January 4, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Quote some posts, I have no idea what you two dingleberries are talking about. It was on MSNBC last week, KZ I think posted a short vid of it
January 4, 20224 yr I just got off a zoom call with a coworker who has omicron. She had the original covid in 2020. She is vaccinated, can't remember if she said she is boosted. Looks like a really bad flu and she said that's how she feels. Very achy she said. Still not something I want. 13 new cases in my kids' school this week.
January 4, 20224 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: It was on MSNBC last week, KZ I think posted a short vid of it No, I want you to quote the post that Kz claims I need to apologize to you for. The only argument I recall having with you was when you incorrectly claimed gunshot victims are listed as covid deaths if they tested positive. I think both of you are confusing that conversation with hospitalizations, or are confusing me with someone else.
January 4, 20224 yr 7 hours ago, Toastrel said: I have to am dumber stuff down for than most of you people. Fixed
January 4, 20224 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: No, I want you to quote the post that Kz claims I need to apologize to you for. The only argument I recall having with you was when you incorrectly claimed gunshot victims are listed as covid deaths if they tested positive. I think both of you are confusing that conversation with hospitalizations, or are confusing me with someone else. Not an incorrect claim, What part of Fauci was on TV last week saying almost exactly the same thing except he used broken leg as an example do you not understand? I couldn't care less if you believe it or not. I don'lt need to quote any post from last week to make it true, you are free to look for yourself. I am busy today I only responded about this because I was mentioned, goodbye
January 4, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Not an incorrect claim, What part of Fauci was on TV last week saying almost exactly the same thing except he used broken leg as an example do you not understand? I couldn't care less if you believe it or not. I don'lt need to quote any post from last week to make it true, you are free to look for yourself. I am busy today I only responded about this because I was mentioned, goodbye Yes it is an incorrect claim. Fauci has never said anything remotely resembling your argument that covid deaths include gunshot or car crash victims. And you won't quote the posts because you know you're wrong. The argument was about deaths, not hospitalizations.
January 4, 20224 yr 16 minutes ago, Kz! said: Except if you are admitted to the hospital you are automatically tested for coronavirus. What we're just now finding out nearly two years after the fact is that everyone admitted to the hospital for any reason who tests positive for coronavirus is added to the "covid hospitalization" list. So, yes, people who broke their legs in a car crash are tested for coronavirus and if they test positive, they're added to the "covid hospitalization" list regardless of whether or not they have symptoms. It's incredibly flawed since we've been using that data to make policy decisions. Right but that doesn’t make it a purposeful fudging of numbers that the conspiracy theory suggests. And if you go to look at the reporting, they split the hospitalization numbers into severe/icu and mild cases. So there shouldn’t be any question of how severe the issue is. I’m willing to bet that there are a great number of people out there with significant symptoms that aren’t even going to the hospital. My wife had to visit urgent care (not for Covid) and there were 50 people in line for Covid testing and complications. At this point, the number of hospitalizations down but it could probably be way higher if people actually went to the hospital. They arent going because they’re being told they’re over run and there’s no room. in any case, changing "from” to "with” in my opinion won’t do anything to the overall numbers and certainly won’t impact the capacity of a hospital. You’re there, with or from, doesn’t matter, you’re taking up a bed.
January 4, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, DBW said: Right but that doesn’t make it a purposeful fudging of numbers that the conspiracy theory suggests. And if you go to look at the reporting, they split the hospitalization numbers into severe/icu and mild cases. So there shouldn’t be any question of how severe the issue is. I’m willing to bet that there are a great number of people out there with significant symptoms that aren’t even going to the hospital. My wife had to visit urgent care (not for Covid) and there were 50 people in line for Covid testing and complications. At this point, the number of hospitalizations down but it could probably be way higher if people actually went to the hospital. They arent going because they’re being told they’re over run and there’s no room. in any case, changing "from” to "with” in my opinion won’t do anything to the overall numbers and certainly won’t impact the capacity of a hospital. You’re there, with or from, doesn’t matter, you’re taking up a bed. It's a purposeful misrepresentation about the severity of Covid to report all hospitalizations "with covid" as Covid hospitalizations and then allow the media to run with that number to stoke fear and impact our policy decisions. The fact that this is coming out nearly two years later is astounding.
January 4, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, DBW said: Right but that doesn’t make it a purposeful fudging of numbers that the conspiracy theory suggests. And if you go to look at the reporting, they split the hospitalization numbers into severe/icu and mild cases. So there shouldn’t be any question of how severe the issue is. I’m willing to bet that there are a great number of people out there with significant symptoms that aren’t even going to the hospital. My wife had to visit urgent care (not for Covid) and there were 50 people in line for Covid testing and complications. At this point, the number of hospitalizations down but it could probably be way higher if people actually went to the hospital. They arent going because they’re being told they’re over run and there’s no room. in any case, changing "from” to "with” in my opinion won’t do anything to the overall numbers and certainly won’t impact the capacity of a hospital. You’re there, with or from, doesn’t matter, you’re taking up a bed. ^This. It's basically the same thing as the excess deaths argument rehashed from March 2020. Something caused all the excess mortality observed globally in 2020/21, and you can't explain it away by saying they were just incidental positives. Likewise, an overrun hospital is still an overrun hospital and something has been causing all these hospitals to be overrun. Nothing the trumpbots will provide can explain away the ICU numbers in states like OH and IL.
January 4, 20224 yr Deaths - Numbers all over the world are very low in terms of deaths from Omicron. Keep in mind that some places are still seeing Delta led waves though so COVID is still causing a lot of people to die. Hospitalizations - It is important to rule out the effects of a bad flu season and to keep in mind that numbers often or usually include "with COVID" in this category just as we've heard from many officials lately including Fauci and also leading NY State officials. Of course Omicron is also adding to overall loads on hospitals as well. Also, remember that even if Omicron isn't the leading contributor it will cause problem by adding chunks of patients to hospitals that may already be under a lot of pressure form both Delta and normal flu based cases.
January 4, 20224 yr As for Delta, it's basically been crowded out, with only 5% of newly sequenced cases now. The one good thing is that omicron does in fact seem to provide immunity against delta. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/588164-cdc-omicron-now-95-percent-of-new-us-covid-19-cases
January 4, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, DBW said: In any case, changing "from” to "with” in my opinion won’t do anything to the overall numbers and certainly won’t impact the capacity of a hospital. You’re there, with or from, doesn’t matter, you’re taking up a bed. This puts us right back to the "flatten the curve" discussion which in my mind was always where the focus should have been. Our capacity never was setup to handle a surge of COVID patients. This year we are seeing a really bad flu season party due to the super mild season last year plus the vaccine isn't as effective as it normally is this year. Add a surge (even if it is small) from Omicron and that constitutes a problem. Having said that, there is absolutely a need to start dialing down the hysteria the further we get into the Omicron data which all points to super mild cases. We can look at the UK, South Africa, Denmark, wherever and the story so far is the same. We are already seeing the turn in the communication in the US via the WH, Fauci, some state officials, etc. The fat lady isn't singing yet but things are looking increasingly positive.
January 4, 20224 yr Even the NY Times is trying to walk back the insanity, finally admitting that children are not, at all, at serious risk from Covid: They're too late, though. They've already turned the country of ishlibs into terrified children. It's going to take years to undo what they've done to these people psychologically.
January 4, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Thus far doesn't seem to be able to outcompete omicron.
January 4, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: It is not new Yep, Covid is essentially clickbait for media outlets at this point. Might as well go in the same category as "10 Celebrities You Won't Even Recognize Now!"
January 4, 20224 yr 16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Having said that, there is absolutely a need to start dialing down the hysteria the further we get into the Omicron data which all points to super mild cases. We can look at the UK, South Africa, Denmark, wherever and the story so far is the same. We are already seeing the turn in the communication in the US via the WH, Fauci, some state officials, etc. The fat lady isn't singing yet but things are looking increasingly positive. lol this dude basically posts the exact same thing as me in here but he keeps whining at people to block me for something he's still butthurt about from like a year ago.
January 4, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yep, Covid is essentially clickbait for media outlets at this point. Might as well go in the same category as "10 Celebrities You Won't Even Recognize Now!" Baywatch stars then and now, Nicole Eggert is a porker now https://www.insider.com/baywatch-cast-actors-then-and-now-2019-9
January 4, 20224 yr 46 minutes ago, Procus said: Fixed You got fixed? Thank God. Now you won't breed. The world is already a better place.
January 4, 20224 yr Very interesting thread on how Indonesia has essentially eliminated Covid cases and deaths: Omicron is our out to do the same here. Herd immunity. Trump was right again.
January 4, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Very interesting thread on how Indonesia has essentially eliminated Covid cases and deaths: Omicron is our out to do the same here. Herd immunity. Trump was right again. One thing is for sure - Biden is certainly not up to the job. 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: You got fixed? Thank God. Now you won't breed. The world is already a better place. Somebody made another funny
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