4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Love how this is a slap fest of how my side sucks less. How about we expect more out of the people we entrust to run the government from both sides. 

Norseman said it best though, this is tribalism at its finest. 

There is no question that the republicans (as a party) no longer stand for the rule of law or even basic democratic principles.  The big election lie, the riot on Jan. 6th (and what republicans have done in the wake of the riot -- change their story about what happened, not agree to investigate, etc.)  is all you need to look at. 

Dems have not done anything close to that.   There is no equivalency -- sorry.   They don't all suck even close to equally.   I don't buy it.  

When the very foundation of our democracy is attacked -  based on a lie supported and pushed forward by many Republican's -- and then they seek to minimize what happened:   one party cannot claim moral parity with the other.    

 

30 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Love how this is a slap fest of how my side sucks less. How about we expect more out of the people we entrust to run the government from both sides. 

Norseman said it best though, this is tribalism at its finest. 

I think the issue is that so many lean on whataboutism to justify continued support for one party that's a demonstrable threat to our democracy. 

Reminder: north of 70% of registered Republicans believe Trump won. 

You couldn't even get that many Democrats to believe Clinton won the 2016 democratic primary lol. 

So many Republicans are just rejecting facts and selecting their own alternate reality. My Facebook feed seems to support that

3 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Love how this is a slap fest of how my side sucks less. How about we expect more out of the people we entrust to run the government from both sides. 

Norseman said it best though, this is tribalism at its finest. 

Well the issue at the moment is that Republicans in here, for some convoluted reason, have a problem with the Dems forcing Cuomo out. I mean, if the concern is accountability, then waiting until an investigation confirms the allegations and then calling for his resignation is exactly the right course of action.  

9 hours ago, The Norseman said:

It really is laughable how you all blow off allegations against your beloved candidates but triple down on those against your opposition. 

I have no idea if Reade's claims were real or not.  All I know is that they were far more serious and viable than Blasey Ford's ever were.  But Reade's claims were ignored by the media and simply laughed off by the same Biden voters that screamed about Kavanaugh while feverishly supporting the ridiculous media circus that followed. 

"We believe all women" what a joke. 

I’m laughing because she said she voted for him anyway. 

20 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I think the issue is that so many lean on whataboutism to justify continued support for one party that's a demonstrable threat to our democracy. 

Both of these parties are demonstrable threats to our democracy at this point.  And whataboutism is the lifeblood of this ridiculous forum.  

7 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Both of these parties are demonstrable threats to our democracy at this point.  And whataboutism is the lifeblood of this ridiculous forum.  

Wake me up when the Democrats march on the Capitol to try and actually overthrow an election. 

There is no moral equivalence.

23 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Blasey Ford testified in front of the Senate under the penalty of perjury. Tara Reade didn't even so much as provide sworn testimony of her allegations. So no, Reade's claims weren't "far more viable". But thoroughly amusing that a shameless hack such as yourself would bring up Reade and ignore the 20+ women accusing Trump of sexual misconduct. I guess Reade's claims were "far more viable" than theirs too.

Fair point.  But there was no proof that Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh were ever in the same room together...no less the same party.  No one could corroborate her testimony...not to mention the ridiculous amount of time that has passed.  At least Reade could prove she worked with Biden and that he held some position of power over her and had some coworker validation.  

Again, I think both these women are whackos and I don't believe either.  But the fact that I can see the double standard here makes me far less of a "shameless hack" than most in here.  

Just now, The Norseman said:

Fair point.  But there was no proof that Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh were ever in the same room together...no less the same party.  No one could corroborate her testimony...not to mention the ridiculous amount of time that has passed.  At least Reade could prove she worked with Biden and that he held some position of power over her and had some coworker validation.  

Again, I think both these women are whackos and I don't believe either.  But the fact that I can see the double standard here makes me far less of a "shameless hack" than most in here.  

Cool, now do Trump and his accusers...

5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Wake me up when the Democrats march on the Capitol to try and actually overthrow an election. 

There is no moral equivalence.

Yeah, that whole thing kinda took the wind out of the sails of both-sides-ers. Not a good look for them anymore in a post Jan 6th world.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

Wake me up when the Democrats march on the Capitol to try and actually overthrow an election. 

There is no moral equivalence.

I have said many times that this was a shameful act and that these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  But the notion that this was a planned "insurrection" with the intent (or ability) of overthrowing our democracy is just nonsense.  And for the record, I think Trump should have been impeached after the fact for his part in it.  This was a bunch of stupid opportunists, motivated by a stupid leader who saw an opportunity and seized it.  If this had been a real attempt to overthrow the government it would have been armed and organized.  

 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Cool, now do Trump and his accusers...

Convict him, be my guest.  

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

I have said many times that this was a shameful act and that these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  But the notion that this was a planned "insurrection" with the intent (or ability) of overthrowing our democracy is just nonsense.  And for the record, I think Trump should have been impeached after the fact for his part in it.  This was a bunch of stupid opportunists, motivated by a stupid leader who saw an opportunity and seized it.  If this had been a real attempt to overthrow the government it would have been armed and organized.  

 

Convict him, be my guest.  

An opportunity for what?

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I have said many times that this was a shameful act and that these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  But the notion that this was a planned "insurrection" with the intent (or ability) of overthrowing our democracy is just nonsense.  And for the record, I think Trump should have been impeached after the fact for his part in it.  This was a bunch of stupid opportunists, motivated by a stupid leader who saw an opportunity and seized it.  If this had been a real attempt to overthrow the government it would have been armed and organized.  

 

Convict him, be my guest.  

Oh it was a real attempt, it's just that trumpbots are thankfully the dumbest cult on our planet.

20 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Both of these parties are demonstrable threats to our democracy at this point.  And whataboutism is the lifeblood of this ridiculous forum.  

Both parties suck. However, its not a both sides thing. One wants people to vote. The other doesn't want to have elections at all. 

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

An opportunity for what?

Some lighthearted meandering and a free tour of the Capitol

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

An opportunity for what?

An opportunity to to make their protest to the next level.  This happened the same way that all protests turn into riots and violence.  Things escalate, groups turn into mobs and bad ideas turn into reality.  

Just now, The Norseman said:

An opportunity to to make their protest to the next level.  This happened the same way that all protests turn into riots and violence.  Things escalate, groups turn into mobs and bad ideas turn into reality.  

And what happens at the next level?

2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

An opportunity to to make their protest to the next level.  This happened the same way that all protests turn into riots and violence.  Things escalate, groups turn into mobs and bad ideas turn into reality.  

Except this one resulted in the secret service rushing the second highest ranking member of our government to safety. But yeah, other than that, it's basically the same as all other protests.

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I have said many times that this was a shameful act and that these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  But the notion that this was a planned "insurrection" with the intent (or ability) of overthrowing our democracy is just nonsense.  And for the record, I think Trump should have been impeached after the fact for his part in it.  This was a bunch of stupid opportunists, motivated by a stupid leader who saw an opportunity and seized it.  If this had been a real attempt to overthrow the government it would have been armed and organized.  

There are plenty of people who attended the rally fully expecting to march on the Capitol and stop the proceedings.

Was it a majority? No. But there were a lot, and there's certainly some strong reason to believe they were assisted by some members of Congress.

The fact that they had no idea what they were doing is no defense. They absolutely wanted to toss out an election and install their own leader. What would you call that?

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

And what happens at the next level?

All sorts of things.  But in this case a Federal building get damaged and raided by a bunch of uneducated fools dressed up in silly outfits and Viking hats.  Quite similar to what happened to the Portland Federal courthouse.  

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

There are plenty of people who attended the rally fully expecting to march on the Capitol and stop the proceedings.

Was it a majority? No. But there were a lot, and there's certainly some strong reason to believe they were assisted by some members of Congress.

The fact that they had no idea what they were doing is no defense. They absolutely wanted to toss out an election and install their own leader. What would you call that?

I'm not defending them in any way whatsoever.  This was the single biggest stain on the Republican party in my lifetime and I'm ashamed that it happened.  You can call it whatever you want, and I think that we should absolutely treat it seriously to send a loud a clear message.

But to suggest that a small number of fools with no real ability to accomplish anything was in some way representative of all Republican's in this country you are really reaching.  Just as the violent liberals in Portland don't represent all Democrats, this group in DC doesn't represent Republicans. 

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Except this one resulted in the secret service rushing the second highest ranking member of our government to safety. But yeah, other than that, it's basically the same as all other protests.

They also that when some guy jumps the fence with a knife and runs towards the white house.  Is that an insurrection too?  Probably only if the guy is a Republican.  😆

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

They also that when some guy jumps the fence with a knife and runs towards the white house.  Is that an insurrection too?  Probably only if the guy is a Republican.  😆

Right, and same for all members of congress too. Look, I know it's hard for you to confront the reality that the guy you worshipped for 4 years sunk your party for the foreseeable future, but if it makes you feel better to pretend like Jan 6th was no big deal, then have at it, brother.

6 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

They also that when some guy jumps the fence with a knife and runs towards the white house.  Is that an insurrection too?  Probably only if the guy is a Republican.  😆

And once inside the door of the white house, he was instructed to stop by armed secret service, complied, and was arrested.

Maybe if the Jan 6 idiots had obeyed the commands of police, we would not be talking about insurrections.  But as we learned on January 6th, back the blue is all talk, and Trump voters really do not care about the police unless it fits an agenda.

6 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I'm not defending them in any way whatsoever.  This was the single biggest stain on the Republican party in my lifetime and I'm ashamed that it happened.  You can call it whatever you want, and I think that we should absolutely treat it seriously to send a loud a clear message.

But to suggest that a small number of fools with no real ability to accomplish anything was in some way representative of all Republican's in this country you are really reaching.  Just as the violent liberals in Portland don't represent all Democrats, this group in DC doesn't represent Republicans. 

Not all, just most.