July 20, 20205 yr Monday update. Feeling better today, however running mild on again off again fever. Kinda lethargic feeling but no headache, no congestion, no runny nose. Fever running between 99.3 and 101.0. More of an appetite today. That's about it.
July 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I almost snorted beer out of my nose when I saw that. I've only been able to watch about 90s at a time of that interview. I cannot stand prolonged exposure. I was hoping for more sound bites because it's just hard to watch
July 20, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, Mike030270 said: When did H1N1 get brought up? Trumpbots using whataboutism to deflect from the failures of their orange god. Par for the course here. 3 hours ago, mikemack8 said: As promised. It's been 15 days since I returned. I flew in one of those instant death machines - the haze of coronavirus was so thick in the cabin I could barely see the seat in front of me. We landed in the barren wasteland of COVID-19 MAGAbots that was once known as Florida, spent 10 days there, went to several beaches, then flew back in yet another steel tube of despair. My wife, daughter and I have made it through this horrific ordeal with nothing more than a tan. I guess we're the lucky ones. Get back to us in a few weeks.
July 20, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Trumpbots using whataboutism to deflect from the failures of their orange god. Par for the course here.
July 20, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He actually specifically said he didn't work on the response team. He was a WH staffer claiming he witnessed it, not that he was on the team. The video is here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4861530/ron-klein I cannot speak for others, but I've repeatedly said here that I don't fault Trump for the early response to the pandemic. Because there are so many unknowns with a novel virus. And you can look across the globe and see so many different timelines of when and how nations responded, and you find the US is pretty well in the middle of the bell curve when you're looking at early response. What is excruciatingly painful is watching his leadership and response to this pandemic get worse as we learn more and more about how to manage this. We know that it's pretty contagious (R0 around 3.0), and also MUCH more deadly than strains like H1N1. Testing is MUCH more critical, and more effective with COVID-19 than it was with H1N1, as H1N1 had already gotten out in the wild too much for testing to matter and the risks were lower with the significantly lower death rate. When you have a virus like COVID-19, testing is MUCH more important because it helps to identify where this thing is growing and where it isn't, and you can take corrective action that can save thousands of lives- that's NOT where we were with H1N1. And yet what is this president doing? he's complaining that we're testing too much and that's the problem. We also know that, with COVID-19, masks and face shields are highly effective in helping mitigate the spread in situations where social distancing is not possible. And what is this guy doing, after months of dealing with this pandemic and learning about what works? He's doing NOTHING to encourage people to wear masks, to social distance, etc. Because he sees this as all about him, and he just wants people to act normal so that he has a better shot at winning in November. Just ignore that grannies are dying, and that selfish kids who spring break and spread this to granny are a major problem. When you have a virus that is more contagious and more deadly than H1N1, comparing the response 2-4 mos after initial outbreaks is where things break differently. You think Klain's video says much more than it does. He says they were lucky because H1N1 wasn't as deadly as it could have been. H1N1 has a low case fatality rate (MUCH lower than COVID-19) and is half as contagious. What he is saying is we should have learned from the experience with H1N1, and yet here we are. He was literally warning us that we got lucky that time, and this time around we need to have our ish together. And we don't. Because the president is a moron. I don't particularly care for Biden. But I have zero doubt that he would be leading us much more effectively through a crisis like this. Because he would actually take it seriously and not seek to hide or diminish everything that makes him look bad. Most of this wall of text didn't make much sense to me. Here's what I got out of it: You do acknowledge that the beginning of this pandemic was a confusing mess due to the misinformation about the virus. Thanks for the concession. You're upset that Trump isn't encouraging people to wear masks. Fair. You think we should have learned from H1N1 and blame Trump for that. Ok, but don't Obama and Biden have some culpability there too? You don't like Biden but you have "zero doubt" that he would be doing a better job. Meh, ok. One of the things I find most interesting about the criticism of the Trump administration response to Covid is that when he stupidly said that he has "absolute authority" (or something like that) to manage the response to the virus in the states the anti Trump crowd went berserk. They should have. It was a dumb comment and it was totally inaccurate. What I don't get is, if we all agree he was wrong there, how can you hold him souly accountable for the response? Didn't we all agree that the State governors have more authority than the Fed?
July 20, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, Gannan said: Get back to us in a few weeks. So mikemack's argument here is that because coronavirus doesn't infect 100% of the people in a particular situation, there's nothing to worry about?
July 20, 20205 yr Mike Mack went to Florida and didn’t get Corona so there’s nothing to worry about folks. We can open the schools back up now.
July 20, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Mike Mack went to Florida and didn’t get Corona so there’s nothing to worry about folks. We can open the schools back up now. Has anyone gone to Portland and not gotten killed by a rioter? If so, we can close the book on that one too.
July 20, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Yea it's kind of messed up how we were all about our essential workers. Now to the hell with you and your store forcing me to wear a mask /sarcasm Yes I used to get thanked for my service, now I get told to go F myself daily.
July 20, 20205 yr They should have been buying masks from the beginning and they told the ONLY US manufacturer to F off basically. They failed in late January and can't tell me differently " https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html?outputType=amp "We are the last major domestic mask company,” he wrote on Jan. 23. "My phones are ringing now, so I don’t ‘need’ government business. I’m just letting you know that I can help you preserve our infrastructure if things ever get really bad. I’m a patriot first, businessman second.”
July 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Lloyd said: I know the country is full of pandemic-deniers and people screaming "hoax". But aside from Trump appealing to the most hardcore of his base, is there really that large of an audience ignorant enough to buy "Your kids gotta go back to school. Yeah, they'll probably get sick. But they'll just come home and get over it....and not infect mom or dad or grandma in the process."?? So, this guy with his polling and his staff who has their fingers on the pulse of their community says things like this, and there's an audience that says, "Yep...it's about time someone said this!"?? I really think you're wrong on this issue. Most of the European countries have been back to school for months and the studies coming out of there show that the virus has an almost negligible communication rate in younger children (both kids to kids and kids to adults). Check out the interview that NBC did with 5 top pediatricians last week. All five of them said that they would send their own kids back to school with no hesitation. Not to mention the fact that the statistics about abuse, suicide, drug use all suggest that statistically leaving kids home is far worse than sending them in this environment. We need to follow the science on this. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/back-school-what-doctors-say-about-children-covid-19-n1233550
July 20, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I really think you're wrong on this issue. Most of the European countries have been back to school for months and the studies coming out of there show that the virus has an almost negligible communication rate in younger children (both kids to kids and kids to adults). But don't studies also show that most European countries actually did the hard work of lockdown in order to lower the spread of the virus and thus earn a return to semi-normal life? Are we not one of the leading nations in terms of the spread of the virus? Quote Check out the interview that NBC did with 5 top pediatricians last week. All five of them said that they would send their own kids back to school with no hesitation. Not to mention the fact that the statistics about abuse, suicide, drug use all suggest that statistically leaving kids home is far worse than sending them in this environment. We need to follow the science on this. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/back-school-what-doctors-say-about-children-covid-19-n1233550 Yes, you've shared that before, no? My problem isn't with the concept of sending kids back to school. In regards to this Missouri Governor, it's the intellectual dishonesty of saying that "Kids will get infected, but they'll go home and get better" as if they're not going home to adults and possibly the elderly. Which of course would keep us in this endless cycle of debating the right things and wrong things to re-open during a pandemic. I'm not out here beating the drums for kids to stay home forever. If someone actually presents a thought-out plan on how to do this, I'll likely be on board. Right now, what we get is a lot of "Kids gotta go back to school! Suicides and drugs and stuff are getting worse because of it." and I'm not getting a lot of, "Here are the infection numbers we'd like to see in our towns/counties before reopening schools. Here are our plans to limit the exposure of teachers and staff."
July 20, 20205 yr Kids ain’t going back to school. Smart people know this. Idiots will have to find another babysitter until the pandemic is over.
July 21, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Lloyd said: But don't studies also show that most European countries actually did the hard work of lockdown in order to lower the spread of the virus and thus earn a return to semi-normal life? Are we not one of the leading nations in terms of the spread of the virus? Yes, you've shared that before, no? My problem isn't with the concept of sending kids back to school. In regards to this Missouri Governor, it's the intellectual dishonesty of saying that "Kids will get infected, but they'll go home and get better" as if they're not going home to adults and possibly the elderly. Which of course would keep us in this endless cycle of debating the right things and wrong things to re-open during a pandemic. I'm not out here beating the drums for kids to stay home forever. If someone actually presents a thought-out plan on how to do this, I'll likely be on board. Right now, what we get is a lot of "Kids gotta go back to school! Suicides and drugs and stuff are getting worse because of it." and I'm not getting a lot of, "Here are the infection numbers we'd like to see in our towns/counties before reopening schools. Here are our plans to limit the exposure of teachers and staff." I don't think I posted that particular one before, but I may have. The studies I'm referencing have nothing to do with the lock down, they have to do with Covid positive kids and measuring communicability to other children and to adults. I agree that guy sounds like an idiot, but I don't think he's factually wrong. The problem is, to your point, the fear from parents and teachers is driving the narrative here and the science doesn't seem to support it. What's worse, is this issue is now political and both the Fed (read Trump) and the teachers unions have gotten involved and are picking sides. I really think this out to be a plan laid out by Fauci and DeVos and States should follow suit based upon their current situation (or not). The situation we're in now is just chaos. There should absolutely be alternatives for parents who aren't comfortable sending their kids, but shuttering schools out of fear alone is a bad strategy for everyone...especially kids.
July 21, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I really think this out to be a plan laid out by Fauci and DeVos and States should follow suit based upon their current situation (or not). The situation we're in now is just chaos. Hey, a plan would be lovely. Without a plan, it all sounds like "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" "REOPEN THE ECONOMY" all over again. Which is, rushing towards an end goal (getting people to spend money again, or getting kids in school so parents can go to work and spend money again) without considering the necessary steps to EARN that end goal. It's almost like the MLB and NFL trying to start up again...ya know, like we know how this story is gonna end. So can we at least pretend to be smart and cautious as we inevitably keep ourselves buried in this pandemic until scientists bail us out with a vaccine?
July 21, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, hey suess said: Kids ain’t going back to school. Smart people know this. Idiots will have to find another babysitter until the pandemic is over. I’m listening to the board meeting for our district. They’re going to try to go back.
July 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, DBW said: I’m listening to the board meeting for our district. They’re going to try to go back. I don’t doubt it. There’s a section of people who want nothing more than the schools to re-open, for many reasons. For a large number of parents, the reason is simply, they are too lazy to teach their own kids, and they want a babysitting service. They talk a good game about education, but let’s be honest, their kids probably spent the summer watching YouTube videos of how to make Glitter Slime while over at the @vikas83 house they were practicing calculus.
July 21, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, hey suess said: I don’t doubt it. There’s a section of people who want nothing more than the schools to re-open, for many reasons. For a large number of parents, the reason is simply, they are too lazy to teach their own kids, and they want a babysitting service. They talk a good game about education, but let’s be honest, their kids probably spent the summer watching YouTube videos of how to make Glitter Slime while over at the @vikas83 house they were practicing calculus. My wife is a teacher....I’m on both sides of this and stuck in the middle at the same time. There’s one thing I can assure you of though. No matter what they or any district does, it’s guaranteed to be a Fing mess this year.
July 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, DBW said: My wife is a teacher....I’m on both sides of this and stuck in the middle at the same time. There’s one thing I can assure you of though. No matter what they or any district does, it’s guaranteed to be a Fing mess this year. Particularly concerning considering the amount of time they've had to contemplate this.
July 21, 20205 yr Just now, lynched1 said: Particularly concerning considering the amount of time they've had to contemplate this. Absolutely! The technology for remote learning is there, every student will have a chrome book, etc, but teachers have not been trained well enough or at all to teach remotely for an extended time. It’s not the same as being in the classroom and many teachers are older (potential at risk age) and are "dinosaurs” really. They don’t want to be in school but also can’t teach effectively from home. Parents want choice, but how can you have some kids home some in school, etc. if a Teacher gets sick, they will struggle To find subs who are willing to come in for very little pay with zero Health benefits. Transportation is a major issue. Buses are crowded as is. If drivers get sick who drives? They’ve been talking about leasing more buses and hiring retired truckers. That sounds safe. 😟 like I said, a Fing mess.
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