April 3, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Yep, some older people with underlying complications were not given the full treatment as they were deemed "not savable” and the resources were used for others. It is called triage. That’s what happens with national health care. Cancer, COVID, whatever, makes no different. I’ve seen that first hand in watching people lose cancer battles over here over the years and contrasting that with the full Blue Cross / Blue Shield care my mother was given in her long battle. The part about the kids is a complete utter fabrication.
April 3, 20223 yr Man gets Covid vaccinated 90 times. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/man-germany-90-covid-19-shots-sell-forged-83843922
April 3, 20223 yr Regarding triage I have to side with DrPhilly on this one. When hospitals are overrun healthcare workers on the ground have to prioritize to the best of their ability, and sometimes that means grandpa gets morphine. I'd like to see this claim that children were used to deliberately infect the elderly substantiated. The elderly being lower priority when receiving Covid care is not any sort of revelation, and that claim seems incredibly sensational.
April 3, 20223 yr FWIW morphine is a treatment for dyspnea, the painful labored breathing of folks with end stage heart and lung disease. Pretty common in the palliative care world.
April 3, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I'd like to see this claim that children were used to deliberately infect the elderly substantiated. The elderly being lower priority when receiving Covid care is not any sort of revelation, and that claim seems incredibly sensational. I read the investigation. The claim was a bit of mental gymnastic hyperbole by someone wishing to spin a narrative.
April 3, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Man gets Covid vaccinated 19 times. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/man-germany-90-covid-19-shots-sell-forged-83843922 How many times is that in "Gs"?
April 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Regarding triage I have to side with DrPhilly on this one. When hospitals are overrun healthcare workers on the ground have to prioritize to the best of their ability, and sometimes that means grandpa gets morphine. I'd like to see this claim that children were used to deliberately infect the elderly substantiated. The elderly being lower priority when receiving Covid care is not any sort of revelation, and that claim seems incredibly sensational. The LA Times is doing a bit of editorializing, but there is evidence that's exactly what was on the table. The paper in nature is more thorough on what was going on behind the scenes. A large body of internal documents and public statements from various officials during 2020 verify that attainment of herd-immunity was in fact a significant consideration (Lindström, 2021; Nygren and Olofsson, 2021; Orlowski and Goldsmith, 2020; Habib, 2020; Giesecke, 2020; Sörensen, 2020, 2020e; Vogel, 2020; Larsson, 2021). Email conversations and statements from the State Epidemiologist and others show that they at least speculated on the use of children to acquire herd-immunity, while at the same time publicly claiming children played a negligible role in transmission and did not become ill (Vogel, 2020; Bjorklund and Ewing, 2020; Brusselaers et al., 2020). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5
April 3, 20223 yr Discussing how kids would be part of a plan for herd immunity, given that kids can gain antibodies naturally at low risk for severe infection, is not tantamount to getting kids sick specifically to infect the elderly as is alleged by that tweet.
April 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Discussing how kids would be part of a plan for herd immunity, given that kids can gain antibodies naturally at low risk for severe infection, is not tantamount to getting kids sick specifically to infect the elderly as is alleged by that tweet. Where are you seeing this in that tweet? I think you're confusing two separate things.
April 4, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Discussing how kids would be part of a plan for herd immunity, given that kids can gain antibodies naturally at low risk for severe infection, is not tantamount to getting kids sick specifically to infect the elderly as is alleged by that tweet. The "discussions" in the material from the links are media articles speculating about emails and not actual emails. One of the big things early on over here was discussion about what the experts had been communicating amongst themselves. Lots of non formal type email conversation was referenced and judged as if it was formal policy. In any case, in looking at the references, the closest thing I could find was a statement made the by the Swedish Fauci in early March 2020 saying that "there wasn't any evidence to date that showed that kids were a source of spread". Naturally, while he was correct at the time regarding "evidence" it wasn't really a good reason to keep schools open. Within a few weeks the high schools and universities were moved to virtual setups. In any case, that statement is the sort of comms that popped up early on in the internal expert discussions as they tried to determine what to do. We are talking March 2020 and into April 2020. btw - The authors of this review investigation are a mix of a freelance journalist, behavorial scientist, cancer specialist, primary care doctor, global studies researcher, chemistry professor, and philosophy/religion professor. Not one single expert in viral disease, pandemics, etc. They also do not point to any analysis of data specifically. The value in this paper is in understanding the Swedish system, who decided what on what grounds and when. That's a good thing since the Swedish system is absolute sheet in terms of establishing a breakdown of actual responsibility and ownership of issues.
April 4, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, Boogyman said: How many times is that in "Gs"? Edited my post it was 90 times, he’s a walking cell tower.
April 4, 20223 yr Fox News' Worst Lies About Covid-19 From 2021 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fox-news-worst-lies-about-covid-19-from-2021/ar-AAShvs5 Quote "But the virus itself, this is true, does tend to take away the life force in some people I notice. I mean it does feminize people. No one ever says that but it’s true,” Carlson insisted. Personal favorite. I guess the Donald and his sons were feminized, eh?
April 4, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Fox News' Worst Lies About Covid-19 From 2021 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fox-news-worst-lies-about-covid-19-from-2021/ar-AAShvs5 Personal favorite. I guess the Donald and his sons were feminized, eh? Bigly
April 4, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, DrPhilly said: The "discussions" in the material from the links are media articles speculating about emails and not actual emails. One of the big things early on over here was discussion about what the experts had been communicating amongst themselves. Lots of non formal type email conversation was referenced and judged as if it was formal policy. In any case, in looking at the references, the closest thing I could find was a statement made the by the Swedish Fauci in early March 2020 saying that "there wasn't any evidence to date that showed that kids were a source of spread". Naturally, while he was correct at the time regarding "evidence" it wasn't really a good reason to keep schools open. Within a few weeks the high schools and universities were moved to virtual setups. In any case, that statement is the sort of comms that popped up early on in the internal expert discussions as they tried to determine what to do. We are talking March 2020 and into April 2020. btw - The authors of this review investigation are a mix of a freelance journalist, behavorial scientist, cancer specialist, primary care doctor, global studies researcher, chemistry professor, and philosophy/religion professor. Not one single expert in viral disease, pandemics, etc. They also do not point to any analysis of data specifically. The value in this paper is in understanding the Swedish system, who decided what on what grounds and when. That's a good thing since the Swedish system is absolute sheet in terms of establishing a breakdown of actual responsibility and ownership of issues. The lead author is an epidemiologist, you idiot... I am an Associate Professor of Clinical Epidemiology (Docent) and Senior Researcher at Karolinska Institutet. https://staff.ki.se/people/nele-brusselaers Also amusing that you think a behavioral scientist doesn't have applicable expertise during a pandemic... Behavioural and social sciences are critical for pandemic prevention, preparedness and response https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/behavioural-and-social-sciences-are-critical-for-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response
April 4, 20223 yr On 4/3/2022 at 11:00 AM, DrPhilly said: Yep, some older people with underlying complications were not given the full treatment as they were deemed "not savable” and the resources were used for others. It is called triage. That’s what happens with national health care. Cancer, COVID, whatever, makes no different. I’ve seen that first hand in watching people lose cancer battles over here over the years and contrasting that with the full Blue Cross / Blue Shield care my mother was given in her long battle. The part about the kids is a complete utter fabrication. Death Panels?
April 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: Death Panels? That's what the GOP said about the Affordable Care Act. Still waiting for them now.
April 4, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: That's what the GOP said about the Affordable Care Act. Still waiting for them now. I waited four years for a replacement. Even a suggestion or outline. That was 5 years ago.
April 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: I waited four years for a replacement. Even a suggestion or outline. That was 5 years ago. Yep. America is Still waiting for the Trump/GOP Health Care Plan.
April 4, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yep. America is Still waiting for the Trump/GOP Health Care Plan. Big trade just now! I like it!
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