32 minutes ago, Procus said:

Last I checked, Florida had some of the lowest taxes in the country - with no income tax.

Interesting defense of socialism.

46 minutes ago, Procus said:

Last I checked, Florida had some of the lowest taxes in the country - with no income tax.

Are you saying it's completely free and literally nobody is paying the bill? Kind of a weird take but cool.

3 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Are you saying it's completely free and literally nobody is paying the bill? Kind of a weird take but cool.

What a weirdo you are.  The government is providing free access to Regeneron to people who are infected.  There are no income taxes in this state, but the budget is balanced from revenues from other sources likes sales taxes.  All of a sudden you people are pretending to be fiscal conservatives.  What a joke. 

18 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Interesting defense of socialism.

I guess if you label it socialism, that makes it bad, right?

Just now, Procus said:

What a weirdo you are.  The government is providing free access to Regeneron.  There are no income taxes in this state.  All of a sudden you people are pretending to be fiscal conservatives.  What a joke. 

There are still taxes and budgets though, you dope. The state doesn't run without money. 

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

There are still taxes and budgets though, you dope. The state doesn't run without money. 

Please explain more about the nuances of public finance.  Chatting with you is just such an education.

13 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

New Coronavirus Variant a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

The new variant is likely to have evolved during a chronic infection of an immuno-compromised person, possibly in an untreated HIV/AIDS patient, Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute, said in a statement published by the Science Media Centre. The world’s biggest number of HIV cases has complicated South Africa’s efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic, as immuno-compromised people can harbor the virus for longer, scientists say.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-25/who-meets-on-new-covid-19-variant-circulating-in-south-africa

Follow this person on twitter, you will realize the scary variant stories coming out of the media are garbage

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout

 

5 hours ago, Procus said:

Please explain more about the nuances of public finance.  Chatting with you is just such an education.

Listen, just be happy anyone engages with the drivel you post at all. Begging for attention is a bad look.

14 hours ago, lynched1 said:

 

It’s soccer. They get stretchered off for getting breathed on. 

On 11/25/2021 at 9:10 AM, DaEagles4Life said:

New Coronavirus Variant a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

The new variant is likely to have evolved during a chronic infection of an immuno-compromised person, possibly in an untreated HIV/AIDS patient, Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute, said in a statement published by the Science Media Centre. The world’s biggest number of HIV cases has complicated South Africa’s efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic, as immuno-compromised people can harbor the virus for longer, scientists say.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-25/who-meets-on-new-covid-19-variant-circulating-in-south-africa

Omicron, now officially listed as a VOC, for a total of 5, and the first shown to be able to outcompete Delta. 

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Omicron, now officially listed as a VOC, for a total of 5, and the first shown to be able to outcompete Delta. 

Dont know if rolling up that sleeve is gonna do it this time. 

5 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Dont know if rolling up that sleeve is gonna do it this time. 

There is no evidence vaccines do not work

 

Xenophobia for me but not for thee.......

President Joe Biden has imposed  travel restrictions into the United States due to coronavirus fears despite previously slamming former President Trump as xenophobic for doing the same thing in 2020.

11 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

There is no evidence vaccines do not work

Not much proof of them working either. 

The preliminary report revealed all four [patients] had been previously vaccinated for COVID-19.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Omicron, now officially listed as a VOC, for a total of 5, and the first shown to be able to outcompete Delta. 

 

12 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

 

Xenophobia for me but not for thee.......

President Joe Biden has imposed  travel restrictions into the United States due to coronavirus fears despite previously slamming former President Trump as xenophobic for doing the same thing in 2020.

Not much proof of them working either. 

The preliminary report revealed all four [patients] had been previously vaccinated for COVID-19.

Travel restrictions are pointless. New variant already here most likely

If current vaccines do not work it is a complete disaster. Moderna is saying 60-90 days just before testing then it will take many more months just to get the same number of people vaccinated. That said there is no evidence vaccines are ineffective 

9 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

If current vaccines do not work it is a complete disaster. Moderna is saying 60-90 days just before testing then it will take many more months just to get the same number of people vaccinated. That said there is no evidence vaccines are ineffective 

In vitro testing should give us results in 10-14 days to see if nAbs elicited by current vaccines can bind and neutralize this variant. If not, it's roughly a 3-month process to develop and trial a targeted booster using the sequence from this variant. This is where the mRNA platform gives us an advantage in the cat and mouse game. Let's hope it never comes to that though.

As for Gottlieb's comments, at worst he's implying that those with natural immunity from a Delta infection can be reinfected with this variant, possibly those who've been vaccinated too. At best, he's saying it's just pure luck that this happened to emerge just as Delta was fading. The latter scenario is possible due to founder effect, but I don't see that as likely given all other variants that had been successfully stomped out by Delta until this one came along. It's presumably already been seeded in Israel and Belgium now so we'll know more in about a week.

1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

There is no evidence vaccines do not work

Depends what you’re claiming the "work” is.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Depends what you’re claiming the "work” is.

Personal observations are that it's subjective. Only ones missing work so far are the vaccinated.

Now, weeks later, the New England Journal of Medicine is suggesting a similar situation.  The spike proteins produced by the COVID-19 vaccines may lead to myocarditis and neurological concerns.

4 hours ago, DBW said:

It’s soccer. They get stretchered off for getting breathed on. 

They are better conditioned than most US athletes. And while trying to draw penalties through fouls is definitely a bad part of the game, these non contact incidents are involving heart and respiratory issues. Incidents are way up to the point where star players are collapsing on the field and data scientists are becoming concerned.

That latest incident happened in the biggest club competition in the world against the most famous sports team in the world. It would be like if someone collapsed in the NBA playoffs against the Lakers or in the MLB playoffs against the Yankees and if it happened after lots of players had collapsed including a few globally recognized stars.

This is the fear no one wants to talk about:

 

9 minutes ago, TEW said:

They are better conditioned than most US athletes. And while trying to draw penalties through fouls is definitely a bad part of the game, these non contact incidents are involving heart and respiratory issues. Incidents are way up to the point where star players are collapsing on the field and data scientists are becoming concerned.

That latest incident happened in the biggest club competition in the world against the most famous sports team in the world. It would be like if someone collapsed in the NBA playoffs against the Lakers or in the MLB playoffs against the Yankees and if it happened after lots of players had collapsed including a few globally recognized stars.

This is the fear no one wants to talk about:

 

More likely related to an asymptomatic covid infection, or a previously undiagnosed heart condition, than from a recently administered vaccine. 

But if you'd rather believe Alex Berenson's take, then by all means go for it. 

15 minutes ago, TEW said:

They are better conditioned than most US athletes. And while trying to draw penalties through fouls is definitely a bad part of the game, these non contact incidents are involving heart and respiratory issues. Incidents are way up to the point where star players are collapsing on the field and data scientists are becoming concerned.

That latest incident happened in the biggest club competition in the world against the most famous sports team in the world. It would be like if someone collapsed in the NBA playoffs against the Lakers or in the MLB playoffs against the Yankees and if it happened after lots of players had collapsed including a few globally recognized stars.

This is the fear no one wants to talk about:

 

None of the 3 recent soccer incidents this week/month has been directly related to Covid vaccination or myocarditis. They haven’t even said that’s what it was in any of the ones recently.  But you wanna believe some Twatter doc, go for it.  

24 minutes ago, DBW said:

None of the 3 recent soccer incidents this week/month has been directly related to Covid vaccination or myocarditis. They haven’t even said that’s what it was in any of the ones recently.  But you wanna believe some Twatter doc, go for it.  

 

52 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Now, weeks later, the New England Journal of Medicine is suggesting a similar situation.  The spike proteins produced by the COVID-19 vaccines may lead to myocarditis and neurological concerns.

Twatter........👌

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

In vitro testing should give us results in 10-14 days to see if nAbs elicited by current vaccines can bind and neutralize this variant. If not, it's roughly a 3-month process to develop and trial a targeted booster using the sequence from this variant. This is where the mRNA platform gives us an advantage in the cat and mouse game. Let's hope it never comes to that though.

As for Gottlieb's comments, at worst he's implying that those with natural immunity from a Delta infection can be reinfected with this variant, possibly those who've been vaccinated too. At best, he's saying it's just pure luck that this happened to emerge just as Delta was fading. The latter scenario is possible due to founder effect, but I don't see that as likely given all other variants that had been successfully stomped out by Delta until this one came along. It's presumably already been seeded in Israel and Belgium now so we'll know more in about a week.

Reading some of the people he quoted, it does not look good