February 2, 20215 yr 12 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Joe is a bit dramatic, but it's true that we really haven't even turned the corner yet. Fareed Zakaria had a good take on the global situation yesterday. That is a very optimistic view, it is way worse. That wall Trump wants, it will be built, hatred towards illegals will skyrocket thanks to Fox News and other places pointing out every time a an Illegal spreads the virus. Economies will crumble, more people will be living in poverty, more laws throughout the world restricting freedoms. Sure right now many people are puttingn up with things because they think it is temporary but when everyone realizes it is not things will get bad.
February 2, 20215 yr 12 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: That is a very optimistic view, it is way worse. That wall Trump wants, it will be built, hatred towards illegals will skyrocket thanks to Fox News and other places pointing out every time a an Illegal spreads the virus. Economies will crumble, more people will be living in poverty, more laws throughout the world restricting freedoms. Sure right now many people are puttingn up with things because they think it is temporary but when everyone realizes it is not things will get bad. That's a very negative view to take though? Why do you believe that this is not temporary?
February 2, 20215 yr 21 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: That is a very optimistic view, it is way worse. That wall Trump wants, it will be built, hatred towards illegals will skyrocket thanks to Fox News and other places pointing out every time a an Illegal spreads the virus. Economies will crumble, more people will be living in poverty, more laws throughout the world restricting freedoms. Sure right now many people are puttingn up with things because they think it is temporary but when everyone realizes it is not things will get bad. You may as well just check out mate
February 2, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: You may as well just check out mate I mean... Yeah I've said this to people recently actually! If we can't be positive and look to the end of this then we all may as well check out.
February 2, 20215 yr 13 hours ago, Gannan said: It's been like a week into his presidency and I'm still getting robo calls about my vehicles extended warranty. Not a good start for Biden! When I'm really bored I'll let the call go through to a sales person and then I'll act like I'm trying to sell them life insurance. I never give them a single answer, only more questions about them and their family in the event something should happen to them. They usually tire of me and hang up. Otherwise everything goes to voicemail. I never answer if I don't know the person.
February 2, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: That's a very negative view to take though? Why do you believe that this is not temporary? Yes it is very negative, I see no evidence of this ending ever, like I said even if 1 billion people are vaccinated this year like it is hoped, that is not even close to enough and all those people will need to be vaccinated again by the time everyone in the world is, there will be more variants resistant to the vaccines, By the time the vaccines is updated and tested and then distributed again it will be years again, it is an endless loop. 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: You may as well just check out mate In a way I have, I no longer go out much, I lost my Job due to the virus and may not get it back. Millions are in the same position. I am willing to listen to a reason to be positive but I never get any positivity when I ask for it al l get in response is that I am too negative.
February 2, 20215 yr I think people are watching and following the news too much. Everyone needs to remember that the media will sensationalise headlines. Look at Dr Fauci's press conference yesterday. My friend messaged me to say that things are so bad and that there is no protection against the South African variant. That's not what he said at all. He actually said that the vaccine is not as effective against the strain but that it is still effective. That the vaccine greatly reduces hospitalizations and deaths which is ultimately the whole point in the vaccine. And that by getting the vaccine we can greatly reduce mutations.
February 2, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I think people are watching and following the news too much. Everyone needs to remember that the media will sensationalise headlines. Look at Dr Fauci's press conference yesterday. My friend messaged me to say that things are so bad and that there is no protection against the South African variant. That's not what he said at all. He actually said that the vaccine is not as effective against the strain but that it is still effective. That the vaccine greatly reduces hospitalizations and deaths which is ultimately the whole point in the vaccine. And that by getting the vaccine we can greatly reduce mutations. I think this is one of the few times the media is being overly optimistic
February 2, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I think this is one of the few times the media is being overly optimistic Are you kidding? I've stopped watching the news because it is all doom and gloom all of the time.
February 2, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Are you kidding? I've stopped watching the news because it is all doom and gloom all of the time. I guess I am Super Doom and Super Gloom ...The only good news is nothing will stop Football from playing like I said before. I Guaranteed the NFL would play and was right, money rules
February 2, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I guess I am Super Doom and Super Gloom ...The only good news is nothing will stop Football from playing like I said before. I Guaranteed the NFL would play and was right, money rules We are going to be living with COVID for the rest of our lives but it will not put the restrictions on us that we are currently experiencing. We have to believe that because otherwise we will all just give up.
February 2, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: We are going to be living with COVID for the rest of our lives but it will not put the restrictions on us that we are currently experiencing. We have to believe that because otherwise we will all just give up. I pray you are right but the reality just does does not suggest that right now. The virus is winning . The vaccine rollout has been terrible and even if perfect it would be almost impossible to stay ahead of it
February 2, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I pray you are right but the reality just does does not suggest that right now. The virus is winning . The vaccine rollout has been terrible and even if perfect it would be almost impossible to stay ahead of it It is terrible in some places. It is one of the few good things the UK Government have managed so far.
February 2, 20215 yr 57 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: In a way I have, I no longer go out much, I lost my Job due to the virus and may not get it back. Millions are in the same position. I am willing to listen to a reason to be positive but I never get any positivity when I ask for it al l get in response is that I am too negative. Understood. I think there are two options. One - We manage to knock this thing out. That might take a couple of years but it is a very plausible outcome. Ultimately, we will be able to get the manufacturing and distribution issues solved enough to get ahead of the virus and knock it out. Two - We aren't able to take this thing out. Over time our adaptation will adjust and we will be able to develop a society that manages to reconcile the existence of the virus and its associated risks with a reasonable set of general conditions. Restaurants will open again and the economy will recover. Some things may be different but overall we will get an acceptable new normal. It might include measures that we take to limit the spread. Handshakes and hugs may become a thing of the past for example. Longer term I'm not worried at all.
February 2, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Yes it is very negative, I see no evidence of this ending ever, like I said even if 1 billion people are vaccinated this year like it is hoped, that is not even close to enough and all those people will need to be vaccinated again by the time everyone in the world is, there will be more variants resistant to the vaccines, By the time the vaccines is updated and tested and then distributed again it will be years again, it is an endless loop. We don’t need everyone in the world to be vaccinated all at once. While that would be great, obviously that isn’t happening. All that is needed to get life back to "normal” is for the vaccine to be able to reduce hospitalizations and deaths to the point where COVID is like the flu. Also, it is relatively easy for mRNA vaccines to be altered to account for new variants. I’m sorry you lost your job, that sucks man. I hope you are able to get your job back and soon.
February 2, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I think this is one of the few times the media is being overly optimistic I think there is reason for optimism, but it does seem a little too unbridled in my mind. We're not of the woods yet. I think there's a delicate balance between positivity and raising expectations too high or otherwise giving people false hope.
February 2, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: We don’t need everyone in the world to be vaccinated all at once. While that would be great, obviously that isn’t happening. All that is needed to get life back to "normal” is for the vaccine to be able to reduce hospitalizations and deaths to the point where COVID is like the flu. Also, it is relatively easy for mRNA vaccines to be altered to account for new variants. I’m sorry you lost your job, that sucks man. I hope you are able to get your job back and soon. What worries me most about the variants is the increase in transmissibility in them. The more the R0 increases the higher the cutoff gets to reach herd immunity or even any semblance of herd immunity. Seems like a pipe dream now.
February 2, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: We are going to be living with COVID for the rest of our lives but it will not put the restrictions on us that we are currently experiencing. I think this is the reasonable outlook at this stage. It will very possibly go from being an epidemic disease to an endemic one.
February 2, 20215 yr 7 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: It will take years to get the World vaccinated and most likely by that time it will have to be done again and then again, plus more variants. I can't see most people putting up with masks and social distancing forever, there will be riots. Don't remember where I heard it but it is projected that 1 Billion will be vaccinated by the end of the year, sounds great if you don't know the World's population. Not turned the corner? we won't see the corner in our lifetimes. Travel like it was is gone, you will need negative tests, masks, temp checks to go anywhere. This is my cousin's attitude. It will never go away so dont wear masks, dont social distance. Live your life. You're going to get it eventually. It probably won't kill you when you do. If it does, it was your time. She just flew down to Florida for the second time in 2 months. Let's just say her and I strongly disagree on this attitude.
February 2, 20215 yr Heh. Quote UK variant has mutated again, scientists say The Kent variant of coronavirus that has been spreading in the UK appears to be undergoing some 'worrying' new genetic changes, say scientists. Tests on some samples show a mutation, called E484K, already seen in the South Africa and Brazil variants that are of concern. Although this change may reduce vaccine effectiveness, the current ones in use should still work, say experts. The UK has already stepped up measures to control the spread of new variants. Urgent testing for the South Africa variant is starting in parts of England and travel restrictions have been introduced to stop more cases entering from abroad. Experts working with Public Health England have only found a handful of cases of the UK variant with the E484K mutation - it was seen in 11 out of 214,159 samples that they tested. It's not unexpected that variants are appearing or that they will continue to change - all viruses mutate as they make new copies of themselves to spread and thrive. Dr Julian Tang, a virus expert at the University of Leicester, described the finding as "a worrying development, though not entirely unexpected". He said it was important people follow the lockdown rules and get cases of coronavirus down to prevent opportunities for the virus to mutate further. "Otherwise not only can the virus continue to spread, it can also evolve." He said that allowing spread could allow a "melting pot" for different emerging variants. Scientists have already been checking what these new mutations might mean for existing coronavirus vaccines that were designed around earlier versions of the virus that started the pandemic. Some research appears to show E484K may help the virus evade parts of the immune system called antibodies. But early results from Moderna suggest its vaccine is still effective against variants with this mutation - although the body's immune response may not be as strong or prolonged. Two new coronavirus vaccines that could be approved soon - one from Novavax and another from Janssen - also appear to offer good cover against variants, protecting against serious illness. Even in the worst case scenario, vaccines can be redesigned and tweaked to be a better match in a matter or weeks or months, if necessary, say experts. A silver lining may be that the variants are mutating in a similar way rather than diverging from each other. Prof Ravi Gupta from the University of Cambridge said: "This gives us a sign that it has certain favoured routes - and we can work to block those off with a vaccine." Former UK health secretary Jeremy Hunt said the race was on to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible in order to keep a step ahead of the virus. Measures such as washing your hands, keeping your distance from other people and wearing a face covering will still help prevent infections.https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900625
February 2, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: We are going to be living with COVID for the rest of our lives but it will not put the restrictions on us that we are currently experiencing. We have to believe that because otherwise we will all just give up. Not just from a psychological perspective, but also from a scientific one. This virus does not mutate nearly as fast as the flu. It takes a while for the surface proteins to recombine in meaningful ways on coronaviruses. Heck it took 9 months for variants to emerge that were more contagious and virulent than previously predominant strains. Meanwhile, Moderna's first mRNA candidate was developed in a matter of days once the first strain was sequenced. And the entire reason why the UK and SA strains are emerging is because of how much unmitigated spread there is in those regions. Mutations are like lottery tickets. And each time this virus passes from one human to another, is like the virus buying a lottery ticket. The vast majority of lottery tickets don't hit on a number, but the ones that do hit on at least one number can be seen as a mutation in the genetic code. Now just because you hit one number, doesn't mean that mutation will amount to anything. You have to hit all the right numbers in the right order to win the lottery, and that's what the UK and SA strains have done after several months. So how do we stop the virus from mutating as much to mitigate the risk of more virulent variants? We stop it from buying lottery tickets, and that's exactly what the current vaccines will result in. Fewer lottery tickets = fewer mutations = fewer dominant strains until eventually, we get this under control and outbreaks only become regional. It's for this reason that I don't think we will have to live with this for the rest of our lives, just as we don't have to live with malaria or polio, or other pathogens that are still present in some regions, but not in the majority of regions.
February 2, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think this is the reasonable outlook at this stage. It will very possibly go from being an epidemic disease to an endemic one. I think we have to accept that life may well change going forwards. I can see them encouraging the use of masks in supermarkets. I can see them keeping the sanitisers that we now have in supermarkets to clean trolleys etc. I can see them putting some things in place that will be with us certainly for the medium term but I don't think we will have these restrictions on us for much more than the next 6-12 months. I think in the UK our summer will be pretty free (within our own country). Maybe I am being too optimistic but if I think of the worst case then I will spiral in to a negative mindset.
February 2, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Heh. Great they can adjust the vaccine, problem is every new vaccine has to be tested for months then distributed to everyone in the world, that takes years. Do people seriously believe that lets say in a few months, there won't be a variant that makes the current vaccine almost useless?
February 2, 20215 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: Great they can adjust the vaccine, problem is every new vaccine has to be tested for months then distributed to everyone in the world, that takes years It won't take years to distribute it to a majority of the population of the US. You look at life as if it were a step function. It's not. Deep breaths my dude, we are gonna get through this and be stronger for it.
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