Not that I had any first hand info but dr Conley is the brother of someone I know And who I saw that that Saturday after trump flew out of the WH with corona. It’s no surprise to me the report today that his blood ox was below 80?  That’s serious. We watched that 1st presser and we knew it was serious even though she could have no contact with her own brother during this time.  None. They took his personal cell.  Maybe I’ll live long enough to meet him again when he’s retired.  He’s a Dr, not a politician. Navy.   I was sad to see him forced into that position.  Thankfully Trump recovered. They saved his life.  

Confusing. I thought you still had to wear mask and be socially distant. 

 

 

Someone help me please. We are getting reports in the UK that social distancing and restrictions are to remain in place until the autumn or even the end of the year! And that's with our vaccine programme going really well. What is going on! If the vaccine isn't the route out of this then what is! I am starting to get in to a dark head space again where there is no end in sight and this is the rest of our lives.

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Someone help me please. We are getting reports in the UK that social distancing and restrictions are to remain in place until the autumn or even the end of the year! And that's with our vaccine programme going really well. What is going on! If the vaccine isn't the route out of this then what is! I am starting to get in to a dark head space again where there is no end in sight and this is the rest of our lives.

As we've discussed in here the timeline is getting longer and longer.  In a nutshell, it will take much longer to vaccinate the population then what we've originally been advertising.

As always, just remember that you need to stop complaining or looking into any details here.  Just wear your damn mask and STFU.

edit: Did I mention that it is "very easy" and that there is "nothing to discuss"?

30 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

As we've discussed in here the timeline is getting longer and longer.  In a nutshell, it will take much longer to vaccinate the population then what we've originally been advertising.

As always, just remember that you need to stop complaining or looking into any details here.  Just wear your damn mask and STFU.

edit: Did I mention that it is "very easy" and that there is "nothing to discuss"?

Just feels like there's nothing to look forward to anymore.

Schmoopie and I got an appointment

1 hour ago, paco said:

Schmoopie and I got an appointment

Lucky you, I’m giving up trying to get appt. This is what I get to see, every try. Rite aid site doesn’t work past the select location page.

 

1 hour ago, paco said:

Schmoopie and I got an appointment

You are both 1a?  I have a few friends that got called but aren’t 1a. I’m waiting my turn, not even trying.  

Cuomo is f-d. 

All of his daily self praise early on was a bit too much for me and I always felt like he was the opposite end of trump...but not in a good way. 

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Confusing. I thought you still had to wear mask and be socially distant. 

 

 

It's only confusing if you don't know that quarantine requirements are different from social distancing and mask restrictions. We also are starting to get data that confirms the suspicions of vaccines providing sterilizing immunity.

Cuomo is literally a comic book level super-villain and the left praised him like he was a god. @DEagle7

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Someone help me please. We are getting reports in the UK that social distancing and restrictions are to remain in place until the autumn or even the end of the year! And that's with our vaccine programme going really well. What is going on! If the vaccine isn't the route out of this then what is! I am starting to get in to a dark head space again where there is no end in sight and this is the rest of our lives.

Haven't heard that. I could see this being the case if b1.351 was emerging there but to my knowledge it's not. Can you provide a link to the reports? Could be that there will be partial restrictions left in place for the portion of the population that remains unvaccinated. I know the whole "immunity passport" gets people on edge here, but it's one way to make both sides of the fence happy in situations like this.

Never forget, the cowardice of politicians is responsible for this.

1 hour ago, DiPros said:

You are both 1a?  I have a few friends that got called but aren’t 1a. I’m waiting my turn, not even trying.  

Yeah.  Schmoopie got in because she works for a school and I got in for work reasons as well.  

Update on the vaccine front, the 3rd mRNA candidate (this one from curevac) is now under a rolling review by the EU's equivalent of the FDA. Should help alleviate supply issues as more of these gain approval. Though after this one, I'm not sure if there are many other promising candidates. The other ones were either a bit further behind in trials or had questionable efficacy based on phase I data. We might be left with just these 5 or 6 for a while.

UPDATE 1-EU regulator begins real-time review of CureVac's COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccine-europe/update-1-eu-regulator-begins-real-time-review-of-curevacs-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL4N2KI1OM

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

Confusing. I thought you still had to wear mask and be socially distant. 

You do, but it seems that the risk of transmission is low enough that the CDC is judging that quarantine isn't necessary, but basic precautions should still be followed.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Cuomo is literally a comic book level super-villain and the left praised him like he was a god. @DEagle7

Yep, you nailed it. I praised him like a god 

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yep, you nailed it. I praised him like a god 

Maybe not, but you got super butthurt when I suggested sending covid patients into nursing homes was an awful idea. I believe you said they were uniquely suited to handle coronavirus. That turned out to be epically wrong, of course. 

Anyway, Walsh brings up a good point here. There's a solid chance the ships were kept empty for political purposes. Yes, the implications are that Cuomo would rather kill the elderly than accept help from Trump for political purposes:

If we had real media, this would be a huge scandal. But, you know, Cuomo's a democrat, so instead of criticism, he wins an Emmy. lmfao

I believe that the Wolfe administration should be investigated in a very similar manner because of the insane amounts of deaths in nursing homes.  Or is my TDS showing?

 

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Maybe not, but you got super butthurt when I suggested sending covid patients into nursing homes was an awful idea. I believe you said they were uniquely suited to handle coronavirus. That turned out to be epically wrong, of course. 

Anyway, Walsh brings up a good point here. There's a solid chance the ships were kept empty for political purposes. Yes, the implications are that Cuomo would rather kill the elderly than accept help from Trump for political purposes:

If we had real media, this would be a huge scandal. But, you know, Cuomo's a democrat, so instead of criticism, he wins an Emmy. lmfao

Second most deaths in the US next to California, but with HALF the positive cases of CA.  You really showed Trump, Cuomo!  Great job! 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's only confusing if you don't know that quarantine requirements are different from social distancing and mask restrictions. We also are starting to get data that confirms the suspicions of vaccines providing sterilizing immunity.

help me out here.  If you get the vaccine it lowers the risk of you getting it or lessens the impact or severity of it if you do get it right?  But you still wear a mask and stay 6 feet apart and all that.  Because you don't want to get it, or spread it to others.  You still aren't immune though right?

If you come in contact with someone positive with COVID-19, you don't have to quarantine and can still go out with a mask and keep 6 feet apart you don't have to stay holed up in your house.  I'm not connecting the dots.  if the vaccine means no change if you come in contact with someone with it, then what is the need for mask and socially distancing?  I'm not arguing, I don't follow this stuff and don't know.  Thanks in advance.  

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Maybe not, but you got super butthurt when I suggested sending covid patients into nursing homes was an awful idea. I believe you said they were uniquely suited to handle coronavirus. That turned out to be epically wrong, of course. 

Anyway, Walsh brings up a good point here. There's a solid chance the ships were kept empty for political purposes. Yes, the implications are that Cuomo would rather kill the elderly than accept help from Trump for political purposes:

If we had real media, this would be a huge scandal. But, you know, Cuomo's a democrat, so instead of criticism, he wins an Emmy. lmfao

Yeah not even close.  I pointed out that there is a big difference between retirement homes and skilled nursing facilities. The latter being the place hospitals offload sick and even dying patients who require ongoing care but don't require hospitalization, especially when they're worried about capacity. I also called Cuomo an a-hole.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

help me out here.  If you get the vaccine it lowers the risk of you getting it or lessens the impact or severity of it if you do get it right?  But you still wear a mask and stay 6 feet apart and all that.  Because you don't want to get it, or spread it to others.  You still aren't immune though right?

If you come in contact with someone positive with COVID-19, you don't have to quarantine and can still go out with a mask and keep 6 feet apart you don't have to stay holed up in your house.  I'm not connecting the dots.  if the vaccine means no change if you come in contact with someone with it, then what is the need for mask and socially distancing?  I'm not arguing, I don't follow this stuff and don't know.  Thanks in advance.  

When the first interim results showed 95% efficacy, we suspected some levels of sterilizing immunity. Meaning the antibodies developed by your immune system can start attacking the virus quickly before it has a chance to replicate enough to cause severe disease, but likely also fast enough such that you won't be infectious to others for very long, if at all. The hope being that the antibodies sterilize the virus before it can infect you to the point where you can infect others. We're just now starting to get some data that this might be the case to some degree.

So with that in mind, if you've been vaccinated and you come into contact with someone, quarantining is likely not needed as you should have some degree of sterilizing immunity and coupled with mask wearing, greatly lessens the chance of infecting others even if the virus were to have replicated enough to cause you to be infectious (again, starting to look doubtful based on what we're gathering.)

At the end of the day, you're right that 95% is not 100%. But it's always been about risk mitigation, not absolute elimination. And that 5% risk is greatly mitigated by the fact that you're wearing a mask and keeping 6 ft away from others. Back during the summer, there was a report of hair stylists and barbers who had tested positive and then had to inform all their clients that they were exposed and needed to get tested as well. In the states/cities where mask mandates were in effect and thus both clients and stylists had to wear masks to get their hair cut, not a single client also tested positive. Obviously you can't cut someone's hair from 6 ft away, so the masks must've helped to greatly reduce the client's risk of exposure even though there were in direct contact with someone who later tested positive. 

TL/DR: It's the swiss cheese approach in effect. Mitigation via vaccines, plus masks, plus social distancing means no more quarantines for those in direct contact with someone who was positive. As we gather more data on sterilizing immunity, we can make more informed decisions from a public health policy perspective and return to some semblance of normalcy. Personally speaking, we've been fairly cautious throughout the past 9 months. Limited contact with friends and extended family. Haven't been to a restaurant since last summer. Wear masks when gathering with neighbors so the kids can go sledding etc. That being said, our confidence in the vaccines is high enough that we're discussing potentially planning a vacation sometime in the fall / winter under the assumption we'd both be able to get the shots. If the stars align and our kids can get them too, then we're going balls to the wall to make up for lost time. 

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yeah not even close.  I pointed out that there is a big difference between retirement homes and skilled nursing facilities. The latter being the place hospitals offload sick and even dying patients who require ongoing care but don't require hospitalization, especially when they're worried about capacity. I also called Cuomo an a-hole.

lol, no. You pretty much threw a temper tantrum over the suggestion Cuomo made a horrible choice. I specifically remember you challenging me to come up with better options when the topic came up. Whelp, looks like Cuomo's decision was so awful, he had to lie to cover up the extent of the damage he did.

29 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Second most deaths in the US next to California, but with HALF the positive cases of CA.  You really showed Trump, Cuomo!  Great job! 

Chief, it was literally the first major metro to be hit with COVID back when no one knew how to properly treat it.  You can't be this brain dead, can you?