April 18, 20214 yr https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/04/nj-man-on-ventilator-after-receiving-jj-vaccine-report-says.html Like I have said only a very small % of the 77 million have been exposed to the virus so we do not know how effective the vaccines are, if only 10,000 have been exposed then that is not very good having 5800 breakthrough cases
April 18, 20214 yr Insurance companies should be able to charge people who are overweight more. And smokers. And people who drink too much. And morons who refuse to get the vaccine. I pay more for your unhealthy choices because of risk pools. You’re free to be a fat, poor moron. You’re not allowed to make me pay for it.
April 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: Insurance companies should be able to charge people who are overweight more. And smokers. And people who drink too much. And morons who refuse to get the vaccine. I pay more for your unhealthy choices because of risk pools. You’re free to be a fat, poor moron. You’re not allowed to make me pay for it.
April 19, 20214 yr As feared there will be no way to get enough people vaccinated without forcing them in some way https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/covid-vaccine-slowing-us-demand/index.html
April 19, 20214 yr I just had to nuke roughly 2 pages of this thread. Knock off the personal attacks.
April 19, 20214 yr Kind of surprising there hasn't been another blood clot reported since the pause. You'd think there'd be at least one more over the course of 1 week.
April 19, 20214 yr 41 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Kind of surprising there hasn't been another blood clot reported since the pause. You'd think there'd be at least one more over the course of 1 week. Has the AstraZeneca vaccine been approved in the US? They just lowered the age from 55 to 40 here for eligibility. I still miss by a couple of years. I'm pretty sure the occurrence rate for blood clots so far with AZ has been 1 in a million compared to 1 in a thousand people who get clots due to Covid, but that won't stop people from fear mongering.
April 19, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said: Has the AstraZeneca vaccine been approved in the US? They just lowered the age from 55 to 40 here for eligibility. I still miss by a couple of years. I'm pretty sure the occurrence rate for blood clots so far with AZ has been 1 in a million compared to 1 in a thousand people who get clots due to Covid, but that won't stop people from fear mongering. AstraZeneca won't be approved here. It's crazy because people don't think twice about other medications but suddenly this is unacceptable. We'll see how much the government's tune changes when these vaccines are still needed years from now and the mRNA vaccines are too expensive.
April 19, 20214 yr COVID accounts for more blood clots then vaccine. https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/04/study-similar-rate-of-blood-clots-after-pfizer-astrazeneca-shots/
April 19, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Moderator12 said: I just had to nuke roughly 2 pages of this thread. Knock off the personal attacks. Only this thread?
April 19, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said: COVID accounts for more blood clots then vaccine. https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/04/study-similar-rate-of-blood-clots-after-pfizer-astrazeneca-shots/ Lots of things account for more blood clots. They should have gotten the word out to doctors on how to treat this and kept giving the vaccine. This has done so much irreparable damage.
April 19, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Lots of things account for more blood clots. They should have gotten the word out to doctors on how to treat this and kept giving the vaccine. This has done so much irreparable damage. Absolutely agree with you! And ultimately the media are just reporting the negative message (as always) rather than promoting that the good far outweighs the bad.
April 19, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Absolutely agree with you! And ultimately the media are just reporting the negative message (as always) rather than promoting that the good far outweighs the bad. I have to imagine most people aren't going to want it now.
April 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: Only this thread? I assume he got bored after reading two pages of this thread and gave up. Or his hand started cramping just thinking of all the threads that would need to be cleaned up.
April 19, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I have to imagine most people aren't going to want it now. It was remarkably stupid to fully pull the J&J vaccine over so few incidents, but I have to think people impacted by this were likely not getting the vaccine to begin with. The bigger issue to me is the CDC's insane guidance on guidelines for those that are vaccinated. The CDC head seems to be an epic disaster. Telling people they still need masks, distancing, eating outdoors -- you need to incentivize those who are skeptical to get the vaccine. Saying nothing will be different is just insane and counter productive. Zero cases isn't a realistic goal.
April 19, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: It was remarkably stupid to fully pull the J&J vaccine over so few incidents, but I have to think people impacted by this were likely not getting the vaccine to begin with. The bigger issue to me is the CDC's insane guidance on guidelines for those that are vaccinated. The CDC head seems to be an epic disaster. Telling people they still need masks, distancing, eating outdoors -- you need to incentivize those who are skeptical to get the vaccine. Saying nothing will be different is just insane and counter productive. Zero cases isn't a realistic goal. I don't think they should have paused the vaccine. They should have been transparent about what they're seeing early on, but shown comparative numbers that make it very clear that the risk of blood clots is significantly greater if you contract COVID. I would have been perfectly fine if they said "we've seen a very small number of people who got the vaccine develop blood clots - less than one in a million - and in the interest of due diligence we are investigating whether there is any link." something like that. as you said, it just gives the moron anti-vaxxers more ammo. part of the problem is a lot of these people are scientists at heart. they're not politicians; they're used to navigating nuance and unknowns, and in their language they hesitate to state concrete things when there is still a lot we don't know. for anybody with some brain cells to rub together you can parse that fine, but the mass of stupidity in this country that latches on to any perceived inconsistency as evidence of fraud is going to eat that up.
April 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: Only this thread? Is there another thread where someone is accusing people of being pedo's and beating kids?
April 19, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Moderator12 said: Is there another thread where someone is accusing people of being pedo's and beating kids? Ummm probably? Dang - now I'm mad I missed all that
April 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: Only this thread? I miss all the good stuff when I am away for the weekend.
April 19, 20214 yr Just now, mikemack8 said: Ummm probably? Dang - now I'm mad I missed all that Just now, downundermike said: I miss all the good stuff when I am away for the weekend. Honestly, you didn't really miss much. The pedo comments weren't even acknowledged. Don't really recall the "beating kids" comment.
April 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: Someone must have reported someone else Wonder who that could have been.
April 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: I have to imagine most people aren't going to want it now. Oh absolutely but I still think thats crazy. The benefits far outweigh the minimal risk.
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