October 27, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: To some degree, but there's one rule that supersedes even Trump: if liberals are doing it, the cult can't do it. In the past, someone would have made a meme saying that if Democrats took a life-saving vaccine, Republicans would decline it as a hyperbolic example of how insanely stupid and anti-left (even at the expense of common sense and their own lives) the right is, but now that meme's a reality. The other cat let out of the bag, is that by supporting Alex Jones, et al, Trump made bat-crap crazy, tin-foil hat wearing, foaming the mouth, dipshittery, mainstream. Those people are out now. They like the attention. They like being heard and recognized. Look at Kz!
October 27, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, RPeeteRules said: This stat is true. Looks like 4 Chicago Police Department members died in 2020, all were of Covid. Three were in April, one in November. This is out of the 12,000+ members. Looking at 2021, 1 member of that department died so far, from gunfire. None died of Covid. That always seemed like a really strange own on police in the first place. Uh yeah, less cops are dying from gunshot wounds than Covid/heart attacks/cancer/etc. That's kind of to be expected, right? But ishlibs got a hold of the stat and freaked out with giddiness. Very strange.
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: The other cat let out of the bag, is that by supporting Alex Jones, et al, Trump made bat-crap crazy, tin-foil hat wearing, foaming the mouth, dipshittery, mainstream. Those people are out now. They like the attention. They like being heard and recognized. Look at Kz! Would you say they crave attention more than dudes who post bikini pictures of their daughter online or less?
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: That always seemed like a really strange own on police in the first place. Uh yeah, less cops are dying from gunshot wounds than Covid/heart attacks/cancer/etc. That's kind of to be expected, right? But ishlibs got a hold of the stat and freaked out with giddiness. Very strange. What a weird interpretation of a pretty straight forward issue. No one was trying to "own" the police. They were trying to get cops to take a life-saving vaccine. Cops take great steps to protect themselves in the line of duty. Vaccination is obviously an extension of that.
October 27, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: What a weird interpretation of a pretty straight forward issue. No one was trying to "own" the police. They were trying to get cops to take a life-saving vaccine. Cops take great steps to protect themselves in the line of duty. Vaccination is obviously an extension of that. Oh, yeah, if they want the vaccine they should definitely get it. If they don't, they shouldn't be forced into unemployment. Seems like a relatively straightforward issue.
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Oh, yeah, if they want the vaccine they should definitely get it. If they don't, they shouldn't be forced into unemployment. Seems like a relatively straightforward issue. Cops follow a lot of protocols in the name of public safety. If they're not willing to do their jobs properly then they're free to find a new job.
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Cops follow a lot of protocols in the name of public safety. If they're not willing to do their jobs properly then they're free to find a new job. Wow, sounds like you really care about their safety and well-being. The disturbing part is they think they're the good guys.
October 27, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Wow, sounds like you really care about their safety and well-being. The disturbing part is they think they're the good guys. Obviously, like everyone else that isn't as aggressively stupid as you are, I care about the public's safety and well-being first and foremost. That's the whole point of having cops. Much like I wouldn't want cops with open sores all over their bodies, not wipe their a** after they take a sheet or vomit blood on people in the streets, I expect cops to not, you know, intentionally spread diseases. I'm weird like that. If they're too terrible at their jobs to take basic hygienic precautions in the name of public safety (and their own) then they're free to either find a new profession or move to Florida where Desantis is making it rain taxpayer money in the name of stocking their police force with incompetent cops. 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Wow, sounds like you really care about their safety and well-being. The disturbing part is they think they're the good guys. Also, on an unrelated note, I'm fascinated by your use of pronouns here. "Their" is in reference to the police, obviously. But then you use "they" in reference to either me or just the general left (which obviously I represent as we all know). So, the second sentence is you talking to me in the third person? Or the second sentence isn't for me, it's for the group?
October 27, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Obviously, like everyone else that isn't as aggressively stupid as you are, I care about the public's safety and well-being first and foremost. That's the whole point of having cops. Much like I wouldn't want cops with open sores all over their bodies, not wipe their a** after they take a sheet or vomit blood on people in the streets, I expect cops to not, you know, intentionally spread diseases. I'm weird like that. If they're too terrible at their jobs to take basic hygienic precautions in the name of public safety (and their own) then they're free to either find a new profession or move to Florida where Desantis is making it rain taxpayer money in the name of stocking their police force with incompetent cops. And this couldn't be accomplished with testing? Assuming all the cops who oppose forced vaccinations are "incompetent" is also aggressively retarded.
October 27, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Kz! said: And this couldn't be accomplished with testing? Assuming all the cops who oppose forced vaccinations are "incompetent" is also aggressively retarded. Sure, we could do that, just like we could constantly test cops who don't wipe their a** after they take a sheet to make sure their loose fecal matter isn't spreading disease to the public, or we could all understand that if a cop is so unconcerned with the public safety, the safety of their fellow officers or even their own safety to take even the most basic hygienic precautions then they're completely unfit to be a police officer.
October 27, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Sure, we could do that, just like we could constantly test cops who don't wipe their a** after they take a sheet to make sure their loose fecal matter isn't spreading disease to the public, or we could all understand that if a cop is so unconcerned with the public safety, the safety of their fellow officers or even their own safety to take even the most basic hygienic precautions then they're completely unfit to be a police officer. Given that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread, testing is, obviously, the safest bet when protecting the general public and other officers. Again, taking pleasure in people losing their livelihoods because you perceive them to have different political opinions is pretty gross.
October 27, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: Given that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread, testing is, obviously, the safest bet when protecting the general public and other officers. Again, taking pleasure in people losing their livelihoods because you perceive them to have different political opinions is pretty gross. You just keep repeating this lie, no matter how many times it's proven false. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/trials-covid-vaccines-90-effective-against-delta-infection-death Quote In Israel, the Clalit Research Institute, in conjunction with Harvard University, conducted an observational study involving 130,464 COVID-19–naïve adolescents aged 12 to 18 years, half of whom were vaccinated with the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Jun 8 to Sep 14, 2021; matched participants were unvaccinated. During the study, 13,423 unvaccinated participants were vaccinated. Estimated effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against infection was 59% (95% confidence interval [CI], 52% to 65%) 14 to 20 days after the first dose, climbing to 66% (95% CI, 59% to 72%) on days 21 to 27 and 90% (95% CI, 88% to 92%) 7 to 21 days after the second dose. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 Quote People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant. British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant. Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.
October 27, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: You just keep repeating this lie, no matter how many times it's proven false. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/trials-covid-vaccines-90-effective-against-delta-infection-death https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 You understand what the word prevent means?
October 27, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: You understand what the word prevent means? apparently you do not. a reduction in transmission means it's preventing spread. it does not have to stop spread 100% for it to be considered preventative. again, we all know you're an idiot. you do not need to have to continuously assault us with your stupidity.
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: You understand what the word prevent means? Of course, but wait a minute....do you?
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: apparently you do not. a reduction in transmission means it's preventing spread. it does not have to stop spread 100% for it to be considered preventative. again, we all know you're an idiot. you do not need to have to continuously assault us with your stupidity. Hate to be a stickler here, but you don't know either. OK, so if we're going to quibble with basic definitions, let me be more clear. The vaccine doesn't stop all transmission and, obviously, testing is a much safer way to go if we're really attempting to limit the spread.
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: apparently you do not. a reduction in transmission means it's preventing spread. it does not have to stop spread 100% for it to be considered preventative. again, we all know you're an idiot. you do not need to have to continuously assault us with your stupidity. No one's this stupid. Surely he's just grasping at straws because he doesn't know what else to say....right?
October 27, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Hate to be a stickler here, but you don't know either. OK, so if we're going to quibble with basic definitions, let me be more clear. The vaccine doesn't stop all transmission and, obviously, testing is a much safer way to go if we're really attempting to limit the spread. Do you have an ishlib version of the definition?
October 27, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Hate to be a stickler here, but you don't know either. Holy sheet, you really are this stupid. That's like saying a bullet proof vest doesn't prevent you from getting shot. Or a seatbelt doesn't prevent you from flying through the windshield.
October 27, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Holy sheet, you really are this stupid. That's like saying a bullet proof vest doesn't prevent you from getting shot. Or a seatbelt doesn't prevent you from flying through the windshield. If you get shot while wearing a bullet proof vest, you’ve still been shot, you complete and utter moron. Holy ish 🤣😂🤣
October 27, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: If you get shot while wearing a bullet proof vest, you’ve still been shot, you complete and utter moron. Holy ish 🤣😂🤣 I knew since you were grasping at straws here, you'd grab that one too. "That's like saying a bullet proof vest doesn't prevent a bullet from piercing your skin" obviously is what I meant. But please, tell me again how the vaccine doesn't "prevent" infection or spread of the virus.
October 27, 20214 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: I knew since you were grasping at straws here, you'd grab that one too. "That's like saying a bullet proof vest doesn't prevent a bullet from piercing your skin" obviously is what I meant. But please, tell me again how the vaccine doesn't "prevent" infection or spread of the virus. The best part is you were actually making a very apt analogy for my argument without even realizing it. Just fantastic.
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