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The 2020 Corona Thread

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11 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

So - to sum up - your short answer is that you have no idea how many boosters it may take to secure immunity - and relating it to Hep B vaccines is a reach?

:lol:  You just got triggered by a reasonable comparison between two vaccines.  Who hurt you?

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17 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

So - to sum up - your short answer is that you have no idea how many boosters it may take to secure immunity - and relating it to Hep B vaccines is a reach?

It's a completely reasonable comparison.  If you can't follow basic medical discussions maybe just stick to Ben Garrison cartoons. Seems like more your pace. 

24 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

So - to sum up - your short answer is that you have no idea how many boosters it may take to secure immunity - and relating it to Hep B vaccines is a reach?

Does the idea of boosters in general usually get you angry and all worked up, or was it the the fact that someone explained the answer to your question so easily that upset you?

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Criminally underreported vaccine mandate protests taking place in NY right now:

 

57 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Wat? Did I touch a nerve? Did boosters bully you in grade school? Don't get a booster if you don't want one. Not now or in the future, for covid or anything else. Own the libs by gambling with your own health. That'll show them!

I'm pretty sure I touched the nerve little fellow.  Neither the disease progression, nor the infectious agents, nor the vaccines are remotely similar - so projecting number of boosters based on the immmune response to the HepB is premature at the very least.  To say otherwise would be disingenuous, no?

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

:lol:  You just got triggered by a reasonable comparison between two vaccines.  Who hurt you?

Not triggered - I just asked how he arrived at his quantum leap to conclusion.  

You libs are ultra sensitive - get out and get some fresh air Brother.

To be fair, Napoleon's vaccine predictions have been spot on so far. I remember around 6 months ago, I predicted the Covid vaccine would become similar to the yearly flu shot. Little dude corrected me with a book about why that would never happen and that some combination of the vaccine and natural immunity would stop it. Well, turns out we were both wrong. My yearly prediction was giving the long term efficacy of the vaccine wayyyy too much credit. 

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

To be fair, Napoleon's vaccine predictions have been spot on so far. I remember around 6 months ago, I predicted the Covid vaccine would become similar to the yearly flu shot. Little dude corrected me with a book about why that would never happen and that some combination of the vaccine and natural immunity would stop it. Well, turns out we were both wrong. My yearly prediction was giving the long term efficacy of the vaccine wayyyy too much credit. 

 

I've been saying for awhile now that COVID is most likely to become endemic. I've also said that, as long as we're able to manage the disease to keep it treatable and its case levels at predictable levels on a yearly and seasonal basis, that this is still a WIN. If that requires yearly shots/boosters, so be it. 

2 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

Not triggered - I just asked how he arrived at his quantum leap to conclusion.  

You libs are ultra sensitive - get out and get some fresh air Brother.

I can only guess that the Garrison cartoons hurt them as much as the F Biden or let's go Brandon chants. There was a lot of pent up aggression mixed in there. :roll: 

25 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

I'm pretty sure I touched the nerve little fellow.  Neither the disease progression, nor the infectious agents, nor the vaccines are remotely similar - so projecting number of boosters based on the immmune response to the HepB is premature at the very least.  To say otherwise would be disingenuous, no?

Maybe you need to read my posts again because my entire point all along is that we shouldn't project the number of boosters based on preconceived notions. My first post was saying to pump the brakes to those proclaiming we're gonna need boosters forever. You may think the lessons learned on scheduling and improvements in vaccine development are unique to the hep B vaccine history, but I have confidence covid vaccines will see similar improvements and lessons learned (which we've already seen with j&j). Pretending that I'm being premature, but not those complaining about forever boosters, is somehow not disingenuous to you, oddly enough.

4 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Morons...hope they like masks!

 

 

I’m pretty pro vaccine, but I’d hold off on children for a while. We don’t know the long term side effects of these vaccines and children have a near zero chance of death or severe illness from COVID.

Very small chance the vaccine causes some massive long term side effect but that’s not a chance you want to take with the entire child population of the US. It’s basically a black swan potentiality we can avoid with almost zero opportunity cost.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I’m pretty pro vaccine, but I’d hold off on children for a while. We don’t know the long term side effects of these vaccines and children have a near zero chance of death or severe illness from COVID.

Very small chance the vaccine causes some massive long term side effect but that’s not a chance you want to take with the entire child population of the US. It’s basically a black swan potentiality we can avoid.

Roughly 1 out of 100 kids with a covid infection require hospitalization for it. And the threat of long term effects from covid is the far bigger risk. This is a no brainer.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Roughly 1 out of 100 kids with a covid infection require hospitalization for it. And the threat of long term effects from covid is the far bigger risk. This is a no brainer.

We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Maybe you need to read my posts again because my entire point all along is that we shouldn't project the number of boosters based on preconceived notions. My first post was saying to pump the brakes to those proclaiming we're gonna need boosters forever. You may think the lessons learned on scheduling and improvements in vaccine development are unique to the hep B vaccine history, but I have confidence covid vaccines will see similar improvements and lessons learned (which we've already seen with j&j). Pretending that I'm being premature, but not those complaining about forever boosters, is somehow not disingenuous to you, oddly enough.

Fair enough.  

1 minute ago, TEW said:

We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive.

Most of the adults that are going to get vaccinated already are.  We have almost a year's worth of studying mass vaccinations on adults and up to this point, it's been overwhelmingly safe.   We also have around a year a half since the first test subjects were vaccinated, so we have a slightly longer timeline there.  I'm not bullish on getting my kids vaccinated, I'm going to wait a month or two, but all the evidence points to the long-term effects of Covid being a significantly greater concern than the vaccine.

21 minutes ago, TEW said:

We don’t know that, which is precisely the problem. I’d say get the adult population vaccinated so we can study the long term effects in rolling age group ranges. As we get more data we can be more aggressive.

We have a pretty damn good idea. The track record of long term effects from a vaccine evading detection but then somehow popping up 4 months later or longer is basically zero. We ran the trials, we saw the results, the safety profile was really good, and that's why it was a slam dunk for the advisory panel to approve it unanimously (one abstained to vote). Meanwhile, we have data on long covid in kids, and while it's rare, it's already occurring far more often than any adverse events observed in the trials, or even in real world data for any adjacent cohorts (12-15, 16-25, etc).

Basically you can pick any cohort, and the risk for any vaccine related adverse events are much higher in those who recovered from natural infection vs those who were vaccinated. I understand the psychological effects of making that choice for your child that might be concerning, but based on the math alone, it's not even close to being a difficult choice. 

7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Most of the adults that are going to get vaccinated already are.  We have almost a year's worth of studying mass vaccinations on adults and up to this point, it's been overwhelmingly safe.   We also have around a year a half since the first test subjects were vaccinated, so we have a slightly longer timeline there.  I'm not bullish on getting my kids vaccinated, I'm going to wait a month or two, but all the evidence points to the long-term effects of Covid being a significantly greater concern than the vaccine.

But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway.

Anyone else think it's kinda weird that this vaccine gets approved, and the first thing these antivaxxers are apparently thinking is, "But what about my life 5-year-old's fertility?!?" :wacko:

 

Just now, TEW said:

But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway.

I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

I'm not sure what black swan side effect you think will be a greater risk than Covid to a child but doesn't materialize for years.

He is worse than KZ, don't even bother

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

But a year is not nearly enough time to draw conclusions about long term effects. That’s the problem. And if there is some black swan side effect, you’ve inflicted that on the entire youth of the country. You’ll have to wait an entire generation to get out from under it. It’s not worth the risk IMO for a population that’s going to have very little chance of death or severe illness from the virus anyway.

This is science fiction. If you want to make this argument, you'd be much better off using Merck's new pill since its mechanism of action is potentially mutagenic, but there's no plausible scenario where these vaccines have a greater risk of inflicting this level of damage compared to the actual virus that has literally already shown signs of doing so. 

3 hours ago, Boogyman said:

Wow. You really are this dumb, huh? It's not all just an act? 

You are my role model!

18 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Natural immunity. No one wants to be within 6 feet of you.

I have better aim than that

16 hours ago, vikas83 said:

And we all remain terribly disappointed by that fact. 

I'm certain of that

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