8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

That goes to the "lessons learned" point. An anti-vaxxer isn't going to be convinced by words that he should get vaccinated. But they just might if they needs to go to the hospital for something else and can't get cared for. And, yeah, that hurts normal people too. But I'd rather deal with that headache now before a more serious pandemic hits that takes a higher toll.

Unfortunately too many think that you can convince people still, another PSA from a celeb will do it

3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

lmao - i am on record stating all msm is a problem,

 

agreed

7 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Exactly. Let the fraction of a percent that coronavirus kills just die off (even less for omicron) and let's move on with our lives. Save the big guns like super-effective cloth masks and tyrannical vaccine mandates for a virus that isn't so mild.

Also 

32 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Generally checked my mask/COVID hot takes at the door before coming in here but I just want to say this once...

We need to give up on the mask and mandate debates. We need to suffer the consequences of our actions. Society as a whole is no longer able to reach consensus. Debate no longer serves as a way to reach a shared understanding but, rather, to further fuel differences of opinion and the discourse from it. And speaking of difference of opinions... things that we once knew to be factual and true, like science, have been tossed in the trash. 

It's time we reap the whirlwind for our growing stupidity as a human species. I'd rather do it now with a virus with a tolerable mortality rate. Because at some point there's going to be another virus that comes along which is much deadlier. And if we haven't learned any hard lessons from this pandemic then we're going to have to deal with the same arguments from the same stupid people about who reject science and reality.

So, yes, let people die. Let people's own stupidity kill them. 60% of the population doing the hard work for the other 40% of the idiots is only hurting us. If they don't want to wear a mask, let them not wear masks. If they want to believe vaccines are the tools of a demonic cabal, let them be unvaccinated. If they want to treat a virus with eating horse paste or by drinking urine, we should not only let them but encourage them. We're not doing ourselves any favors by trying to support these people against their wills.

 

You do know the reason for everything you said ,which is mostly all true ,,is the result of people lying about facts ,or shaping the facts to suit a narrative ,both sides of the isle are guilty of this. If someone lies or manipulates facts to me and I find out they did knowingly ,I’m never gonna believe them again. 

10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The counterpoint here is hospitals being overrun to the point of both wearing down personnel and, more concerning, denying care for people that need it for non-Covid related reasons.  But in that case, we should be publicly investing in hospitals in a way we never have before.

 

5 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

That goes to the "lessons learned" point. An anti-vaxxer isn't going to be convinced by words that he should get vaccinated. But they just might if they needs to go to the hospital for something else and can't get cared for. And, yeah, that hurts normal people too. But I'd rather deal with that headache now before a more serious pandemic hits that takes a higher toll.

It’s a sad but true reality that the hospital systems in the US are under funded and understaffed during normal times. Precovid I once waited in the ER so long I went into renal failure due to severe dehydration when I got hit with a bad stomach virus/infection.  I nearly died waiting for them to get to me and I’m not embellishing that, the doctor said any longer and I would have been in some real trouble as my kidneys were barely functioning.  That happened to me twice within a few years.  And I have one of the best hospital system on the country in my state.  So what people don’t realize is the burden they’re under most days let alone a pandemic.  My local hospitals are not doing any elective procedures, have urged people to not even come to the ER for Covid like symptoms, they can’t Handle the volume and the real emergencies like motto vehicle crash victims, heart attacks, etc are unable to get cared for.  That’s the harsh reality that people are ignoring.   

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

It's just not that mild.  I mean, I was all on your mild train for a while but Omicron is hospitalizing and killing plenty of people.  And for the unvaxxed, it's 10x more than the vaxxed.  Now, it's clearly not as harsh as previous versions which is great, but it's not, by any definition mild.  But, like Mayan is saying, who cares.  Those are the consequences of stupid decisions and we'll be better off in the long run if we allow them to face the consequences of their actions.

It actually is, the number of cases is probably around 2 million per day, yet the death and hospitalizations are are around the same for previous variants when cases were around 200,000 a day and it has already been proven in other countries it is much milder. Bottom line though is the vaccine keeps you safe , but now it is a matter of personal responsibility not mandates anymore

Just now, Brianfive said:

You do know the reason for everything you said ,which is mostly all true ,,is the result of people lying about facts ,or shaping the facts to suit a narrative ,both sides of the isle are guilty of this. If someone lies or manipulates facts to me and I find out they did knowingly ,I’m never gonna believe them again. 

No one cares.  Take the vaccine or don't.  If you're stupid enough to base that decision on some conspiracy you've conjured up in your mind then enjoy the consequences of that absolutely insane decision.

Thoughts @DrPhilly??  

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

No one cares.  Take the vaccine or don't.  If you're stupid enough to base that decision on some conspiracy you've conjured up in your mind then enjoy the consequences of that absolutely insane decision.

I’m vaxed dude! Just giving my opinion on why people act or think the way they do🤷‍♂️

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Thoughts @DrPhilly??  

Sam is usually on point.

9 minutes ago, Brianfive said:

You do know the reason for everything you said ,which is mostly all true ,,is the result of people lying about facts ,or shaping the facts to suit a narrative ,both sides of the isle are guilty of this. If someone lies or manipulates facts to me and I find out they did knowingly ,I’m never gonna believe them again. 

Well that's because you're a paranoid, cynical idiot.

I know for a fact that a handful of people at the FDA did some unforgiveable things in letting Oxycontin go to market which led to the deaths of millions. But that doesn't mean I don't trust anything the FDA does ever again. Almost all of the work they do is righteous and admirable and keeps us safe. I'm aware enough to know that some people are bad. Not all.

9 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Unfortunately too many think that you can convince people still, another PSA from a celeb will do it

if sam elliott did a PSA these anti-vaxxers would be fighting each other to get in line. 

1 minute ago, Brianfive said:

I’m vaxed dude!

Good for you.

So your post was an elaborate hypothetical and the point stands.  If someone (not you apparently) is dumb enough to deny themselves a life-saving vaccine because of a piece on Tucker Carlson or a YouTube video they watched that told them FAUCI LIED! then I guess they'll live with the consequences of their stupidity.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

It's just not that mild.  I mean, I was all on your mild train for a while but Omicron is hospitalizing and killing plenty of people.  And for the unvaxxed, it's 10x more than the vaxxed.  Now, it's clearly not as harsh as previous versions which is great, but it's not, by any definition mild.  But, like Mayan is saying, who cares.  Those are the consequences of stupid decisions and we'll be better off in the long run if we allow them to face the consequences of their actions.

I guess we're just taking the government's data about vaxxed vs. unvaxxed death rates at face value? This, right after they just admitted to lying about hospitalizations and the death count after two years?

But agreed on your last point. Let's stop pretending like the government has to act as a parental figure of people to protect against a virus that kills significantly less than 1% of the people it infects. Our government, particularly Biden, has already failed spectacularly at reducing transmission rates. It's simply something that is well out of their ability to handle (again, particularly Biden's).

We're all adults here. Wash your hands. Stay home when you're sick. Quit blowing hobos in back alleys for loose change. Quit being a fat slob and exercise and eat right. If everyone does that Covid poses almost zero threat and if you can't do that or you're old as ish like toaster, keep loading up with the mRNA stuff. It's really not that hard. 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Also 

Uh, yes, the federal government attempting to coerce private employers into firing people over their personal medical decisions is, like, the definition of tyrannical.   

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

if sam elliott did a PSA these anti-vaxxers would be fighting each other to get in line. 

No they wouldn't, it would be like when Trump said he was vaxxed and booed, they would think he was replaced by an imposter from the New World Order

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Well that's because you're a paranoid, cynical idiot.

I know for a fact that a handful of people at the FDA did some unforgiveable things in letting Oxycontin go to market which led to the deaths of millions. But that doesn't mean I don't trust anything the FDA does ever again. Almost of the work they do is righteous and admirable. I'm aware enough to know that some people are bad. Not all.

So am I ,once again I’m vaxed

On one side you have medical experts and health experts and the other side you have charlatans.  It isn’t that hard to figure out who to side with unless you’re gullible and an idiot.

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Good for you.

So your post was an elaborate hypothetical and the point stands.  If someone (not you apparently) is dumb enough to deny themselves a life-saving vaccine because of a piece on Tucker Carlson or a YouTube video they watched that told them FAUCI LIED! then I guess they'll live with the consequences of their stupidity.

Yea pretty much ,I wasn’t arguing ,I was just giving my opinion on why people act and do the things they do

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

No they wouldn't, it would be like when Trump said he was vaxxed and booed, they would think he was replaced by an imposter from the New World Order

you're probably right, i give these dipsheets too much credit. 

11 minutes ago, DBW said:

 

It’s a sad but true reality that the hospital systems in the US are under funded and understaffed during normal times. Precovid I once waited in the ER so long I went into renal failure due to severe dehydration when I got hit with a bad stomach virus/infection.  I nearly died waiting for them to get to me and I’m not embellishing that, the doctor said any longer and I would have been in some real trouble as my kidneys were barely functioning.  That happened to me twice within a few years.  And I have one of the best hospital system on the country in my state.  So what people don’t realize is the burden they’re under most days let alone a pandemic.  My local hospitals are not doing any elective procedures, have urged people to not even come to the ER for Covid like symptoms, they can’t Handle the volume and the real emergencies like motto vehicle crash victims, heart attacks, etc are unable to get cared for.  That’s the harsh reality that people are ignoring.   

Did the hobo who gave you the virus survive?

1 minute ago, Brianfive said:

So am I ,once again I’m vaxed

I didn't say anything about you being vaxxed.

I said you were stupid for saying you couldn't believe someone/something ever again if you were lied to. Like, that's just Fing insane. Every person you've ever known has lied to you at some point. Someone who isn't stupid would be able to distinguish between the good, scientific work being done and the few people who exploit the situation for their own benefit. 

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Thoughts @DrPhilly??  

Far as I am aware you don't listen to Sam.  I do and he's very outspoken in his pro vaccine stance.  He is very negative toward the anti-vaxxers.

You would emphatically disagree with Sam on other topics like identity politics but on this one you'd be in violent agreement.

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I guess we're just taking the government's data about vaxxed vs. unvaxxed death rates at face value?

 

You can also go by word of mouth, I know of no one vaxxed and hospitalized but I know of people unvaxxed and hospitalized, it is not a scientific study but still gives some insight

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Far as I am aware you don't listen to Sam.  I do and he's very outspoken in his pro vaccine stance.  He is very negative toward the anti-vaxxers.

You would emphatically disagree with Sam on other topics like identity politics but on this one you'd be in violent agreement.

Did you listen to the podcast in question?

16 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

No one cares.  Take the vaccine or don't.  If you're stupid enough to base that decision on some conspiracy you've conjured up in your mind then enjoy the consequences of that absolutely insane decision.

 Clearly the thousands of posts the ishlibs have made in here whining about the unvaxxed and maskless is you all not caring