This whole off season, which I guess has not technically begun league wide, has been a complete mess so far. It's dysfunctional. 

A quote from Duce in the recent past:

"I'm not worried about being a coordinator. I'm worried about being able to be out there and coach for another Super Bowl," Staley told philly.com. 

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2018/07/07/Eagles-Duce-Staley-only-focused-on-one-title/1451530991127/

When you say things like that, owners around the league take notice. You have to want it, and be a go getter to get that position. You tell an owner(s) you aren't worried about it, instead of saying, "Hey, I am qualified, and I want and deserve that position", then you aren't going to get it. That's how businesses work. You need to show the boss YOU are the one. THAT is why he got "overlooked."

I don't blame Duce and I don't blame the Eagles. It is what it is. He needs to try to find a HC job at a smaller college and work his way up.  Either that or he has to find someone to give him a chance to be an OC in the NFL. I don't see most owners hiring a RB coach and making him a NFL HC without working as an OC or as a QB coach. They usually want coaches who work with QBs, especially when you consider that most HC openings are usually with organizations that need to fix QB issues.

It’s called a contract he signed it probably makes a good penny so the big baby will be just fine. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I agree with you bud. This whole off season, which I guess has not technically begun league wide, has been a complete mess so far. It's dysfunctional. 

Why? I think it has gone pretty okay... other than not moving on from or relegating Howie, I am happy with the decision making so far.

Love Duce but ready to ditch the blind loyalty. Time for new era and system.

3 hours ago, mihailo said:

Why? I think it has gone pretty okay... other than not moving on from or relegating Howie, I am happy with the decision making so far.

So you think this was all part of the plan? Fire Doug and hire Sirianni? You think that was their first choice and not the top candidates that most teams wanted? I mean look who knows which of these HC hires will work out, I'm not going to say Sirianni is going to be a bad one... But this was a bad process in my opinion. 

16 hours ago, MrFadedGlory said:

Andy’s new OC if Bieniemy get a HC gig.

Uh, no.  Andy promotes from within.  Kafka is up next.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Uh, no.  Andy promotes from within.  Kafka is up next.

It’s crazy the Kafka is even getting considerations for HC jobs.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So you think this was all part of the plan? Fire Doug and hire Sirianni? You think that was their first choice and not the top candidates that most teams wanted? I mean look who knows which of these HC hires will work out, I'm not going to say Sirianni is going to be a bad one... But this was a bad process in my opinion. 

Eh, I’m intrigued by Sirianni. He’s worked with a lot of good QBs and undoubtedly played a role in their success. The Colts had top ten offenses in two of the last three years, and were 16th the other year with Brisset at QB. That’s impressive. 
 

You can say it was Reich’s offense and Sirianni didn’t call plays, but the same is true for Reich himself when he moved from our OC to Colts HC. 

10 minutes ago, nipples said:

Eh, I’m intrigued by Sirianni. He’s worked with a lot of good QBs and undoubtedly played a role in their success. The Colts had top ten offenses in two of the last three years, and were 16th the other year with Brisset at QB. That’s impressive. 
 

You can say it was Reich’s offense and Sirianni didn’t call plays, but the same is true for Reich himself when he moved from our OC to Colts HC. 

I'm not saying he's going to be a bad hire. Just like Saleh was the hot prospect this year and we don't know if he'll be a good hire for NY. But to me it very much looks like an organisation who lack direction and a plan. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So you think this was all part of the plan? Fire Doug and hire Sirianni? You think that was their first choice and not the top candidates that most teams wanted? I mean look who knows which of these HC hires will work out, I'm not going to say Sirianni is going to be a bad one... But this was a bad process in my opinion. 

I interview people for jobs all the time, I don't think I have ever wanted to hire the first people through the door. There was no one hired up until the Eagles choice who makes me go: wow, I wish they hired them instead.

People forget, just because the Eagles interview them, it doesn't mean the Eagles want them in the end. Who did you want so badly that got hired?

Honestly, this could have been the Eagles favourite of all the people they interviewed, they seemed to target all up and coming young candidates. So one could argue there was some strategy. 

I wonder if Nick offered Duce an offensive coordinator job...would that change his mind?

15 hours ago, CaliEagle said:

I don't blame Duce and I don't blame the Eagles. It is what it is. He needs to try to find a HC job at a smaller college and work his way up.  Either that or he has to find someone to give him a chance to be an OC in the NFL. I don't see most owners hiring a RB coach and making him a NFL HC without working as an OC or as a QB coach. They usually want coaches who work with QBs, especially when you consider that most HC openings are usually with organizations that need to fix QB issues.

Exactly ! Smaller steps. Duce should have lobbied for coordinator position with the Eagles  years ago, instead of Accepting assistant Head coach and a chunk of change. Even if He was not calling the plays and Doug was..he would be able to demonstrate his game planning experience. It is what it is.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So you think this was all part of the plan? Fire Doug and hire Sirianni? You think that was their first choice and not the top candidates that most teams wanted? I mean look who knows which of these HC hires will work out, I'm not going to say Sirianni is going to be a bad one... But this was a bad process in my opinion. 

You know what's funny about the NFL is that bad teams are usually replacing coaches at the end of the season. Some of the coaches don't even make it to the end. Those teams are beginning their searches right away. It becomes a race to fill the void before the next team. Meanwhile the better teams are usually still in the playoffs and those teams' assistant coaches can't really do anything yet. So if you're in a hurry to fill that spot, you pass on some of the better prospects. If you rush to say, "You're hired," you forgo the opportunity to expand your search and interview potentially better options. We see it year after year, coaches that get hired quickly, fail quickly. When a team takes its time, and interviews many candidates, they may risk not getting someone they like, but at the same time, they have time to find another person they like. 

The thing you have to remember is that it's not like you absolutely have to get one of the top 2 available candidates. There are coaches out there waiting for opportunities that are going to be successful in the right situation. You need to make sure you find one for your situation. 

On 1/23/2021 at 7:55 AM, Swoop said:

Couldn't care less if he leaves. 

Other than Stout, name another position coach who actually develops his players on the team. 

9 minutes ago, Erie said:

Other than Stout, name another position coach who actually develops his players on the team. 

Is this implication here that Duce develops the running backs? Is that what you're going for? Who did he develop?

He became the running backs coach in 2013:

McCoy was already established at that point, so no.

Bryce Brown? No.

Darren Sproles? Already established long before coming here 

Chris Polk? No. 

Ryan Matthews? Already established and injury prone.

DeMarco Murray? Did nothing here (I'll blame Chip for this one).

Wendell Smallwood? No.

Kenjon Barber? No. 

LaGarrette Blount? Already established.

Jay Ajayi? Already established. 

Corey Clement? He did help us win a SB, so credit I guess, but he blows.

Josh Adams? No. 

Miles Sanders? Sure.

Jordan Howard? Already established.

Boston Scott? Sure. 

Won't go into the guys like Holyfield, Killings, Huntley, etc.

So developing close to nobody in the eight years he's coached here and being woefully inept in the running back rotation he's allegedly in charge of.

Yeah, I really couldn't care less if he leaves. 

16 hours ago, CaliEagle said:

He needs to try to find a HC job at a smaller college and work his way up.  Either that or he has to find someone to give him a chance to be an OC in the NFL. I don't see most owners hiring a RB coach and making him a NFL HC without working as an OC or as a QB coach. They usually want coaches who work with QBs, especially when you consider that most HC openings are usually with organizations that need to fix QB issues.

^^ Underrated statement right here, and this may be at least part of the problem for Duce and it makes perfect sense.  He's a great candidate, but what he knows most is how to coach running backs.  Nobody wants running backs coaches to be anything other than running backs coaches.  It's a niche gig. 

Also, as @Macho Grande said, talented young position coaches usually get poached by other teams for coordinator positions.  Why has nobody ever even attempted to hire Duce?

Let him out of his contract.  Say "thank you for your years of service", and send him on his way.  He may get a job somewhere else, but I doubt it.

 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

Exactly ! Smaller steps. Duce should have lobbied for coordinator position with the Eagles  years ago, instead of Accepting assistant Head coach and a chunk of change. Even if He was not calling the plays and Doug was..he would be able to demonstrate his game planning experience. It is what it is.

He didn’t need to "lobby” particularly hard for it. The report is that he turned down the Eagles OC position when it was offered to him a couple years ago because it didn’t include playcalling duties... He shot himself in the foot there. Unless he happens to go be the OC for a team with a defensive HC, he wasn’t going to get to call plays, which apparently was a deal breaker for him. 

Duce going to Lions.  Assistant HC/RB Coach, same title as here.