1 hour ago, Procus said:

Snopes

 

On 10/5/2021 at 11:37 AM, Procus said:

  What happens is that when you make a point that can't be refuted, the progressive participants in the thread resort to personal attacks and ridicule or attacks on the source of the information.  I mean we are on the EMB, so decorum is correctly disregarded by the members here given the forum.

 

 

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/illinois-family-credits-ivermectin-with-saving-life-of-father-hospitalized-with-covid-19

Illinois family credits Ivermectin with saving life of father hospitalized with COVID-19

NAPERVILLE, Ill. - An Illinois family whose loved one was "desperately ill" and hospitalized earlier this month with COVID-19 says he's now home and doing well after a judge had to order a Naperville hospital to treat him with Ivermectin.

Hot off my very own meme press:

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fitness-enthusiast-who-died-of-covid-didnt-want-to-be-guinea-pig-with-vaccine/ar-AARlysF?li=BBnb7Kz

British fitness enthusiast John Eyers, who died of COVID-19, didn't want to get vaccinated, in part because he considered it an experiment, but he paid the "ultimate price" for a "bad decision," according to his sister.

Before he was hospitalized, Eyers, 42, had no known preexisting conditions, climbed mountains and competed in triathlons. The 42-year-old's family believes he would have survived COVID-19 if he'd been vaccinated, and his twin sister, Jenny McCann, said the family got into an argument about inoculations about a month and a half before he died.

"John started saying really crazy things that didn't make sense," McCann told The Guardian. "About how people were only getting the vaccine for free McDonald's, and there was formaldehyde in it.... He kept saying: 'I won't be a guinea pig.'"

 

damn...the rona got what appears to be a guy with just one chin.    thoughts & prayers go out to his family.  

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Procus said:

I may be a lot of things - dumb sure ain't one of them.

And if your avatar ain't a piece of toast, it is very strange whatever it is.  Guess the apple don't fall far from the tree.

 

 

That looks like toast? Either you are dumb (and don't know it) or you eat really Fed up bread.

Really good, interesting piece out from Marko Kolanovic at JP Morgan.

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Market and Volatility Commentary What if "Nu" variant Omicron ends up positive for risk?
Over the last several days markets have been in turmoil over the new COVID variant Omicron. However, data on Omicron is sparse, information contradictory, and some media has been exaggerating risks and highlighting worst case scenarios. South African health officials are not nearly as alarmed and are reporting predominantly mild cases (here). The WHO is fairly neutral (here). Current data does not appear alarming as of this time – South African cases are near the pandemic average (49 th percentile), and COVID fatalities are near the bottom (4th percentile) – a fairly favorable situation relative to past 2 years (and significantly better than the rest of the world where the cases are in the 64th , and deaths in the 17th percentile). What was the timeline and how did the market react on the Omicron variant? Despite Omicron being around for several weeks, a media blitz happened on Thanksgiving evening, one of the lowest points of market liquidity for the whole year, prompting a crash in various assets sensitive to global growth and recovery such as Oil. A second blow to markets was delivered shortly after, also in the middle of night in the U.S. (Monday midnight), with the Moderna story (here) that was later largely invalidated by reports from Pfizer, Oxford, the WHO, and the Israeli Health Ministry (here, here, here). Many clients have told us they are not worried about Omicron itself, but the reaction of governments. For example, currently flights are restricted from several African countries that don’t have Omicron, while on the other hand, flights are not restricted from European countries that have cases, and similar apparent inconsistencies. Another source of confusion comes from assessments of Omicron’s transmissibility. Broadly circulated claims that the new variant is 500 times more infectious than Delta (here) seem implausible. For instance, assume that R0 for Delta is 4, so Omicron would have an R0 of 2,000, meaning one infected person should result in 2,000 new infections? This is highly unlikely when on average an individual has 16 daily contacts (here), and, by that math, the whole world would have been already infected in less than a week (i.e., 3 cycles would result in 20003 = 8Bn infections). This figure came from extrapolating transmissibility from relative spread of Delta and Omicron, but not accounting for the fact that Delta is being spread in significant part via breakthrough infections in a significantly immune population (e.g., via vaccines or recovery). In simple terms, when older variants are spreading via breakthrough infections, new variants will always appear to be significantly more transmissible than older ones. This was explained in work by Gabriela Gomes (e.g., see here). While it is likely that Omicron is more transmissible, early reports suggest it may also be less deadly – which would fit into the pattern of virus evolution observed historically. Should these trends be confirmed in the coming weeks, could the Omicron variant ultimately prove to be a positive for risk markets, in the sense that it could accelerate the end of the pandemic? If a less severe and more transmissible virus quickly crowds out more severe variants, could the Omicron variant be a catalyst to transform a deadly pandemic into something more similar to seasonal flu? That development would fit with historical patterns (duration and number of waves) of previous respiratory virus pandemics, especially given the broad availability of vaccines and new therapeutics that are expected to work on all known variants (Pfizer, Merck). If the market were to anticipate that scenario – Omicron could be a catalyst for steepening (not flattening) the yield curve, rotation from growth to value, selloff in COVID and lockdown beneficiaries and rally in reopening themes. Also, if that scenario were to happen, instead of skipping two letters and naming it Omicron, the WHO could have skipped all the way to Omega. As such, we view the recent selloff in these segments as an opportunity to buy the dip in cyclicals, commodities and reopening themes, and to position for higher bond yields and steepening

 

 

14 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

damn...the rona got what appears to be a guy with just one chin.    thoughts & prayers go out to his family.  

 

 

 

Damn - now we're recycling news stories from July to ramp up the fear heading into the holiday season.  

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Really good, interesting piece out from Marko Kolanovic at JP Morgan.

 

I'm buying the dip. 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Broadly circulated claims that the new variant is 500 times more infectious than Delta (here) seem implausible. For instance, assume that R0 for Delta is 4, so Omicron would have an R0 of 2,000, meaning one infected person should result in 2,000 new infections?

Uh what? Where is he getting "broadly circulated" claims that three variant is 500x more contagious than Delta?

2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Damn - now we're recycling news stories from July to ramp up the fear heading into the holiday season.  

yes.

3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Damn - now we're recycling news stories from July to ramp up the fear heading into the holiday season.  

That scared you?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Uh what? Where is he getting "broadly circulated" claims that three variant is 500x more contagious than Delta?

That seriously was making the rounds on Wall Street desks last week

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

That scared you?

Yes, that's exactly what I said you Fing nitwit

Just now, vikas83 said:

That seriously was making the rounds on Wall Street desks last week

For real? From what sources, TikTok influencers? 

19 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

 

That looks like toast? Either you are dumb (and don't know it) or you eat really Fed up bread.

What is it? A snapping turtle? Your ex wife? What?

Gotlieb is retweeting from others possible RT OF 2

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

What is it? A snapping turtle? Your ex wife? What?

Have you, at any time, confused it with a piece of toast?

 

Horace is a statue my sister made and gave to me. Another sister stole it from me. Her daughter stole it from her.

 

I may reclaim him some day.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

Have you, at any time, confused it with a piece of toast?

Nope. So what is it?

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

For real? From what sources, TikTok influencers? 

Dude, the crap that makes the rounds on trading desks comes from anywhere, everywhere and nowhere. The rumor mill is amazing.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Nope. So what is it?

See the post above your question.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

See the post above your question.

Nice 

2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Gotlieb is retweeting from others possible RT OF 2

Yes but that's just effective reproduction which is easily confounded and doesn't tell us much about potential to evade immunity. Good thread, but this specific tweet shows a good chart demonstrating the link between transmissibility and immune escape ability. 

 

3 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Have you, at any time, confused it with a piece of toast?

 

Horace is a statue my sister made and gave to me. Another sister stole it from me. Her daughter stole it from her.

 

I may reclaim him some day.

just your average, run of the mill family heirloom.   

 

 

 

if you're the f'n munsters!