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https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/11/here-are-the-groups-who-dont-want-a-vaccine-and-trump-voters-are-near-top/?sh=567109554947

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Slippery slope.  I'm certainly not opposed to the vaccine and will get it when my phase comes up in PA which the way Wolf is managing this may be sometime in 2029, but implementing that kind of system for travel will be a massive pain.  Is there going to be a standard Covid vaccine ID?  crap, the fed pushed back the mandate for state IDs to become compliant with TSA continuously for about 10 years because states couldn't/wouldn't do it.  It would be a flipping disaster and may be a HIPPA violation.  My wife works in the travel industry.  It's already FUBAR'd enough.  They don't need to be dealing with that right now either.

If you're vaccinated then you should feel safe.  Otherwise what was the point.  Let natural selection take care of the rest.

It would be a pain to enforce, but I believe people who are vaccinated get some kind of evidence of the fact. Kids need to be vaccinated for school, so likely something similar. 

If one airline checked for vaccination and one didn't -- I'll fly the 1st one. Truth is I don't really care about getting COVID once I am vaccinated, but I have to think unvaccinated morons will be annoying AF on a flight -- crying babies, fighting with flight attendants, etc.  It's like an intelligence screening.

8 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

No. It was quoted weird there, but those were two separate responses separated by a quote. Like so:

Go back and read it. It wasn't a quote of CNN. It was his opinion. 

 

For someone that is so smart, you're acting pretty dumb on this.  Anti-vaxxing on MMR is one thing. Anti-vaxxing on COVID trial / EUA vaccines is a whole different ball game.

No, they can't.  

You are going to be forced to get the vaccine and they are going to get an Illegal alien to shove it in your ass

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

You are going to be forced to get the vaccine and they are going to get an Illegal alien to shove it in your ass

 

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

You are going to be forced to get the vaccine and they are going to get an Illegal alien to shove it in your ass

Let’s just get Rambo to do the job. No need to call in the aliens. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It would be a pain to enforce, but I believe people who are vaccinated get some kind of evidence of the fact. Kids need to be vaccinated for school, so likely something similar. 

If one airline checked for vaccination and one didn't -- I'll fly the 1st one. Truth is I don't really care about getting COVID once I am vaccinated, but I have to think unvaccinated morons will be annoying AF on a flight -- crying babies, fighting with flight attendants, etc.  It's like an intelligence screening.

That's moreso for school health records I think and not for public disclosure like having an ID.  Most public schools the anti-vax morons just sign some kind of waiver as to why their kids aren't vaccinated.  Once I get my vaccine, since I'll likely be last in line, I don't really care what the rest have done.  I'll hop in the steel tube petri dish and hurdle through the ski at 500mph with confidence.  If some **** decided not to get vaccinated and dies from getting covid on that flight so be it. 

One thing I will never do again is get on a cruise ship.  That's just because they suck to begin with unless you like being led around like a sheep to get on and off the ship, are 600lbs smoking in a casino 24/7 on your mobility scooter or being crammed in a tiny ass room.

2 hours ago, IFB DOG said:

Read the thread. You think I and others are idiots for not getting vaccinated.

I think you're an idiot for being factually incorrect on several things you've stated here, all in an attempt to prove to others why refusing to get vaccinated is the proper choice. 

You incorrectly stated an mRNA vaccine changes your DNA, then again incorrectly stated it changes your RNA, and then continue to incorrectly state it's not actually a vaccine. You talk about not knowing the long-term effects of the vaccine but completely ignore the long-term effects of getting covid, even for those who aren't old or overweight. You portray indifference to the elderly who for one reason or another may not be able to get vaccinated. You bring up the AZ bloodclotting cases when it's not approved here, and very little is known there, let alone enough to show causation. And then you resort to a no true Scotsman fallacy when it comes to the best option we have to reduce transmission of the worst pandemic in a century. 

If you had come here and simply said, "I'm not sure I'm gonna get the vaccine yet, I'd rather wait until it's fully approved by the FDA instead." I doubt anyone would've taken much issue with that and that would've been the end of it. But you instead chose to act like a petulant dewsh and showed us how stupid you really are. Unfortunately, moving the goalposts now won't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

1 minute ago, rambo said:

That's moreso for school health records I think and not for public disclosure like having an ID.  Most public schools the anti-vax morons just sign some kind of waiver as to why their kids aren't vaccinated.  Once I get my vaccine, since I'll likely be last in line, I don't really care what the rest have done.  I'll hop in the steel tube petri dish and hurdle through the ski at 500mph with confidence.  If some **** decided not to get vaccinated and dies from getting covid on that flight so be it. 

One thing I will never do again is get on a cruise ship.  That's just because they suck to begin with unless you like being led around like a sheep to get on and off the ship, are 600lbs smoking in a casino 24/7 on your mobility scooter or being crammed in a tiny ass room.

My parents love cruises, and they sound like the seventh circle of hell to me. You honestly couldn't pay me enough to get on one of those floating death traps.

17 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, it's the same. I may be Indian, but I'm not a doctor. I'll listen to my actual doctor to whom I pay tens of thousands of dollars. 

Watching this is giving me PTSD from 2008-2009, when every idiot on the planet somehow designated himself a financial market expert. Now, everyone is an expert on medicine and vaccines. It has to make doctors want to scream.

Dude this is CVON.  Everybody is an expert on every topic 10 minutes after something happens.

14 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

You are going to be forced to get the vaccine and they are going to get an Illegal alien to shove it in your ass

That was pretty good Joe

Just now, vikas83 said:

My parents love cruises, and they sound like the seventh circle of hell to me. You honestly couldn't pay me enough to get on one of those floating death traps.

I have friends who love them.  I despise them.  They convinced my wife to go a few years ago and I reluctantly agreed because happy wife happy life yada yada.  Thought divorce was imminent about 10 minutes after boarding.  A tiny cabin with 2 adults and 2 kids.  They try to up charge you on everything.  You don't get to spend nearly enough time on an island to enjoy it.  It's hurry up go do an activity and get back to the boat.

I really need to go on an Adult's only all-inclusive trip with the wife when this craps all over.  We go on one every year as a break from life.  We usually go to Secrets resorts since the wife can snag some awesome deals with EE perks and stuff at cost.  That's my jam.  Park my ass at the pool bar or beach and drink and eat the day away with no kids to bother us.

6 minutes ago, rambo said:

That's moreso for school health records I think and not for public disclosure like having an ID.  Most public schools the anti-vax morons just sign some kind of waiver as to why their kids aren't vaccinated.  Once I get my vaccine, since I'll likely be last in line, I don't really care what the rest have done.  I'll hop in the steel tube petri dish and hurdle through the ski at 500mph with confidence.  If some **** decided not to get vaccinated and dies from getting covid on that flight so be it. 

One thing I will never do again is get on a cruise ship.  That's just because they suck to begin with unless you like being led around like a sheep to get on and off the ship, are 600lbs smoking in a casino 24/7 on your mobility scooter or being crammed in a tiny ass room.

If anything should bring an end to a terrible policy like that, it's definitely covid. Don't want little Johnny to get vaccinated? Cool, send him to a private school. Want to send him to pubic school? Prove he's not a health risk to others first.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

My parents love cruises, and they sound like the seventh circle of hell to me. You honestly couldn't pay me enough to get on one of those floating death traps.

They probably wouldn't appeal to you. I sound like I am joking when I say this but I'm not. The appeal for cruises is for middle class people to feel like they're rich for a week. I have been on 4 of them. People wait on you hand and foot and cater to your every need. You eat the finest food that you wouldn't normally eat while going to all of these exotic places. People who already live that kind of lifestyle wouldn't see anything great about it. My wife and I wanted to go to Europe before we had kids because neither of us had ever been. We took a 2 week cruise all around Europe and went to 7 countries. It was probably the best time I ever had in my life. Later when my daughter was 2, we took an Alaskan cruise and it was almost as good. However, for someone who can fly to Europe whenever they want or even charter a private jet, and eat at and stay at the finest places, it probably wouldn't be very impressive. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If anything should bring an end to a terrible policy like that, it's definitely covid. Don't want little Johnny to get vaccinated? Cool, send him to a private school. Want to send him to pubic school? Prove he's not a health risk to others first.

Yeah good luck with that.  Private school could do that.  Not a public one, unless they want to dedicate a good chunk of their budget to legal fees.  Big difference in public and private.

5 minutes ago, rambo said:

Yeah good luck with that.  Private school could do that.  Not a public one, unless they want to dedicate a good chunk of their budget to legal fees.  Big difference in public and private.

It's perfectly legal, and would be deemed so now more than ever. It's no less illegal than pubic schools requiring masks to be worn like they were this year. Would all schools do it? Obviously not (for reference see South, The). But for the states and districts who now choose to require it without exception (non-medical at least), I don't see much of a concern in a legal sense.

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They probably wouldn't appeal to you. I sound like I am joking when I say this but I'm not. The appeal for cruises is for middle class people to feel like they're rich for a week. I have been on 4 of them. People wait on you hand and foot and cater to your every need. You eat the finest food that you wouldn't normally eat while going to all of these exotic places. People who already live that kind of lifestyle wouldn't see anything great about it. My wife and I wanted to go to Europe before we had kids because neither of us had ever been. We took a 2 week cruise all around Europe and went to 7 countries. It was probably the best time I ever had in my life. Later when my daughter was 2, we took an Alaskan cruise and it was almost as good. However, for someone who can fly to Europe whenever they want or even charter a private jet, and eat at and stay at the finest places, its probably wouldn't be very impressive. 

1. Is the food actually high quality? Isn't it just mass produced dreck?

2. That's what I will never get -- if I want to go to the Caribbean, I'll just fly there and stay at the Four Seasons. Why do I need to spend 7 days getting there on a floating city with people I don't want anything to do with?

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. Is the food actually high quality? Isn't it just mass produced dreck?

2. That's what I will never get -- if I want to go to the Caribbean, I'll just fly there and stay at the Four Seasons. Why do I need to spend 7 days getting there on a floating city with people I don't want anything to do with?

How about a private chartered yacht?  They made a reality TV show about one boat.  I'm semi addicted to it.

Until you've watched a bunch of fat, hairy, middle aged men compete in a belly flop competition on a cruise ship, you haven't truly lived.

1 hour ago, IFB DOG said:

Right, but you have people IN THIS THREAD calling for banning work, travel, and gathering for people who decline the vaccine.

I don't think the Orange Buffoon was the only one with aspirations for dictatorship... 

I can understand why.

You can choose to be a good human, or choose to be a filthy, disease spreading POS.

Since I value people I care about, even old ones, I prefer you not be permitted to keep offering up victims to a pandemic.

 

ALL YOU VACCINE CHICKENS SHOULD HAVE A JAMBOREE.

After the virus runs through and kills a bunch and infects you all, the survivors can come out and rejoin society.

Just now, DiPros said:

How about a private chartered yacht?  They made a reality TV show about one boat.  I'm semi addicted to it.

Below Deck?  Yeah those would be more Vikas' style - the tips they give out to the crew at the end of the week are usually in the tens of thousands.  Lots of polos to be found on board those suckers

@rambo

 

The reasons for these outbreaks were religious exemptions in New York and personal belief exemptions in California. The legislators of California and New York revoked nonmedical exemptions as a result so that they could ensure higher rates of people immunized against measles. And, guess what? The rate of measles immunizations did go up when those exemptions were removed. 

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/can-covid-19-vaccines-be-mandatory-in-the-u-s-and-who-decides.html#:~:text=The short answer is yes,to introduce a vaccine mandate.&text=If they didn't [get,pay a fine of %245.

5 minutes ago, DiPros said:

How about a private chartered yacht?  They made a reality TV show about one boat.  I'm semi addicted to it.

I've done that a few times. My wife really likes boats, but I don't. So I've chartered a yacht and had dinner cruises for the 2 of us a few times. Best experience was down in Cabo -- unreal sunset cruise, saw some whales and had dinner.

But zero interest on being on a boat for days.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. Is the food actually high quality? Isn't it just mass produced dreck?

2. That's what I will never get -- if I want to go to the Caribbean, I'll just fly there and stay at the Four Seasons. Why do I need to spend 7 days getting there on a floating city with people I don't want anything to do with?

1.  Dinners are solid.  I guess it depends on what cruise line you're on.  Most of the time you're eating a quick breakfast and getting off the ship.  Nothing spectacular.

2.  I agree.  Secrets that we have stayed at have some fantastic options for dinners all different restaurants (French, Italian, Hibachi, Seafood, Steak).  Far and away above cruise ship food.  Also have sit down options for breakfast and lunch which are all good.  Then the rooms have big jacuzzi tubs, big showers, 24/7 room service included, ocean view balcony with a jacuzzi if you want to spend a little more.  And multiple pools, some quiet, some party, ocean view, etc...  Server bringing you drinks (tip them $5 and they'll be your best friend since tips are included in the package price).  I like to be pampered when I go on a vacation.

19 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. Is the food actually high quality? Isn't it just mass produced dreck?

2. That's what I will never get -- if I want to go to the Caribbean, I'll just fly there and stay at the Four Seasons. Why do I need to spend 7 days getting there on a floating city with people I don't want anything to do with?

1. I'm a foody and I think so. Its also not all mass produced. While general dining is included they have fine dining restaurants that are small and you pay extra for. I had some Spanish prawns one time and a chateaubriand another time that were among my all time favorite meals.

2. Agreed for the Caribbean. For Europe I still think cruising was nice. I didn't have to worry about finding the next hotel when I didn't speak the language, finding a good place to eat etc. 

They  offer some cruises around the highlands of Scotland. I was thinking about that for my next one. 

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. Is the food actually high quality? Isn't it just mass produced dreck?

2. That's what I will never get -- if I want to go to the Caribbean, I'll just fly there and stay at the Four Seasons. Why do I need to spend 7 days getting there on a floating city with people I don't want anything to do with?

I wasn’t a big cruise guy until I went on two of them with my wife’s family, and they were a blast.  I think it depends on the cruise line and the destination.

We did an Alaskan cruise with Princess Cruise Line and it was phenomenal.  I want to go again.  Food was outstanding.  Entertainment was great.  And the sights were incredible.  Unlike Caribbean cruises where you’re out at sea for days with nothing around but ocean, for this you are along coast line, so you have ever changing awesome views.  Whales, otters, giant fish, and all sorts of stuff swimming along the boat.   And the excursions are awesome.  We took a helicopter to ride to a glacier (I think it was Mendenhall glacier) and got to walk along it, drink the glacier water (best damn water I’ve ever had lol).  It was really an awesome experience.  So much different than the typical carribean cruise.