4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

It was a joke. Was that really not clear?

I'm late to the thread. I missed it. 

2 minutes ago, toolg said:

I'm late to the thread. I missed it. 

It's pretty obvious J&J doesn't stand up to the mRNA vaccines. 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Yeah, I think we're going to have to get more serious about the level of testing we're using if we're really gonna clamp down on this during the winter

Not if it turns out the the new variant only results in mild cases which is where things are pointing at the moment (subject to change of course).

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Not if it turns out the the new variant only results in mild cases which is where things are pointing at the moment (subject to change of course).

 

I do think that a variant that proves to be more transmissible but less virulent could be a blessing in disguise that helps us reach herd immunity. In any case, more accurate testing procedures would be an improvement.

Sputnik vaccine is better than all American made ones.

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I do think that a variant that proves to be more transmissible but less virulent could be a blessing in disguise that helps us reach herd immunity. In any case, more accurate testing procedures would be an improvement.

that's when it's time to start throwing omicron parties like the chickenpox parties back in the day. 

Reminder that if it's much more transmissible, it needs to both be less virulent by a larger measure and also confer immunity against delta for this to be considered an overall improvement in our situation. Currently we're seeing hospitalizations spike in Gauteng similar to rates seen to previous waves, so the net risk may not be any lower based on the limited data we have so far.

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I do think that a variant that proves to be more transmissible but less virulent could be a blessing in disguise that helps us reach herd immunity. In any case, more accurate testing procedures would be an improvement.

Yes, better accuracy is good.  Things can get strange with the testing levels though in terms of how to use the results.  Over here we just had a big spike in the number of positive cases and of course the media ran with that to start.  Clearer heads then pointed out that the level of testing just spiked because the testing guidelines had changed and meant significantly more people were being tested.  It turned out the rate of positive tests had actually decreased over the same two week span which saw the spike in the confirmed cases.

Overall it does look like we are trending up a bit for hospitalized patients.  Nothing major but a mini upward trend over the last two weeks. Going to be interesting to see what this new variant does.

19 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Sputnik vaccine is better than all American made ones.

 

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

my wife's employer, also private, actually supplies their entire workforce with at-home saliva test kits that they submit each week and requires vaccinations for all employees. 

With all the concern about Covid, you would think the first thing the authorities would do is promote frequent at home testing at will by anyone who wants to do so. 

21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Overall it does look like we are trending up a bit for hospitalized patients.  Nothing major but a mini upward trend over the last two weeks. Going to be interesting to see what this new variant does.

I would imagine that in Sweden, this time of the year there would typically be an uptick in hospitalized patients with viral infections like the flu.  Wonder how this year's numbers compare to historical averages for early December. 

Imagine that - Pfizer doesn't want the vaccine distributed in countries where the manufacturer is not shielded from civil liability.  Why is that?

 

35 minutes ago, Procus said:

I would imagine that in Sweden, this time of the year there would typically be an uptick in hospitalized patients with viral infections like the flu.  Wonder how this year's numbers compare to historical averages for early December. 

Don't know but we've had a ton of colds and flu and kids have been hit hard with that.  The light year last year for the normal stuff due to the pandemic is causing more trouble this year as one would expect.

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

that's when it's time to start throwing omicron parties like the chickenpox parties back in the day. 

I think we need to revisit the wisdom of those chickenpox parties... Does it result in more shingles cases later in life?

42 minutes ago, Procus said:

With all the concern about Covid, you would think the first thing the authorities would do is promote frequent at home testing at will by anyone who wants to do so. 

Good thing President Biden is working on that. 

 

I have a very vague recollection of having chickenpox as a kid, but don't remember feeling particularly crappy.  I hear shingles suck major ass though.

4 minutes ago, toolg said:

I think we need to revisit the wisdom of those chickenpox parties... Does it result in more shingles cases later in life?

He's referring to stuff prior to the varicella vaccine, like when we were kids. Anyone doing it now is legitimately stupid. My kids got the vaccine, so they'll never get chicken pox and thus also never get shingles and won't need the shingles vaccine.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

With all the concern about Covid, you would think the first thing the authorities would do is promote frequent at home testing at will by anyone who wants to do so. 

Probably cost prohibitive.

The wife's employer is comfortably able to accommodate this. I'd imagine many other employers would have difficulty.

33 minutes ago, Procus said:

Imagine that - Pfizer doesn't want the vaccine distributed in countries where the manufacturer is not shielded from civil liability.  Why is that?

with the "vaccine skeptical" more than willing to attribute every medical malady suffered by individuals after vaccination it's not surprising.

somebody here posted a claim that "irritable infants" were attributable to breast milk from vaccinated mothers.

36 minutes ago, Procus said:

Imagine that - Pfizer doesn't want the vaccine distributed in countries where the manufacturer is not shielded from civil liability.  Why is that?

 

It's probably due to people such as yourself and the rest of you Qanon idiots.

36 minutes ago, toolg said:

Good thing President Biden is working on that. 

 

I credit the administration for that.  Hopefully there won't be too much red tape with insurance.

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

 

28 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

with the "vaccine skeptical" more than willing to attribute every medical malady suffered by individuals after vaccination it's not surprising.

somebody here posted a claim that "irritable infants" were attributable to breast milk from vaccinated mothers.

My daughter is very pleasant and only drinks formula.  I'm not sure what more proof you need.

33 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

with the "vaccine skeptical" more than willing to attribute every medical malady suffered by individuals after vaccination it's not surprising.

somebody here posted a claim that "irritable infants" were attributable to breast milk from vaccinated mothers.

Have you heard about all the soccer players with heart problems?!

But if you ask them, the trumpbots posting about the athletes collapsing aren't even saying it's caused by the vaccine, not because they're not anti-vax, but because they're "just asking questions."