12 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I did the math once. I get nearly 8 weeks altogether  Only 40 hours of that is sick time though so my company sucks.

In 2021 with baby girl, on top of my vacation I got 12 weeks of paternity leave and two weeks of paid "emergency" leave which my boss granted for her NICU stay.  All in all I could have taken 20 weeks off  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I call absolute BS on this entire narrative.  My grand daughter just turned 3, and has no speech delays, and in fact is advanced for that age.  More so then her Dad ( my stepson ) who was also ahead of the curve at that age.  Maybe if you had raised a child you would know that they actually learn to speak at home before going to school.  This is a lazy parenting issue, nothing more.

Yeah, I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is correct and plummeting test scores all across the country and speech delays have nothing to do with coronavirus. It's just an incredible coincidence that all these things have sharply risen right at the time Covid got started because that's the exact time the bad parenting kicked in to explain it all.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I call absolute BS on this entire narrative.  My grand daughter just turned 3, and has no speech delays, and in fact is advanced for that age.  More so then her Dad ( my stepson ) who was also ahead of the curve at that age.  Maybe if you had raised a child you would know that they actually learn to speak at home before going to school.  This is a lazy parenting issue, nothing more.

I know someone who's a Speech Language Pathologist and it's a legit issue, especially for kids with undiagnosed hearing impairments.

I agree that a lot of it is poor parenting but in areas where masks are required for kids under 5 in daycare/preschool, I'd support exemptions for any that were diagnosed with delayed speech development.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

In 2021 with baby girl, on top of my vacation I got 12 weeks of paternity leave and two weeks of "emergency" leave which my boss granted for her NICU stay.  All in all I could have taken 20 weeks off  

I hope you took every single day.

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is correct and plummeting test scores all across the country and speech delays have nothing to do with coronavirus. It's just an incredible coincidence that all these things have sharply risen right at the time Covid got started because that's the exact time the bad parenting kicked in to explain it all.

Pretty sure our test scores have sucked for quite a while. It's nice to have something to blame now though.

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And in those cases, the companies are being stupid. 

https://hbr.org/2004/10/presenteeism-at-work-but-out-of-it

 

In the cases where enough sick days are provided and people still show up coughing? It's the employees that need to strapped onto a rocket and fired into the sun.

it depends on the employer...and the job. i was "smart" enough to choose a position where i absolutely cannot miss work during certain weeks of the month.   at my last job, i showed up with f'n pneumonia for a couple days because of the workload involved with that job. i eventually got the hell out of there but some employers are like that...ridiculous workloads make it almost impossible to get caught up after you take time off. 

my new job is much better with that...but there are still certain weeks of the month i just can't take off so i have to plan all my vacations around it. 

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I hope you took every single day.

I think I only took a week of vacation and 10 of the 12 weeks of paternity leave (kind of a way to "pay back" the emergency leave I was granted).

 

The paternity leave was the best, it really let me bond with baby girl.  But by the end of it I was chomping at the bit to get back to work.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

it depends on the employer...and the job. i was "smart" enough to choose a position where i absolutely cannot miss work during certain weeks of the month.   at my last job, i showed up with f'n pneumonia for a couple days because of the workload involved with that job. i eventually got the hell out of there but some employers are like that...ridiculous workloads make it almost impossible to get caught up after you take time off. 

my new job is much better with that...but there are still certain weeks of the month where it's almost impossible to take time off so i have to plan all my vacations around it. 

My hope was that companies would wise up once the pandemic fully hit but clearly they haven't and likely won't.

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is correct and plummeting test scores all across the country and speech delays have nothing to do with coronavirus. It's just an incredible coincidence that all these things have sharply risen right at the time Covid got started because that's the exact time the bad parenting kicked in to explain it all.

Children develop in the home with their parents.  There is no masks causing any issues.  Parents just continue to be less and less engaged as time goes on.  Maybe if the parents had been at home with their kids instead of following around cult leader Agent Orange to all his rallies they would not be behind in development.

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Pretty sure our test scores have sucked for quite a while. It's nice to have something to blame now though.

Yes, and they've gotten much worse during the pandemic. 

GF is feeling a lot better. She basically slept for the past two days. PCR test is in a few hours, so hopefully we'll soon know if we're a plague house or not.

Just now, downundermike said:

Children develop in the home with their parents.  There is no masks causing any issues.  Parents just continue to be less and less engaged as time goes on.  Maybe if the parents had been at home with their kids instead of following around cult leader Agent Orange to all his rallies they would not be behind in development.

Dude, there's really no debate here. Pretty much every metric we have to measure student achievement is down across the board. Virtual learning has been an unmitigated disaster. 

Please note that that doesn't mean I'm saying parental involvement isn't probably the biggest factor in an individual child's educational success.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

GF is feeling a lot better. She basically slept for the past two days. PCR test is in a few hours, so hopefully we'll soon know if we're a plague house or not.

Just remember pirates are wild!

12 minutes ago, paco said:

I think I only took a week of vacation and 10 of the 12 weeks of paternity leave (kind of a way to "pay back" the emergency leave I was granted).

 

The paternity leave was the best, it really let me bond with baby girl.  But by the end of it I was chomping at the bit to get back to work.

Trust me, I totally get it.

Just now, Paul852 said:

Trust me, I totally get it.

Now I'm leading two large projects and completely burned out while schmoopie is on baby duty. What was I thinking?   

1 minute ago, paco said:

Now I'm leading two large projects and completely burned out while schmoopie is on baby duty. What was I thinking?   

Baby duty is tough too man. I think I'll take the projects.

47 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

That's up to companies to fix. You think most of those people want to come to work sick?

I'm assuming we're talking strictly in the US and we all know people didn't wear masks here.

Yeah. It was just an observation

46 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

In the cases where not enough sick time is provided to employees, agreed. 

But we get 10 sick days a year and people still came to work sick all the F'ing time. 

 

43 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

That's not typical. Pretty sure it's 40 hours and that's tough for a lot of people to juggle. Especially those with kids who have to juggle that time between sick kids let alone them being sick.

I always thought sick time should go by instances, and not days. People typically get the flu and are sick for 2 to 3 days, not 1. 

30 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Pretty sure our test scores have sucked for quite a while. It's nice to have something to blame now though.

 

Didn't you get the memo? Tests are racist now.

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

That's not typical. Pretty sure it's 40 hours and that's tough for a lot of people to juggle. Especially those with kids who have to juggle that time between sick kids let alone them being sick.

 

1 hour ago, paco said:

I get 5 weeks vacation plus quite a few personal choice holidays.

 

No sick days though.  So I have to tough it out.

 

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

I did the math once. I get nearly 8 weeks altogether  Only 40 hours of that is sick time though so my company sucks.

My firm has truly unlimited PTO and flexible work hours. I could never go back to a regimented schedule and 3-4 weeks of PTO.

50 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know someone who's a Speech Language Pathologist and it's a legit issue, especially for kids with undiagnosed hearing impairments.

I agree that a lot of it is poor parenting but in areas where masks are required for kids under 5 in daycare/preschool, I'd support exemptions for any that were diagnosed with delayed speech development.

My sister in law is a SLP for Bucks IU and she's definitely seen issues...but it is true that a lot of these issues are more in the home then at the school.

44 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

My hope was that companies would wise up once the pandemic fully hit but clearly they haven't and likely won't.

Some certainly have, but the majority sadly will not...until those companies that did wise up start getting all the great talent over their competitors.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

 

 

My firm has truly unlimited PTO and flexible work hours. I could never go back to a regimented schedule and 3-4 weeks of PTO.

My sister in law is a SLP for Bucks IU and she's definitely seen issues...but it is true that a lot of these issues are more in the home then at the school.

Some certainly have, but the majority sadly will not...until those companies that did wise up start getting all the great talent over their competitors.

I hate unlimited PTO. It's manipulative, plus you can't build it up for that huge payout when you leave. I have nearly 400 hours and if I left the company tomorrow they have to pay every hour.

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I hate unlimited PTO. It's manipulative, plus you can't build it up for that huge payout when you leave. I have nearly 400 hours and if I left the company tomorrow they have to pay every hour.

I'm a partner and not planning to leave anytime soon, but I get your point. Always positives and negatives. But we truly foster a culture where it's ok to use it. I'd say employees take on average 5-6 weeks of PTO most years. In 2021 I believe I did 5 weeks and 4 days in total. In 2019 though I took an 8 week trip touring Europe. What's key is the flexibility and not having to get things "approved" ahead of time. There are definitely companies out there that offer "unlimited" but hold using it against you. All depends on the company.

We got rid of our vacation policy a few years ago. If you want time off, ask. Everyone is expected to be available while on vacation or working from home. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

We got rid of our vacation policy a few years ago. If you want time off, ask. Everyone is expected to be available while on vacation or working from home. 

Vacation is for the poors.

Just now, vikas83 said:

We got rid of our vacation policy a few years ago. If you want time off, ask. Everyone is expected to be available while on vacation or working from home. 

Kind of defeats the purpose, no?

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I'm a partner and not planning to leave anytime soon, but I get your point. Always positives and negatives. But we truly foster a culture where it's ok to use it. I'd say employees take on average 5-6 weeks of PTO most years. In 2021 I believe I did 5 weeks and 4 days in total. In 2019 though I took an 8 week trip touring Europe. What's key is the flexibility and not having to get things "approved" ahead of time. There are definitely companies out there that offer "unlimited" but hold using it against you. All depends on the company.

Talk about great timing. I have loved all my time in Europe. Can't wait to go back.