6 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Just an fyi, ate Thanksgiving dinner with my sister last night. She does marketing for the NIH, lives in Alexandria, VA, and is dialed in with that whole crowd. She’s a blue dog liberal Democrat, thoroughly brainwashed at the University of North Carolina, and even she is adamant that the Federal mandate is unconstitutional, and will be thrown out by the courts. Says it’s common knowledge up there, and the whole idea was just to threaten as long as they can to get as many people vaccinated as possible before it’s tossed.  So there you have it.

 

So you’re sister is a qAtard?  

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Do seatbelts prevent deaths? 

They keep the body contained within the vehicle most of the time.

2 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Your posting betrays you. You flatter me.

There is no proof of that.

Im not the one changing the definition when the treatment failed to fit the definition of a vaccine.

 

It didn’t and doesn’t fail to fit the definition. You’re failing to acknowledge the facts.  Big difference. You can’t want it to not be true, but wanting doesn’t make it so. 

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Do seatbelts prevent deaths? 

Seatbelts, guards on a chainsaw, railings near the cliff of the Grand Canyon, the label on bleach that says not for consumption…..all of these things are safety mechanisms.  Like the vaccine, They won’t prevent death in 100% of the cases, but I can’t find anyone that would willingly drink bleach, run off the edge of the Grand Canyon, juggle a chainsaw, or even drive without their seat belt.  It’s amazing how the freedums only apply to things you’d never do anyway but not to Covid when you really can’t Avoid it at this point. 

11 hours ago, TEW said:

No.

Then by this logic, neither do air bags or crumple zones, and while we're at it, I guess birth control and condoms don't prevent pregnancies. Shoot, I'm not sure why we even have the word in our lexicon, because if something doesn't prevent an outcome 100% of the time, then we can't technically classify it as prevention. Ya, that makes perfect sense, good call.

12 minutes ago, DBW said:

So you’re sister is a qAtard?  

Wtf is wrong with you? 

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Then by this logic, neither do air bags or crumple zones, and while we're at it, I guess birth control and condoms don't prevent pregnancies. Shoot, I'm not sure why we even have the word in our lexicon, because if something doesn't prevent an outcome 100% of the time, then we can't technically clarify it as prevention. Ya, that makes perfect sense, good call.

If it weren’t the the firmament, We would all float away.  

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

Who have I straw manned?

There is no significant number of people claiming vaccines prevent infection or transmission. Hell by a WIDE margin there are more people arguing that they don't reduce death, infection, and transmission so by that logic they "work" a helluva lot better than they say.  

But yes, the vaccines don't "work" in a way that no one is arguing they do and that no other vaccine works. They do however reduce risk death, hospitalization, community spread and transmission, again like every other vaccine available.

That is a very clear example of a straw-man argument. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Then by this logic, neither do air bags or crumple zones, and while we're at it, I guess birth control and condoms don't prevent pregnancies. Shoot, I'm not sure why we even have the word in our lexicon, because if something doesn't prevent an outcome 100% of the time, then we can't technically clarify it as prevention. Ya, that makes perfect sense, good call.

Hey, if you want to use the word loosely, that's fine, but I was using it in the strict sense of the word because there are people who think the vaccine literally prevents death, infection, transmission, etc.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

There is no significant number of people claiming vaccines prevent infection or transmission. Hell by a WIDE margin there are more people arguing that they don't reduce death, infection, and transmission so by that logic they "work" a helluva lot better than they say.  

But yes, the vaccines don't "work" in a way that no one is arguing they do and that no other vaccine works. They do however reduce risk death, hospitalization, community spread and transmission, again like every other vaccine available.

That is a very clear example of a straw-man argument. 

You're a doctor if I remember correctly, right? I'd suggest that your personal social circle is biasing your view of the broader social body.

Just now, TEW said:

Hey, if you want to use the word loosely, that's fine, but I was using it in the strict sense of the word because there are people who think the vaccine literally prevents death, infection, transmission, etc.

Because it literally does, in at least 95% of instances. You are literally too stupid to insult. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Because it literally does, in at least 95% of instances. You are literally too stupid to insult. 

No, it does not literally prevent death. It literally reduces your chances of death.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You are literally too stupid to insult. 

That's what you're still going with?

Just because no one understands your desire to lick the windows doesnt make you the smart one.

9 minutes ago, TEW said:

Hey, if you want to use the word loosely, that's fine, but I was using it in the strict sense of the word because there are people who think the vaccine literally prevents death, infection, transmission, etc.

So you pick this time to be literal when half the stuff you post is anything but?

33 minutes ago, TEW said:

You're a doctor if I remember correctly, right? I'd suggest that your personal social circle is biasing your view of the broader social body.

Yeah I am slightly disadvantaged here in having friends and colleagues who know what the hell they're talking about.

OK then how about we do this, point to one person on this board who has claimed they completely prevent spread.  One. You've got all sorts of loonies here and in the blog posting craziness all the time about COVID. Shouldn't be that hard to find just one example.

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

No, it does not literally prevent death. It literally reduces your chances of death.

There are absolutely infected people who would've died had they not been vaccinated. For them, the vaccine literally prevented their death. Same with people surviving accidents thanks to seatbelts. You're a moron of epic proportions.

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

You're a doctor if I remember correctly, right? I'd suggest that your personal social circle is biasing your view of the broader social body.

Doctors tend to surround themselves with smart people.  I’d trust D7 before I trust your Twatter sources who surround themselves with millions of mindless twats. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There are absolutely infected people who would've died had they not been vaccinated. For them, the vaccine literally prevented their death. You're a moron of epic proportions.

He’s from the 1+1=5  crowd for sure.  

20 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Wtf is wrong with you? 

You’re asking the wrong person this question.

1 minute ago, DBW said:

He’s from the 1+1=5  crowd for sure.  

No, I'm from the 95% does not equal 100% crowd.

 

13 minutes ago, TEW said:

No, I'm from the 95% does not equal 100% crowd.

 

Nobody has claimed vaccines prevent death literally 100% of the time, you gin-soaked dumb ass. Seriously, how brain damaged can you be to claim the implication of the term is prevention in literally 100% of cases and then at the same time pretend it's not a straw man. Good lord, hopefully someone can stage an intervention on your behalf to "prevent" any more brain cells from being obliterated by the alcohol.

19 minutes ago, DBW said:

You’re asking the wrong person this question.

I see, you’re 9. Go back to the kids table. The adults are talking.

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There are absolutely infected people who would've died had they not been vaccinated. For them, the vaccine literally prevented their death. Same with people surviving accidents thanks to seatbelts. You're a moron of epic proportions.

Pretty sure my mother is one of them.

12 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I see, you’re 9. Go back to the kids table. The adults are talking.

Pretty sure my mother is one of them.

I’m plenty old don’t worry. The issue is your sister is buying some far right wing conspiracy BS and you didn’t call her out on it.  Which is shocking quite honestly given your stance and the above where you ref your mother.  Call that girl out for her nonsense.  

13 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I see, you’re 9. Go back to the kids table. The adults are talking.

Pretty sure my mother is one of them.

Glad to hear, zuke, hope she's doing okay now. 

8 minutes ago, DBW said:

I’m plenty old don’t worry. 

Get vaccinated. You old people are at risk of dying.