October 20, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Im all for it. In fact I hope it catches on because F you. The fact that people like his had themselves out there while the majority cowered in their homes guarantees my support 😂😂😂
October 20, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, DBW said: Imagine taking an oath to protect and serve, to swear on the Bible to put someone else life ahead of your own, to promise to take a bullet for others, to run into a fire to save a burning child, but then being such a **** that you can’t take a simple shot in the arm to help protect these same people (and yourself) from a deadly virus. Stepping up to take that oath?
October 20, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Stepping up to take that oath? Nobody wants this old fat slow guy with achy joints chasing bad guys 😆
October 20, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, DBW said: Nobody wants this old fat slow guy with achy joints chasing bad guys 😆 That fine but I find no fault in those who no longer wish to adhere to an oath to protect and serve a society and government that does not support them.
October 21, 20214 yr 39 minutes ago, lynched1 said: That fine but I find no fault in those who no longer wish to adhere to an oath to protect and serve a society and government that does not support them. That’s fine because if they’re afraid of a little needle, I don’t want them protecting me and I won’t support them in this pathetic display of selfishness.
October 21, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, DBW said: That’s fine because if they’re afraid of a little needle, I don’t want them protecting me and I won’t support them in this pathetic display of selfishness. The needle is only the delivery system. It's the poison in it. I'll bet that chick on the subway would have been grateful for some untreated protection Lets see how your way works
October 21, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Beyond protecting the stupid civilians that refuse vaccination, or the immunocompromised for whom vaccines are less effective, cops also need to protect themselves. Cops are dying from covid 5x as often as they are dying from gunfire. It's literally the leading cause of death among all cops right now, and about 5% that don't die from it are dealing with long covid. This is a workplace health issue as much as it is a public health issue. If the argument is for their safety, don't you think that is their risk to take? You are ok with them taking risk of gunfire but not the risk of Covid. I'm going to say that you didn't know the numbers of deaths by gunfire before this whole vaccine mess and probably didn't care. And before anyone labels me as anti-vaccine, I have been fully vaccinated but believe that it is each person's right to decide for themselves if they should get the vaccine or not. Should people with natural immunity also be forced to be vaccinated? If so, for what reason? Does the science say natural immunity is less effective than the vaccines? Neither eliminate the risk of infection but what have the studies shown regarding natural immunity? There should be a choice of either getting the vaccine or routine Covid testing for those that don't want to be vaccinated and to fire the very people (nurses, doctors, law enforcement, etc.) who worked through the pandemic when vaccines weren't available is a disgrace.
October 21, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: If the argument is for their safety, don't you think that is their risk to take? You are ok with them taking risk of gunfire but not the risk of Covid. I'm going to say that you didn't know the numbers of deaths by gunfire before this whole vaccine mess and probably didn't care. And before anyone labels me as anti-vaccine, I have been fully vaccinated but believe that it is each person's right to decide for themselves if they should get the vaccine or not. Should people with natural immunity also be forced to be vaccinated? If so, for what reason? Does the science say natural immunity is less effective than the vaccines? Neither eliminate the risk of infection but what have the studies shown regarding natural immunity? There should be a choice of either getting the vaccine or routine Covid testing for those that don't want to be vaccinated and to fire the very people (nurses, doctors, law enforcement, etc.) who worked through the pandemic when vaccines weren't available is a disgrace. The argument isn't for their safety, it's for the safety of those around them. If it was just their risk to take then I would agree with you. It's not. It affects everyone around them. The vaccine reduces the risk of spread. And while those who are vaccinated have a reduced risk of severe disease, it does not eliminate it entirely particularly in high risk populations (see Colin Powell, see any pregnant woman). These people took a job with the end goal of increasing the safety and health of those around them. If they choose to take actions antithetical to that goal well then...bye.
October 21, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: There should be a choice of either getting the vaccine or routine Covid testing for those that don't want to be vaccinated and to fire the very people (nurses, doctors, law enforcement, etc.) who worked through the pandemic when vaccines weren't available is a disgrace. Nevertheless, you will find that the progressives who frequent this thread want to do exactly that - fire those heroes that put themselves on the line at the beginning of the pandemic for refusing to take the vaccine.
October 21, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: If the argument is for their safety, don't you think that is their risk to take? You are ok with them taking risk of gunfire but not the risk of Covid. I'm going to say that you didn't know the numbers of deaths by gunfire before this whole vaccine mess and probably didn't care. And before anyone labels me as anti-vaccine, I have been fully vaccinated but believe that it is each person's right to decide for themselves if they should get the vaccine or not. Should people with natural immunity also be forced to be vaccinated? If so, for what reason? Does the science say natural immunity is less effective than the vaccines? Neither eliminate the risk of infection but what have the studies shown regarding natural immunity? There should be a choice of either getting the vaccine or routine Covid testing for those that don't want to be vaccinated and to fire the very people (nurses, doctors, law enforcement, etc.) who worked through the pandemic when vaccines weren't available is a disgrace. Bullet wounds aren't contagious. If you get shot on duty, you can't go back to the precinct and give your fellow officers similar bullet wounds just by being in the same room as them. You can't give kids, the elderly, and immunocompromised bullet wounds when you're responding to mundane calls at their homes. And yes, I agree that the choice should be vaccination or frequent testing at their own cost. If they refuse that too, well then they're likely more concerned with ideology than doing the job they signed up for. As for natural immunity, it's highly variable and studies have shown reinfection risk with Delta clearly justifies use of vaccination in those cases too.
October 21, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: If the argument is for their safety, don't you think that is their risk to take? You are ok with them taking risk of gunfire but not the risk of Covid. I'm going to say that you didn't know the numbers of deaths by gunfire before this whole vaccine mess and probably didn't care. And before anyone labels me as anti-vaccine, I have been fully vaccinated but believe that it is each person's right to decide for themselves if they should get the vaccine or not. Should people with natural immunity also be forced to be vaccinated? If so, for what reason? Does the science say natural immunity is less effective than the vaccines? Neither eliminate the risk of infection but what have the studies shown regarding natural immunity? There should be a choice of either getting the vaccine or routine Covid testing for those that don't want to be vaccinated and to fire the very people (nurses, doctors, law enforcement, etc.) who worked through the pandemic when vaccines weren't available is a disgrace. In many cases there is a choice for routine testing. In the state of DE that’s the option. Vaxx or testing for state and federal employees. And likewise the private businesses that are requiring vaxx proof also allow for negative test proof. The issue is the right wing nut bags take it to the extreme and act like they’re losing all "Muh freedumbs.” They’re selfish **** that only care about themselves.
October 21, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Nevertheless, you will find that the progressives who frequent this thread want to do exactly that - fire those heroes that put themselves on the line at the beginning of the pandemic for refusing to take the vaccine. The heroes are the nurses, doctors, police officers, etc who are vaccinated and ready to put a foot in the ass of their idiotic colleagues that are prolonging the pandemic. It's the unvaccinated that are flooding the hospitals and causing the staff to burn out. The data is clear on this and only idiots would pretend to frame it in any other context.
October 21, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, Procus said: Clearly an unbiased source of information on par with NEJM, JAMA, IDSA etc etc... Just such a wild coincidence that all your sources cover from right wing wack jobs and their blogs/social media. I mean seriously what are the odds?
October 21, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Clearly an unbiased source of information on par with NEJM, JAMA, IDSA etc etc... Just such a wild coincidence that all your sources cover from right wing wack jobs and their blogs/social media. I mean seriously what are the odds? Typical progressive response - attack the messenger and not the message. He has no response to the message because it's on point. Would not want to get treated by this guy if I got sick.
October 21, 20214 yr 56 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: The argument isn't for their safety, it's for the safety of those around them. If it was just their risk to take then I would agree with you. It's not. It affects everyone around them. The vaccine reduces the risk of spread. And while those who are vaccinated have a reduced risk of severe disease, it does not eliminate it entirely particularly in high risk populations (see Colin Powell, see any pregnant woman). These people took a job with the end goal of increasing the safety and health of those around them. If they choose to take actions antithetical to that goal well then...bye. Ask Powell that worked out for him. It wasn't the untreated that killed him. It wasn't the lack of quality care. There is absolutely no proof this treatment prevents the spread of anything.
October 21, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Procus said: Typical progressive response - attack the messenger and not the message. He has no response to the message because it's on point. Would not want to get treated by this guy if I got sick. The message is nonsensical too. And sadly, no I would not give you any dewormer medication. Real shame that. If only I followed "JewsforTrump @Jewishdeplorable" then I'd be more up to date with the current medical data!
October 21, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, DEagle7 said: The message is nonsensical too. And sadly, no I would not give you any dewormer medication. Real shame that. If only I followed "JewsforTrump @Jewishdeplorable" then I'd be more up to date with the current medical data! Still fails to respond. Again, attacks a messenger. Twice now we see this quack fail to respond to the actual message. His progressive principles trump his hippocratic oath.
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