7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

🤣  Ironic and funny coming from someone with your "stature". 

Dude, wtf is your deal, obsessing over my wildly average height? And just following me around in general? Your level of maturity is barely high-school level. One dig at Florida talking to Vikas in the Phillies thread, and you lose you f***ing mind over it. Someone's overcompensating again...

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, "following you around".  Get over yourself.  I was reading through and couldn't resist.  And here you are, getting all bent........AGAIN. 

Florida?  That's long past, get over it.  I like you...you and your little purse.  

Hey, I'll be posting in the Flyers thread from time to time, just so you know.  I'm not following you around little guy.  🤣

 

I tend to agree with you in the Flyers thread. We actually have conversations there, not this back-and-forth dickwaving that I really don't have the time or patience for. 

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I pretty much agree, although I haven't see info saying it's less severe than Omicron, just that they more or less seem to be about the same (although we need more data on this). It is more transmissible, though, so if the level of severity is about the same, then the number of hospitalizations will be higher than last time around, and that last wave still did a number on hospitals. Still to many unvaxxed morons out there. So, like I said, wait and see.

No it won’t. The level of immunity/vaccination is much higher now which will more than offset things. Hope I’m right. 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

No it won’t. The level of immunity/vaccination is much higher now which will more than offset things. 

 

I hope you're right, and you might be, but I'm not so confident. We're not out of the woods yet.

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I hope you're right, and you might be, but I'm not so confident. We're not out of the woods yet.

Could be wrong of course but I’d be willing to bet I’m not. 

56 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I hope you're right, and you might be, but I'm not so confident. We're not out of the woods yet.

We're at ~35% percentage of BA.2 in sequenced cases. Europe is at like 80% or higher, and they're just now cresting. We're about 2-3 weeks behind them in the timeline, and wastewater surveillance in a few states is already showing a sharp surge in detected virus in collected samples. That, combined with the fact that Europe has higher levels immunity than us, means we will very likely see an uptick in cases by mid April. How large of an uptick is the million dollar question, though. As for how many hospitalizations this will drive, your guess is as good as any, but seasonality will be a factor (Jan vs Apr), as well as prior immunity (though waning in the boosted population is a concern too.) Anyone who was naturally infected with BA.1 should be very well protected against BA.2 though.

Ah, nothing quite like The Science™

 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

 

 

The Science would say that populations that spent the better part of the last two years in hard lockdowns limited community spread to the point that now they have little natural Immunity and are thus seeing cases explode. It probably would've been better for them overall to have gradually waded into this.

the science didn't "change". we learned more, and the virus changed.

in march 2020, we had zero experience fighting a novel and deadly virus that was piling up bodies in Italy, Spain, and NYC among other places. 

in march 2022, the original variant is much more rare having been superceded by a variant is more contagious but less deadly, we have vaccines that are very effective against severe illness, and have a much better idea of which groups are most at risk.

you're a moron being purposely obtuse. 

32 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

you're a moron being purposely obtuse. 

So what's new??

@EaglesRocker97   You had asked about BA.2 related hospitalizations, this is just the UK, so limited sample size and all, but it shows they're experiencing similar levels of hospitalization as they saw during the initial omicron wave.

 

Pandemic relief money spent on hotel, ballpark, ski slopes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pandemic-relief-money-spent-on-hotel-ballpark-ski-slopes/ar-AAVpkh9?ocid=BingNews

 

Fing Tom Brady got $1.3 million pandemic relief.

My guess is this is where the real grift is going on. Fast tracked funds with no oversight.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Pandemic relief money spent on hotel, ballpark, ski slopes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pandemic-relief-money-spent-on-hotel-ballpark-ski-slopes/ar-AAVpkh9?ocid=BingNews

 

Fing Tom Brady got $1.3 million pandemic relief.

My guess is this is where the real grift is going on. Fast tracked funds with no oversight.

I have a buddy that is a detective and works financials crimes…. you have no idea how many scams there have been for PPP money.  It fills his day. All day. Every day.  
 

Diaper Don also took millions for his businesses too.  If that isn’t worthy of federal pound me in the ass prison I don’t know what is. 

7 minutes ago, DBW said:

I have a buddy that is a detective and works financials crimes…. you have no idea how many scams there have been for PPP money.  It fills his day. All day. Every day.  
 

Diaper Don also took millions for his businesses too.  If that isn’t worthy of federal pound me in the ass prison I don’t know what is. 

Well, on 9/12 there were a-holes, Americans mind you, scamming victims and widows. Some people are just scum.

11 hours ago, Kz! said:

Ah, nothing quite like The Science™

 

This one doesn't sit well at all.  Is this guy advocating for closing things back up again?  A full shutdown was the wrong move, ultimately, although shutdowns in March 2020 could be justified because we didn't know anything.  Anything after March 2020 began to be too much (remember when everyone went to their fainting couches when Florida allowed people to walk on the beach in April 2020?).  We have long known that case numbers don't matter at all, despite the hysterics during the fall/winter 220 surge; all that matters is the initial point all along, if hospitals are overwhelmed.  With vaccination rates around 80-90%, hospitalizations will pretty much never be overwhelming.  So this is long overdue undoing of bad policy, which is fine.

10 hours ago, xzmattzx said:

This one doesn't sit well at all.  Is this guy advocating for closing things back up again?  A full shutdown was the wrong move, ultimately, although shutdowns in March 2020 could be justified because we didn't know anything.  Anything after March 2020 began to be too much (remember when everyone went to their fainting couches when Florida allowed people to walk on the beach in April 2020?).  We have long known that case numbers don't matter at all, despite the hysterics during the fall/winter 220 surge; all that matters is the initial point all along, if hospitals are overwhelmed.  With vaccination rates around 80-90%, hospitalizations will pretty much never be overwhelming.  So this is long overdue undoing of bad policy, which is fine.

Regional case numbers determine individual risk of infection, which could be helpful to gauge if you still have unvaccinated/unboosted members of your family. 

Also not sure where you're getting stats of 80-90% vaccinated, because that surely isn't in the US. And hospitalizations were clearly overwhelming not more than 2 months ago, so it's pretty naive to think it can't ever happen again in any state when only just over a quarter of the country is boosted.

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"When I saw those COVID protocols, I definitely had to take a second thought about whether I wanted to attend and exert my freedom to live as a free person and exercise my right to eat and drink at a reception like everyone else, despite not being vaccinated,” Donalds said. She said she learned of the protocols after having RSVP’d and made travel plans.

Carlson agreed, and offered Donalds a suggestion.

 

"Well maybe you do it anyway,” the Fox News host said. "Maybe you show up, as is your right as an American. They don’t own the White House, by the way. They don’t get to make the rules. And just attack the hors d’oeuvre table, and have like eleven glasses of champagne, throw your arm around Dr. Jill and breathe on her. I’m serious. Has it occurred to you to do that?”

Tucker Carlson telling unvaxxed dipstick to go to the White House and breathe on the first lady.

5 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

"Maybe you show up, as is your right as an American. They don’t own the White House, by the way. They don’t get to make the rules

Yeah, spot on Tucker. While you're at it, try showing up unannounced with an AR-15 slung around your shoulder. They don't get to make the rules that says you can't do that so you should definitely give it a shot.

Munson sent me this @DrPhilly

 

 

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Munson sent me this @DrPhilly

 

 

Well, the tweet is ridiculous.  There was never ever any denial whatsoever.  Not one inch worth.

Just quick skim shows this article to be 100% false.  There was never ever any holding back of any information.  Exactly the opposite.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Well, the tweet is ridiculous.  There was never ever any denial whatsoever.  Not one inch worth.

Just doing my duty as a conduit between you and Munson.

  

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Just doing my duty as a conduit between you and Munson.

  

JFC, dude, have some pride.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

JFC, dude, have some pride.

Doc has been dishonest about Sweden’s Covid-19 response throughout this thread.  Fwiw

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Just doing my duty as a conduit between you and Munson.

  

Sure.  Let him know the book is totally wrong in any assertion that info or facts were withheld. They were not.

On the other hand, one can certainly debate the use of the information and the policy decisions.  The big mistake was not protecting the nursing homes back in March/April.

 

btw - The difference in COVID deaths between Sweden and Norway is now moving under a 4:1 ratio and continues to drop.  We will probably end at about 2:1 with a good bit of that explainable in the early mistakes with the nursing homes, differences in the flu season of 2019, and most of the rest due to demographics.  Also, the ratio for Denmark to Sweden is now under 2:1 and dropping.  Same issues apply there.  Generally, these three followed the same basic policy measures overall when looked across the full spectrum and full length of the crisis.  Give that message to our old "friend".

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Doc has been dishonest about Sweden’s Covid-19 response throughout this thread.  Fwiw

I haven't been dishonest one single time.  Not once.  Happy to debate that if you like.

Sweden made some early bad decisions.  I've always said that.  Sweden was also much more restrictive in forced policy.  Some of that made no real difference since the group pressure and cultural norms were enough to ensure distancing, working from home, etc.  Other things were less restrictive such as never suspending in person primary schooling and not mandating masks.  So a mix which I've always been up front with the entire time.