January 12, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: From working in IT forensics, and having an interest in crime and criminology, I believe that each minute away from the crime, the odds of figuring it out drop significantly. Often times in the IT world, there is no smoking gun to point to - logs are imperfect, sensors are imperfect. By the time you fix the problem, the root cause of the problem might no longer be visible. Crime seems to have the same problems. If it is man made, the real hope is some arrogant dewsh signed his work, and somebody lucking into finding it. Either way China should be held accountable for their actions in failing to properly warn the global community and prevent this from occurring in the first place. A zoonotic origin (presumably from wild life trade practices or field research) does not give them a free pass since they still attempted to destroy all evidence of those links to the Huanan market and elsewhere both inside and outside of Wuhan.
January 12, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: From working in IT forensics, and having an interest in crime and criminology, I believe that each minute away from the crime, the odds of figuring it out drop significantly. Often times in the IT world, there is no smoking gun to point to - logs are imperfect, sensors are imperfect. By the time you fix the problem, the root cause of the problem might no longer be visible. Crime seems to have the same problems. If it is man made, the real hope is some arrogant dewsh signed his work, and somebody lucking into finding it. and that info not being supressed for any political reasons.
January 12, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Either way China should be held accountable for their actions in failing to properly warn the global community and prevent this from occurring in the first place. A zoonotic origin (presumably from wild life trade practices or field research) does not give them a free pass since they still attempted to destroy all evidence of those links to the Huanan market and elsewhere both inside and outside of Wuhan. How is anyone going to hold them accountable?
January 12, 20224 yr Just now, Ipiggles said: and that info not being supressed for any political reasons. There's a danger in letting unfiltered information like that out to the public. We see now how careless and stupid people are when armed with even the most innocuous anecdotes. People are so desperate to come to a conclusion they're comfortable with that they'll just start making crap up and spinning a narrative. I 100% respect the decision of scientists to not share their opinions on the matter. They obviously don't know if the Wuhan lab made it. It's suspicious for sure, but just because the chance of natural occurrence is low doesn't mean it's not natural. I want the scientific community to come together and do as much work as possible to figure it out. But we may never know. And people need to be OK with that.
January 12, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Toastrel said: How is anyone going to hold them accountable? It's the same argument for holding them accountable for currency manipulation. You have to have cause that hits home hard enough to form a global coalition against them. A global pandemic might fit that criteria.
January 12, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: How is anyone going to hold them accountable? Therein lies the problem. Without concrete evidence of malfeasance, we're pissing up a rope. Even Trump with all his bluster did F all to deter them from behaving this way. This is why China stonewalls in all cases, regardless of whether they're actually guilty of something.
January 12, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: ^^^^ We're seeing first-hand how the MAGA disinformation bubble works. 1. Not actually reading the story. 2. Get outraged. 3. Make memes.
January 12, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: There's a danger in letting unfiltered information like that out to the public. We see now how careless and stupid people are when armed with even the most innocuous anecdotes. People are so desperate to come to a conclusion they're comfortable with that they'll just start making crap up and spinning a narrative. I 100% respect the decision of scientists to not share their opinions on the matter. They obviously don't know if the Wuhan lab made it. It's suspicious for sure, but just because the chance of natural occurrence is low doesn't mean it's not natural. I want the scientific community to come together and do as much work as possible to figure it out. But we may never know. And people need to be OK with that. The consensus among virologists is still that a zoonotic origin is more plausible. The more prominent virologists have characterized it as far more plausible than a man-made origin.
January 12, 20224 yr Study: Cannabis compounds prevent coronavirus from entering human cells https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2022/01/12/study-cannabis-compounds-prevent-coronavirus-from-entering-human-cells/ Why couldn't this be a compound in single malt scotch? 12 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: It's the same argument for holding them accountable for currency manipulation. You have to have cause that hits home hard enough to form a global coalition against them. A global pandemic might fit that criteria. We can't get our own people to agree on election results.
January 12, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Study: Cannabis compounds prevent coronavirus from entering human cells https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2022/01/12/study-cannabis-compounds-prevent-coronavirus-from-entering-human-cells/ Why couldn't this be a compound in single malt scotch? We can't get our own people to agree on election results. Explains how I've managed to dodge it after working and coaching youth sports throughout the pandemic.
January 12, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, Toastrel said: We can't get our own people to agree on election results. Also true. 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: The consensus among virologists is still that a zoonotic origin is more plausible. The more prominent virologists have characterized it as far more plausible than a man-made origin. I hadn't seen that. I'd be curious to read about it if you have a link.
January 12, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Big blunt for me tonight! The mainstream media doesn't want you to know this!
January 12, 20224 yr 37 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Also true. I hadn't seen that. I'd be curious to read about it if you have a link. The source papers are more thorough but start here: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-11-19/a-new-research-paper-evidence-for-the-animal-origin-of-covid-19 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-its-so-tricky-to-trace-the-origin-of-covid-19 https://www.science.org/content/article/why-many-scientists-say-unlikely-sars-cov-2-originated-lab-leak Basically the gist of early skepticism was due to some unusual genetic features of the virus (furin cleavage site) that had never been seen before in that viruses sub-family (sarbecoviruses.) In actuality, there were some that had this in a closely related family (merbecoviruses), which included MERS so it wasn't exactly a smoking gun as one notable virologist tried to frame it as. Others pointed out that the listed known sarbecoviruses was but a tiny fraction of what exists in nature, so it's not accurate to say the cleavage site doesn't exist in nature in this group of viruses, just that we have yet to find one that does. Then, as it turns out, some infected bats were sampled in Laos last fall and those viruses belonged to the very same sub-family and had those same features (FCS.) This pretty much torpedoed the idea the cleavage site was evidence of gain of function research since their entire premise up until that point was this feature couldn't have arisen naturally. So I'd even go so far as to say evidence and consensus for a natural origin has grown rather than shrunk, but admittedly, until an intermediate host is identified, it's a topic that will remain unsettled. Edit: It was the receptor binding domain I was thinking of, not a furin cleavage site. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-18/bats-in-laos-caves-harbor-closest-relatives-to-covid-19-virus
January 12, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, mayanh8 said: No, it doesn't PREVENT re-transmission altogether. It never did for any of the variants. But it reduces the overall lifespan which means it reduced the amount of retransmission in a vaccinated individual. Correct. Even with the original strains, the vaccine did not generally prevent people from being infected (i.e., test positive), but it did reliably limit viral replication enough to the point that the vast majority of infected people would not have enough of the virus in their body in order to be either symptomatic or contagious.
January 12, 20224 yr 15 minutes ago, paco said: Where are sick kids being evicted? There's a story that a Canadian Ronald McDonald house is going to require vaccinations. Nobody is being kicked out, but given these are places for patients with serious medical issues, I guess they feel the risk is too great to allow the unvaccinated in. Quote A family claims they’re being evicted over a vaccine mandate issued by a Ronald McDonald House located in Vancouver. The organization’s British Columbia and Yukon branch sent residents a notice of this mandate on Monday, highlighting the mandate begins for anyone ages five and older starting Jan. 17. For those unfamiliar, Ronald McDonald House is a nonprofit initiative that seeks to help families with sick children to stay close to medical facilities "at little to no cost.” These places originated within the U.S. (in Philadelphia, actually) although they’re found throughout the world. A copy of the policy obtained by True North News reads that this vaccine policy is a means of "providing and maintaining a safe and healthy environment for all its Family guests, Workers, Visitors and Volunteers in accordance with the applicable occupational health and safety legislation and public health guidelines.” The policy states residents or guests have until Jan. 31 to get at least one dose, although locations intend to scan and screen for vaccination passports beginning Jan. 12.
January 12, 20224 yr 38 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The mainstream media doesn't want you to know this! They should do this study on alcohol or fast food next. Let's see which really should be legal.
January 12, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Toty said: Have you detected this behavior - in sequence - in yourself, in the woke crowd, or in the tendencies of any non-MAGA posters? Just a few pages back people were getting called out for attacking the source of information instead of the substance, just a few posts removed from getting attacked for their sources. This place is a disgrace. new to cvon i see.
January 12, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Toty said: Have you detected this behavior - in sequence - in yourself, in the woke crowd, or in the tendencies of any non-MAGA posters? Just a few pages back people were getting called out for attacking the source of information instead of the substance, just a few posts removed from getting attacked for their sources. This place is a disgrace. well, that's one thing it has in common with.....hmm......i don't know............... your face! your face!!!
January 12, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, Toty said: This place is a disgrace. Meh, it's OK. Just wait until you get yourself an autistic stalker. It gets better.
January 12, 20224 yr Just now, Toty said: what the hell is that? thats me living in his head, rent free. holy crap its too easy anymore.
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