January 4, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, DBW said: Have you ever seen a death certificate? There is rarely ever one single thing listed as possible cause of death. New York can recount all of their deaths but unless the entire country does it, the numbers are barely gonna move. You might think that they’ll flip and we’ll suddenly see only 20,000 Covid deaths but you’re waaaaayy wrong in thinking that. It’s not like Covid is suddenly not going to be a factor in cause of death. Yeah, don't think it'll reduce the death count to 20K, but it's absolutely insane that hospitals haven't been making the distinction between being hospitalized because of Covid or hospitalized with Covid. We've based much of our response to the virus around hospitalizations and deaths and we're just now finding out that the conspiracy theorists have been right about the numbers all along. It's insanity.
January 4, 20224 yr 13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Is there a reason why you never source anything you post? I’m hoping that your source is correct but there’s no way to make that distinction since you never post a link. Why bother? You’ll either beyotch about the lack of sourcing, or immediately dismiss it due to the source. Stay happy in your ignorance. Just now, Kz! said: Yeah, don't think it'll reduce the death count to 20K, but it's absolutely insane that hospitals haven't been making the distinction between being hospitalized because of Covid or hospitalized with Covid. We've based much of our response to the virus around hospitalizations and deaths and we're just now finding out that the conspiracy theorists have been right about the numbers all along. It's insanity. They don’t make the distinction because the feds pay them not to.
January 4, 20224 yr 17 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Is there a reason why you never source anything you post? I’m hoping that your source is correct but there’s no way to make that distinction since you never post a link. Pro tip, if it's a quote you can literally google search any sentence and the first result will almost certainly be from the publication. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/covid-data-in-perspective/
January 4, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Why bother? You’ll either beyotch about the lack of sourcing, or immediately dismiss it due to the source. Stay happy in your ignorance. They don’t make the distinction because the feds pay them not to. The fact that we've never had anything close to real data on hospitalizations should be kind of jarring to everyone, though, right? It just seems crazy to me.
January 4, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: The fact that we've never had anything close to real data on hospitalizations should be kind of jarring to everyone, though, right? It just seems crazy to me. Everybody except for those like Plankton, who meltdown anytime anyone even questions what their political leaders say. 4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: websites specializing in far right fiction are super legit! Not bad for a sicko.
January 4, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: websites specializing in far right fiction are super legit! lol there wasn't anything in there but hard data and the guy's interpretation of it. Anything you can point out specifically that you disagree with or think is false?
January 4, 20224 yr Ah yes, the trumpbots now faced with the reality that their "mild cold" narrative is quickly unraveling, are going back to the old "not from covid, but with covid" well. If only we had data to torpedo that argument too...
January 4, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ah yes, the trumpbots now faced with the reality that their "mild cold" narrative is quickly unraveling, are going back to the old "not from covid, but with covid" well. If only we had data to torpedo that argument too... This literally doesn't say anything to refute the fact that Covid hospitalization data in this country has been greatly exaggerated throughout the pandemic due to the lack of distinction between hospitalizations because of covid and hospitalizations with covid. Oh and you should probably apologize to @Joe Shades 73 because he was 100% correct your argument about hospitalizations, and you were embarrassingly wrong as per usual. Slink away in shame, little dude.
January 4, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: This literally doesn't say anything to refute the fact that Covid hospitalization data in this country has been greatly exaggerated throughout the pandemic due to the lack of distinction between hospitalizations because of covid and hospitalizations with covid. Oh and you should probably apologize to @Joe Shades 73 because he was 100% correct your argument about hospitalizations, and you were embarrassingly wrong as per usual. Slink away in shame, little dude. What the hell are you mumbling about now?
January 4, 20224 yr 20 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: websites specializing in far right fiction are super legit! That site may have well been called "StoptheSteal.com"
January 4, 20224 yr Of course it’s from the National Review. I’m on y’all’s side on this one, dip sheets. I’m hoping it’s mild and have changed essentially nothing in my life based on its risk, but you’re gonna have to find legit sources if you want anyone to believe you.
January 4, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: What the hell are you mumbling about now? He put his mortgage payment on the over tonight and is probably a bit nervous.
January 4, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Of course it’s from the National Review. I’m on y’all’s side on this one, dip sheets. I’m hoping it’s mild and have changed essentially nothing in my life based on its risk, but you’re gonna have to find legit sources if you want anyone to believe you. If you're boosted, your individual risk remains low. But the collective impact is still being felt because of how many unvaccinated morons we share this country with.
January 4, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: What the hell are you mumbling about now? You owe Joe Shades an apology!
January 4, 20224 yr 28 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yeah, don't think it'll reduce the death count to 20K, but it's absolutely insane that hospitals haven't been making the distinction between being hospitalized because of Covid or hospitalized with Covid. We've based much of our response to the virus around hospitalizations and deaths and we're just now finding out that the conspiracy theorists have been right about the numbers all along. It's insanity. It’s the Chicken or the egg argument in a lot of cases. I mean, if you broke a leg and went to the hospital and they found you to have a high BP and respirations were up and you had a slight fever so they ran a Covid test and it was positive, then sure you didn’t come to the hospital for Covid, however if you’re then admitted to the ICU because your pulse ox was 80% and you had trouble breathing, then we’ll that’s a Covid hospitalization. In other words, regardless of what brought you there, If you’d otherwise have gone home but got admitted because of Covid then it’s a Covid hospitalization. When we were initially dealing with this hospitalizations were up because we didn’t know what it was or how to deal with it or had any level of protection. And as a result there were Higher rates of severe illness. There was no fudging of numbers at that time. And now we have protections in the vaccines which reduce the severity greatly and we have better treatment and know how to fight it off so the severe cases are way down, but that still doesn’t mean people aren’t going to hospitals because of Covid and it doesn’t indicate any numbers are being manipulated. in terms of the cause of death, look at any death certificate. A gunshot victim will also have at least 3 other contributing factors. Maybe they’re a diabetic that bled out. Maybe they had heart disease and developed clots after surgery, and maybe, just maybe they were immuno suppressed and caught a virus and died because it caused pneumonia. So what killed him? The gunshot? The number of chins? Or a virus? You see how this works?
January 4, 20224 yr 22 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: What the hell are you mumbling about now? You threw a tantrum because Joe Shades said exactly what everyone is saying about "covid hospitalizations." It's cool if you don't want to own up to it now, like most of your predictions in this thread. Par for the little dude course. 22 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Of course it’s from the National Review. I’m on y’all’s side on this one, dip sheets. I’m hoping it’s mild and have changed essentially nothing in my life based on its risk, but you’re gonna have to find legit sources if you want anyone to believe you. 37 minutes ago, Kz! said: lol there wasn't anything in there but hard data and the guy's interpretation of it. Anything you can point out specifically that you disagree with or think is false?
January 4, 20224 yr Just now, Kz! said: You threw a tantrum because Joe Shades said exactly what everyone is saying about "covid hospitalizations." It's cool if you don't want to own up to it now, like most of your predictions in this thread. Par for the little dude course. I think your lifelong brain damage is surfacing again. Quote some posts and we'll see who's wrong about what.
January 4, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, DBW said: It’s the Chicken or the egg argument in a lot of cases. I mean, if you broke a leg and went to the hospital and they found you to have a high BP and respirations were up and you had a slight fever so they ran a Covid test and it was positive, then sure you didn’t come to the hospital for Covid, however if you’re then admitted to the ICU because your pulse ox was 80% and you had trouble breathing, then we’ll that’s a Covid hospitalization. In other words, regardless of what brought you there, If you’d otherwise have gone home but got admitted because of Covid then it’s a Covid hospitalization. When we were initially dealing with this hospitalizations were up because we didn’t know what it was or how to deal with it or had any level of protection. And as a result there were Higher rates of severe illness. There was no fudging of numbers at that time. And now we have protections in the vaccines which reduce the severity greatly and we have better treatment and know how to fight it off so the severe cases are way down, but that still doesn’t mean people aren’t going to hospitals because of Covid and it doesn’t indicate any numbers are being manipulated. in terms of the cause of death, look at any death certificate. A gunshot victim will also have at least 3 other contributing factors. Maybe they’re a diabetic that bled out. Maybe they had heart disease and developed clots after surgery, and maybe, just maybe they were immuno suppressed and caught a virus and died because it caused pneumonia. So what killed him? The gunshot? The number of chins? Or a virus? You see how this works? Except if you are admitted to the hospital you are automatically tested for coronavirus. What we're just now finding out nearly two years after the fact is that everyone admitted to the hospital for any reason who tests positive for coronavirus is added to the "covid hospitalization" list. So, yes, people who broke their legs in a car crash are tested for coronavirus and if they test positive, they're added to the "covid hospitalization" list regardless of whether or not they have symptoms. It's incredibly flawed since we've been using that data to make policy decisions.
January 4, 20224 yr 13 minutes ago, DBW said: It’s the Chicken or the egg argument in a lot of cases. I mean, if you broke a leg and went to the hospital and they found you to have a high BP and respirations were up and you had a slight fever so they ran a Covid test and it was positive, then sure you didn’t come to the hospital for Covid, however if you’re then admitted to the ICU because your pulse ox was 80% and you had trouble breathing, then we’ll that’s a Covid hospitalization. In other words, regardless of what brought you there, If you’d otherwise have gone home but got admitted because of Covid then it’s a Covid hospitalization. When we were initially dealing with this hospitalizations were up because we didn’t know what it was or how to deal with it or had any level of protection. And as a result there were Higher rates of severe illness. There was no fudging of numbers at that time. And now we have protections in the vaccines which reduce the severity greatly and we have better treatment and know how to fight it off so the severe cases are way down, but that still doesn’t mean people aren’t going to hospitals because of Covid and it doesn’t indicate any numbers are being manipulated. in terms of the cause of death, look at any death certificate. A gunshot victim will also have at least 3 other contributing factors. Maybe they’re a diabetic that bled out. Maybe they had heart disease and developed clots after surgery, and maybe, just maybe they were immuno suppressed and caught a virus and died because it caused pneumonia. So what killed him? The gunshot? The number of chins? Or a virus? You see how this works? It's really not Quote The telling number is ICU stays, which flat out have not gone up, period. This is going to wind up like Japan in WWII, with the zealots who have so wrapped Covid authoritarian acquiescence up in their identity hiding in their mental caves, refusing to come out when someone comes to tell them that it's over.
January 4, 20224 yr Lots of mild cold ICU admissions in these states... Just now, The_Omega said: The telling number is ICU stays, which flat out have not gone up, period.
January 4, 20224 yr 35 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: What the hell are you mumbling about now? Fauci was on TV saying exactly what I said about anyone testing positive even if coming in for broken arm are reported in the case numbers for covid.
January 4, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Lots of mild cold ICU admissions in these states... Hospitalization data is useless now, little guy. We've already covered this. Get a new hobby.
January 4, 20224 yr CDC revised amount of omicron VS Delta saying Delta as of a few weeks ago was still dominant so most likely the increase in hospitalizations is due to that. It is quite clear from data out of UK , SA and other places Omicron is more mild
January 4, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Fauci was on TV saying exactly what I said about anyone testing positive even if coming in for broken arm are reported in the case numbers for covid. Quote some posts, I have no idea what you two dingleberries are talking about. 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Hospitalization data is useless now, little guy. We've already covered this. Get a new hobby. Taking the L so soon? That's a shame
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